This will most likely be the only time I ever post in this thread, so I might as well say what i want.
One thing about the whole ONLY13 v.s PRO-SujuM is that alot of people on both sides aren't being open minded.
I am a ONLY13 member, I do support Suju-M;ONLY5. But I still keep an open mind toward the Suju-M/Henry/ZhouMi supporters.
I accept the fact that not everyone is going to support 13. I try my best to understand where non-13 supporters are coming from.
Sure, why should we be so angry at SM? i mean, he's only exposing Suju to China. And sure, 13's already big why not throw two other guys in it and it'll all be dandy with even more guys to fan girl over.
But we ONLY13 supports have our own reasons as to why we are only13.
And unless other people are not going to be open minded and try to understand where we're coming from, it'll never truly be understood why we stand by ELF & ONLY13.
And I don't see the point in arguing with other people who aren't going to even try to understand and think the entire world is going to run on their one-way street.
And funny thing is, I've met some ONLY13 supporters who didn't support ONLY13 for Super Junior, but were supporting it in an attempt to see Henry out of Super Junior and maybe even as a soloist or in a new original group. I don't know anything about Zhou Mi or Henry, but I give them a limit of respect. To be a trainee and to make it into SM must have been damn hard. And they deserve respect for that. If I get quoted by someone and replied to, most likely they're not going to understand what I'm trying to say. Simpler words may be needed, but oh well. I don't think I can do that.



And apparently, opinions are being banned on Soompi.
Oooh. A page top. How lucky.

I know! Thats what makes Henry so interesting at least to me. That guy is like a box of suprises. I mean his singing must be really something to be debuting just like that. His violin skills, the dancing, I'm just so curious. And he's the youngest one in the group. How cute. I'm loving him more and more

Lol, if time would just go by faster, I just want it to be April 8th already. I'm gonna watch that MV over and over.

But I'll admit, Zhoumi is getting me to. Like you guys said, his confidence and that fact both him and Henry can get on that stage knowing that they have anti's is like -wow- they have guts and the talent to pull it off.

^ I think I remember my friend saying that Henry is really good at singing too.

If you compare those two well yeah. Don't don thrust are was extremer. U=Kindergartener, Dondon=Highschooler

Aren't we all.

There's always extremists in every side of a polarizing matter. Nothing anyone can do about it. just have to try to take it with humor.

Wow Zhoumi is a few weeks younger than siwon. He looks a bit older. Although i expected him to be younger (87er/88er) for some reason.

LOL zhoumi's English is so bad, that it's cute
his voice isn't very strong, but he has a nice tone

I love all the sarcasm. it's great.

Wow I really love his voice there! So beautiful!!
Sure the pronunciation was a little off but it was kind of endearing. (to me at least)
Not like he has any reason to be perfectly fluent in english either~
I can't wait to hear him sing moreeee!
Thanks for sharing the translation, too. ^^

What I meant about "The Game" was the circumstances in which all of this is happening. I see so many people blaming and bashing Henry and Zhoumi for something they have no control over. People are passing judgment before they even debut and I think that sad. A lot of ONLY13 or Anti-SJM people are making it sound as if Henry and Zhoumi forced LSM to put them in the group. If you understand how the music business works, you'd know that they have signed a legal document known as a contract which legally binds them to SM Entertainment. I am assuming under the legal document they have no say in which direction their careers are going right now.

"The Players" are the members of SJM, Super Junior, and also the fans. The LSM and company are like the referees and the commissioner of the league and he has all the control and everyone else is playing by his rules. I'm just saying don't hate on those that don't have any power because they can't change anything that's going on right now. It's not about ONLY13 fans against SJM supporters because that's not what is important right now. So don't get my words twist, Alright?

I just wished people wouldn't be so closed minded and just gave them a chance to show us what they've got. I know none of you would like it if someone passed judgment on you before they even had the chance to meet you. All I'm saying is give them a chance because you might be missing on something special. If we did that maybe there wouldn't be so much animosity.


