Wow. I'm surprised people actually read that chunk of venting rant. Now I feel somewhat compelled to give feedback to those who took time to read/justify myself.
My sincere apologies if this ends up being really spammy... *yum spam... -.-||* I also apologize for cutting people's posts...
QUOTE (Smelly Tofu @ Apr 16 2008, 03:23 AM)
heheh sorry can't help but notice your post...let me be one of the first to reply
First of all, thanks, I try not to get caught in the waves in this thread... but I guess i'm sort of being hypocritical starting a little spam rift myself. -.-
as for the rest of the post. I'm not against fawning and obsessing over DBSK at all, i do it all the time, but with the full realization that whatever footage that i deem fangasm worthy is unlikely to be so for others. To the rest of the world, those are just some footage normal men, not different from billions of other celebrity material out there. DBSK is only great because of my biased view. Its non-debatable that all fans are biased, its precisely what makes us fans. But being able to realize it and being able to see from other's point of view too makes the difference.
I'm against smoking too, and I'd really rather Joongie to not smoke because i care for his health. But in the only convincing footage of Joongie smoking, he also looked extremely tired and stressed. While all the comments i see are "why is jaejoong smoking?!" "NOOO I don't want jae to smoke" "i'm disappointed in him..." etc. I can't help but to think, obviously he can't be a chain smoker due to his life style. If he makes a personal choice to have couple of cigarettes to help him get over whatever stress life has brought him, what right do we have to deny him it?
QUOTE (RedSunset @ Apr 16 2008, 05:36 AM)
Hi. I noticed your post and just had to reply to it.
I see your point. And i understand i made a mistake in phrasing my words in such way that might wrongly judged other fans' reason for liking DBSK. I didn't ask those questions in any negative way though, if it offended anyone. apologies if they came out that way in context. I just wanted fans to be overall more reflective of why they are being a fan and the purpose of this obsession, instead of just fandomizing blindly... afterall, we're spending such a big part of our life doing it right?
and i sense that you really got what i'm trying to say, which I'm really thankful for.
and for the girl, I feel for her misfortune and I have nothing against her as a person. But isn't what she does is a bit over the top? what i do have against is people thinking she is the model of what a good fan is. I just wanted to point out "No, what she does is not right, and no, this is not positive publicity, its misleading, don't encourage it."
QUOTE (a.p.r.i.l @ Apr 16 2008, 08:30 AM)
beautiful insight..
i agree with most of this..
lol... I do almost forget sometimes. Thanks.
QUOTE (louchris @ Apr 16 2008, 08:02 PM)
you know what? i agree with you.
Like what I said in my reply to the top most comment, I feel for her misfortune and i have nothing against her as a person. I'm just stating some things shouldn't be encourage and being a fanatical fan is one of them. Maniac fan might've been a too hard of a word choice depending on personal interpretation of the word, i apologize for that. but from my view i think it served its point.
I've contemplated debating this but thought it might offend a lot people, since i'm already on this topic I might as well throw it out... Once again, i'm not attacking her as a individual. *sigh..* From what i gathered through research in ethics class, waking up from long term coma is nearly impossible, (rare enough for debates of legal euthanasia to be considered in such cases) By some insane miracle that it did happen, It's many times more likely to be from a mis-diagnosis, good care, or mere coincidence. Its very likely that this girl, being such a big fan, decided to contributed her medical miracle to DBSK. As much as I would like to believe DBSK's music gave this fan another chance at life, it just seemed too convenient that everything played out in the most theatrical way possible that would get most publicity. However, as all ways, I will leave her the benefit of the doubt and leave the decision to other medical professionals.
QUOTE (stripesoflove @ Apr 16 2008, 07:14 AM)
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Solusnoir;; i read it all!
