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[동방신기] Dbsk, Tvxq, Thsk Official Thread 4 We stand by you.

#14841 User is offline   AnthonyKkoKko 

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 06:51 PM

QUOTE (j.adore @ Aug 2 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm at work so I can't go into depth.

But the article basically stated that they worked for the whole year with like 1 week break during the year and got only 3-4 hrs of sleep per day.
It states issues with the ridiculous contract and such.
It also states that they do NOT want the team to break up and they did not mean for this issue to lead to the team's breaking up. There is no problem in the relationship between the members and all 5 members agree that they want to keep the promise to their fans to be together.

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I'll translate the article in about an hour when I get done with the assignment im working on at the moment



j.adore!

it's nice to see somebody that's down-to-earth in this time of crisis. smile.gif


anyways....

SNSD also gets 3-4 hours of sleep a day, and probably other artists too.

jessica said it from her own gorjess lips!

i hope the rest of SMtown will join the law-suit. if they do that, then SM's whole company will be at stake, and they can't risk losing their jobs and all that money. so then they'll have to be fair. smile.gif

SMtown: If you're not fair, we all quit!!
lee soo man: no! without my artists, i'm going to be broke and i'll have nothing!
SMtown: so be fair then. and give us sleep and good food. jessica dislikes cucumbers, melons, and lemons, so don't give us any of that.
lee soo man: ok, ok! i promise i'll be fair!

i hope that'll happen....


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Posted 02 August 2009 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE (j.adore @ Aug 3 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm at work so I can't go into depth.

But the article basically stated that they worked for the whole year with like 1 week break during the year and got only 3-4 hrs of sleep per day.
It states issues with the ridiculous contract and such.
It also states that they do NOT want the team to break up and they did not mean for this issue to lead to the team's breaking up. There is no problem in the relationship between the members and all 5 members agree that they want to keep the promise to their fans to be together.

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I'll translate the article in about an hour when I get done with the assignment im working on at the moment


Thank so much for your rough translation. At least it gives us some glimpse of good news (and i'm sure it's good news)...


If this circumstance is the strong they're facing...I'm sure they'll get through safe and sound....They're not flying alone since they have us as the wings beneath their wings...We'll forever and ever support them...

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ALWAYS KEEP THE FAITH!!!

Thank you, sorry (but that's absolutely alright) and love you too, DBSK!!!


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Posted 02 August 2009 - 06:54 PM

DBSK Hero, Micky and Xiah’s official stand about their discord with SM
by sookyeong @ Kbites


Someone beat me.



Now seems the rumour about SM being harsh is really true. (Since HOT and Shinhwa)
I cant really think straight right now. Im too shocked about the news.

But im praying that this will be resolve as soon as possible!


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#14844 User is offline   rika90 

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 06:55 PM

I got my korean frd to translate the article here
http://www.asiae.co.kr/news/view.htm?idxno...080310585440443

- the three members said they weren't treated adequately
- since 2004, they only slept for 3 ~ 4 hrs
- their contract is 13 years and if they were to end it, they would have to pay sm back (3x)
- each member earned 0.4~1% of the earnings of each album
- the members tried to discuss the issue with SM, but SM did not listen and kept mentioning the cosmetic business
- the cosmetic business has nothing to do with the contract
- the members do not want to be separated
- they just want to be treated more fairly

sorry for the rough translation, please don't take it out without permission, Thank you.
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#14845 User is offline   kashmier 

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 06:55 PM

oh no SM is so evil and so corrupt. mad.gif

how can they do this to dbsk.

i hope SM would suffer from this, they literally exploit the members.
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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:00 PM

I only posted here once before but after I read that article I had to say something.
OMG I feel so sorry for DBSK,god they are HUMAN and to be treated like that is just wow.
I can't believe it,I'm glad they're standing up for themselves.I feel for the fans too):
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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:00 PM

i don't think they are going to disband. i just think they want SM to change certain details or conditions on their contract that's all. Well. HAVE FAITH.

And SM should really change the way they treat their artists. pay them more. give them the rest they need and not squeeze them dry like a sponge.
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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:01 PM

This is the translation of the first 5 points!

1. 5 years after their debut, the three members are physically and emotionally fatigued from the company’s one-sided orders.
-Kim Junsu, Kim Jaejoong, and Park Yoochun debuted as DBSK members in 2004. Since then, they have followed SM’s orders to go from Korea, Japan, to China. With the exception of 1 week for year, they were only able to get 3-4 hours of sleep and had to go through schedules. During this period, the health of the three members deteriorated and they were mentally fatigued. However, SM pushed DBSK into foreign markets which resulted in excess performance plans. In result, the three members felt that they would not be able to achieve their dreams in SM and would be just tools for the company’s profit. They wished to participate in entertainment activities according to their individual visions.