*highfives*
Yay. *high fives back* i shall eat you anyways because you're yummy~ *eats you*
maniac might've been too harsh of a word according to all the objection to it -.-||, i guess it depends on individual's interpretations? I get called a maniac occasionally and i feel no negative connotations to it... though in this case i do feel it served its purpose.
and my bad for asking all those questions in a way that made them sound like bad thing too.. (refer to my reply to smelly tofu on top)
I see your point, and i like your way of non-offensive persuasion. Haha, your choice of words are really making me resonate with your views. XD
about our views of DBSK, I was thinking, even though we see this wonderful image they've built up, should we still assume them to be no better than any other average guy? Because they've chosen to only show their best sides... some might even be fabricated. (or accentuated.. for a better word. of course i believe DBSK tries to be as honest as possible) I find myself consciously controlling my obsession when it gets to a point where i idolize them, because i have a fear of losing my footing in reality... I still fangirl over them all the time, it's the best part of being a fan XD, but i've also thought of this imaginary private life where they lounge around the couch in unsightly poses after coming home from work and do things normal college guys would do but most girls would find atrocious. It is kind of an odd thing to think about... does anyone else do the same?... I also try to be as acceptant to anything possible because Jaejoong once said, rather than a love that's intense but short lived, he wants a love that's small but last a long time. I thought if I can take in as much of their flaw as possible now, my passion for them won't burn out in a short amount of time, so i can keep loving them year after year... Is this an immature way of thinking? It seems like it sometimes.... er, Sorry for that really off the topic introspective moment there.... I loose track of my thoughts sometimes too.. (kind of like joongie... )
QUOTE (clicheterms @ Apr 16 2008, 10:05 PM)
or that her asking for a new album was an inside joke. it'll put me more at ease.
Haha, good one, I hadn't thought of that. If that's the case i give her props on making the inside joke of the year. XD
Your words rule. And regardless of what goes through this place, Soompi's a pretty kickass place too.
QUOTE (corazoncomplicando @ Apr 17 2008, 11:31 AM)
sorry for cutting your post. .. i think that in this thread people are scared to say what is really on their minds due to the adverse effects.
thanks. good to know that there are people that doesn't mind a bit of opinionated discussion. Voicing out opinion is good, but getting offended too easily is bad.... right? (because you can never be too sure where to be opinionated and where to be politically correct sometimes XD....) I love getting objections to my views but I hate it when people get all butt hurt about it.
What gets me irritated in fandoms are the mob psychology in them. Luckily Soompi is a very diverse place full of people from different cultures and has a broad range of minds. Oppose to publicly open but non-diverse sites such baidu, where saying anything that does not have to do with rainbows and butterflies will get you nailed by countless angry mobs from unknown directions. Knowing full well that sitting myself in a environment where the norm shifts due to social psychology, I still end up getting caught in it and in time, finding myself saying things that i can only now reply with WTF?
so yeah.. voicing out opinions=good. Soompi is a good place :3
And lastly, yes i'm an opinionated person but also much of a lurker. I'm surprised people would actually read the stuff i write and generate positive feed back. Sorry if i missed anyone's reply.
Once again, sorry for the spammage.
now back to fangirling.. Wow, DBSK has really good taste in fashion, even women's fashion. hehe, I just know unconsciously I (and every other jae fan) am going to dress according to Jae's taste now...
OMG hey3 subs are out! Gospellers/DBSK interaction is <3 Its good to know they are making friends with a lot of Japanese artists~
..............those joongie pics from Kera is absolutely orgasmic........ joongie i believe you've successfully convinced every human being alive to feel the need to have your love child.
and er... hope this is not a forbidden topic...
even though i was also shed tears when kay left, and the new info on her really shocked me. Taking into how much she/he contributed to the fandom, all those vids i watched from her, insightful posts by her, i gotta say her/his past actions well made up for it. whatever intent he had in doing such a thing, its undeniable he took effort to be helpful to other fans and I'm still thankful for the contributions. I believe my emotion towards her departure comes secondary since i didn't actually loose anything, neither did anyone else since according to this, no one actually knew her in real life.
like purple line? one of the best parts was the beginning but they chopped it all off >.< anyways, do you know if HB will be broadcasted on tv?
I'm glad the boys are looking more healthy!
lol.
soo hilarious..!!
|| so embarrassed...