2.In reality, 13 years of contract meant a contract for life.
-According to the contract, the period of the contract was 13 years, but when including military service, would exceed over 15 years. This meant that there was still 10 years to go with the current contract and in reality, meant until retirement. In the instance that the contract would be breached, the penalty would be to pay 3 times the total investment, 2 times the lost earnings. Even in the case that the contract is canceled when agreed by both parties, the members were required to pay penalty. Therefore, due to the millions of wons required by the contract upon cancellation, contract cancellation was realistically impossible and the members had no choice but to remain in SM

3. The members did not receive adequate treatment from SM for their efforts.
-Despite all this, during the duration of their contract, they did not receive adequate treatment from SM. They did not receive any earnest money from the contract, and according to the initial contract for album profit allotment clause, only when an album sold 500,000 copies, could they get $10,000 per member for the next album, and when albums sold less than 500,000 copies, the members could not receive any earnings. This clause was revised in 2009, February 6th, but even after the revision, earnings that each member would receive for the album sales were 0.4%-1% depending on the album sales.

4. The members requested for corrections to the unreasonable contract, but SM did not listen to the member’s opinions.
-In this situation, the three members pointed out the unreasonable parts in the contract and asked multiple times to be freed from the contract’s boundary and work according to their visions but in response to the current situation, SM discussed issues dealing with their investments in the makeup company, not responding to the true nature of the problem. Despite all this, the three members wanted to find a way to deal with the situation and requested for a conference where both parties could find a solution but SM did not respond. During this process, by the attitudes shown by SM, the three members realized that there was no point in hoping for a settlement and resorted to the court of justice to execute a solution for the problems.

5. The investment in makeup company does not have any relation to entertainment activities and does not have any relation to the applied provisional disposition. The nature of this incident is the contract.
-SM stated that the disposition was submitted due to the investment but the members’ investments in the makeup company do not have anything to do with the provisional disposition. The makeup company SM discussed planned to export to China, and the three members invested as stockholders, having no relation with their entertainment activities. Just by common sense, it does not make sense that the members would give up all their efforts and results as DBSK in order to invest $100,000 to the company. The core of the problems presented by the members is contract injustice, and SM’s attempts to blur the true problems by bring up the investments must stop now.

6. The members do not want DBSK to break up and just hope to free themselves from contract restraints.
-May fans are worried that the disposition would result in DBSK’s break up. However, this disposition was not intended for DBSK to end. Right now, due to differences in how the members wish to overcome problems, only 3 members have participated in the lawsuit. However, there is no problems within the members and they all have the same wishes to keep their promises with their fans to always remain as one. After this incident, if contract injustice is corrected and the members are given conditions to freely perform their music, they feel that everyone can be one and can stand in front of fans as one.
7. We will take this as an opportunity to mature.
-The members realize how much DBSK fans must be surprised and be disappointed about this incident and are distressed and sorry. If the fans could think of this as a jump to bigger dreams and continue to cheer, the members promise to respond to the fans as better musicians.



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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:01 PM

wow this thread moves really fast cause of this big problem with the boys
never would have thought that SM would be that bad sad.gif
im so hoping that the boys will be able to get a win from this SM war or w/e it is atm
im pretty sure SM will have to give into the boys
if u think about it
they wouldnt be half as good without the boys
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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:02 PM

QUOTE (infatuated @ Aug 3 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
sm ent., you ass.


You took the words out of my mouth.

Every DBSK fans will know they are overworked. The 13 year contract is a bit ridiculous too. They literally will be with them til they are 35?

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:03 PM

it's make or break time. i'm hoping things will turn out for the best!

i'm surprised with the points declared on that one article above, though...

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some of it says: (very loosely translated...)

they don't receive proper treatment.
the members can give their corrections on the unjust demands of the contracts but SME does not listen to the opinions of the members.
the cosmetics company is unrelated to their entertainment contract and is just a financial investment
the members do not want to dissolve the group, only to the bond of their unfair contract
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"You have your way. I have my way.
As for the right way, the correct way,
and the only way, it does not exist."
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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:04 PM

SME how can you treat our boys like that!!
WHAT THE HECK!!
i thank you for giving us dbsk and and training them and all that,
but WTH is if they dont sell more then 500K in album sales they dont get money for their next album??
im so freaking mad right now! i cant even type right!
and 3 to 4 hours of sleep a day?
i need to calm down *fans self*

Im mad!


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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:04 PM

is there any news on the outcome of the incident?

so dbsk has to live the rest of their lives under that ridiculous contract? really hope that SM could gather some senses, and change their contract and the rest of the artists under SM too...
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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:05 PM

QUOTE (rika90 @ Aug 3 2009, 04:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got my korean frd to translate the article here
http://www.asiae.co.kr/news/view.htm?idxno...080310585440443

- the three members said they weren't treated adequately


AHAH i want to die coz I was translating at the same time!! lol
From this article actually

090803 Newsen:
A 13 years contract is a contrat for life


full article here: www.newsen.com

The situation of the three members

> Health: Since overseas expansion plan, the mental and the physical health of the members decreased as SM doesn't have the same vision of entertainment than the artist (they see only revenue side).
> Long term contract: It says that the term of the contract is excessive and not reasonable. It doesn't include the military service period, which means that it's actually a contract for 15 years.
> No proper treatment (please someone confirm my translation on this): they don't receive revenues from albums sales until they reach a fixed number/rate and after it's done, the shares fluctuate
> The three members already tried to negociate their contracts but SM didn't listen to them (so i guess that's why they are on court now)
> Cosmetics business investments unrelated to the entertainment and financial investment has nothing to do with the application for the injunction
> The members don't want to disband and stay united
> This is the occasion for them to grew up and they are asking for support
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@infatueted: thanks i just saw your post, and i had the confirmation i wanted about the revenue!

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Post icon  Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:06 PM

I think its kinda confusing rt now...cuz i've juz read some more articles around abt the bois' replies...n well im feelin bad...i juz hope that at the end, they would say that TVXQ wont disband and they wanna stay tgether as long as they can, which means they r not havin conflicts rt now....Praying this will b solved well....mah heart doesnt wanna take any more hurtful things...SM should hav treated the bois better...it hurts to see them suffer...now even when i got the bois' replies, mah mind is still rly confused n things seem to b pretty much...well confusing...sad.gif
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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:06 PM

wait the 13 year contract was signed this year rite?
wow 34 and 35
i guess that is pretty old
there is no doubt that the boys will get a better deal
maybe like a 5 year contract will be like good
SM Ent messed up big by making a "slave contract" with the boys
everyone just stand together and support the boys still
they will never fall apart of course they will always be DBSK smile.gif
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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:06 PM

More details on the TVXQ Press conference:

http://www.allkpop.com/index.php/full_stor...ess_conference/
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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:07 PM

QUOTE (infatuated @ Aug 2 2009, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DBSK Hero, Micky and Xiah’s official stand about their discord with SM

The 5 years period after they debuted, the 3 of them felt that their minds and their bodies are tired having to follow the tight schedule that the company put up unilaterally.”

They get only 3-4 hours of sleep a day to do our schedule.”

Also, “In the process the health of the 3 members are very much deteriorated, they are also suffering from mental fatigue

hence in reality there is no way out but to be tied down to SM because of the contract.”

Also, “The members did not receive the right treatment even from SM. Without getting any contract fees, the initial contract was that if their album sells more than 500K copies, each member will get about 10 million KRW during the next album release. If they sell less than 500K copies of album, they will get nothing.”


This is so .... unbelievable
3 , 4 hours to sleep??? Of course they are sick, not only physically, how you can live like that?
They are tied with SM , their productive and younger years that's it.
You get nothing if you don't sell enough albums?? WTF!!

This is so, so unfair.

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:07 PM

SM ent. is ridiculous if all of the points stated about their contract are true.

13 years + the years they're going to be in the army? That basically means they'll never be able to leave SM

and what is that whole mess about HAVING to sell 500K? I'm shocked the guys never told us - can you believe it? If we didn't all help them get past 500K with Mirotic last time - that basically would have meant all their hard work was for nothing. And they don't even get the money until the next album?? Wth? I don't get it.

Unfair is unfair - I'm glad they took this to court then.

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About the Always Keep The Faith Vid Project - i totally love the idea =] i'm glad that there is a way for DBSK to know that they have fans all across the world supporting them in their cause. That they're not alone.

And I loved the audio from GOESS's 2nd Anniversary vid with them saying hello in different languages <3

Thank you to those who set this up


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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:09 PM

I'm a silent reader but I was shocked at what happened. I want them to win the lawsuit against SM. If there's any group that they can go head against head with SM, it's DBSK. I know some of you are SM fans, but not me, I've always hated SM...not SM artists but Lee Soo Man himself. It's time this guy learnt his lession.

They didn't tell whether they will be disbanded but I'm more positive that they will not. And I may sound corny, Cassies be strong. Fight through this, have faith in the guys. I want them to win in this case..they have the right to fight for this.
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