Your "Don't go blaming me when somebody dies in his sleep." comment is creepy and disturbing. You should really think about what you say sometimes because all it does is make people think there's somethings wrong with you. Death isn't something to joke around about especially when you are implying MURDER, which I hope you are not hoping for any harm to be done to any of the members of SJM because I'm starting to question your morals. As a fan, even if you may not agree with something don't wish harm on others. At the end of the day were all human beings, well most of us are.

*treads through the arguments carefully* I'm just here to show some support for my 5 boys!
Loving their new looks!!
Geng looks super hot with his leather jacket, he definitely has the whole bad boy vibe going..and how
Siwon don't know how I feel about the hair just yet but I'm looking forward to hearing more of his voice.. he underestimates his own singing potential but i love it... plus I wonder if he's going to do that hand move after his line lol.. I remember how all the boys were imitating him in Full House!
DongHae my love..i'm going to be in EunHae<3 withdrawal but his picture is so cute- i spy a little forHAEd!!!..ha! and his shoes remind me of Hyuk !!
Also, is he going to be the main Rapper?!?
KyuMangnae..looks so charismatic!his classic slouchy pose...the boy is all man now..but he's all yours 13!La'MISS:fairy However, his amazing voice needs to be shared with the whole wide world..i've never heard anything more soothing than when he sang Dahlpengee<3
RyeoWookie ilu..why are you so cute?!?! i love his style and his pose...ohh...and its been a while since I've seen his signature shoulder move

Im going to ignore all this DRAMA (if i can call it that)
Because I myself is a supporter of ONLY13 and SJ-M;
but like lilcece said; im still a lil bit confused;


He's a good singer; lol.
when he's performing on stage; his looks catches yours ;or maybe just mine; ATTENTION;
rofl;



lmao; his pronounciation isnt really that perfect;
but HEY! atleast he tried; -keke-

Can we all make this thread LIVELY with more HAPPY COMMENTS? =)

Wow, I have such a big headache scrolling past all these arguments.

If you dont like what you see, please just scroll down and dont bother reading it.

Let people express their opinions but if it gets way out of hand, report it to the mod. Both ONLY 13 supporters
along with SUJU-M supporters are stubborn. This argument isnt going no where. Do you guys really want to see
this thread get closed down? >__>

QUOTE (Panda17 @ Apr 6 2008, 06:39 PM)

Agreed.

The dance for U MV should be different than the Korean one, right? Well, I hope so, and a lil hip thrust would be mad sexy too.

Puahhaa. Hankyung does very... very sexy hip thrusts ;D

are they dancing at an airport in the caps? lol


hae's pose just screams rape me

and i shall.

Ah, OK. I didn't know that you can do that keke.
I'm a suju listener but i'm not a total SuJu fan so this whole 13 and SJ-M thing is none of my concern.
as long as it's great music i'm ok

cute ryeowook.

^ Is it just me or does Ryeowook's hand gesture seem... awkward? o_O And the shoes make him look so
puny ... Hahha its like almost the size of his face, hahahhaa.

Aah~ I really think Ryeowook look nice~. The others too, like Henry~, they look good too~<3. ^__^

Aah~, I really wish that Henry and Zhou Mi could have debuted elsewhere for their own sakes, lol. But I'm willing to cheer them all the way unless SJM's music really sucks. XD; But even then, their personalities will probably make up for it.

[The Zhou Mi rumors... I'll see if they're true myself. But I like his voice already even if his english completely fails. Now only Henry's voice is left to check out. ^^]



Feel free to hotlink? I'll just reup, but I'm sure it won't come to that? XD

[As a person, please treat him kindly? XD; If he proves to be a jerk, then of course, who can argue against facts~? Let's wait until then? lol, I'm terrified of many of you~]

LOL I don't notice that (his shoe is almost the size of his face). Overall I think he have the best pose and the cutest. He just stands out.

I just hope SJM will be a success and I can't wait to see the MV. Wonder who will do the rapping part since Eunhyuk and Kibum won't be doing it.

Probably Donghae...???

why does ryeowook shoes look so big on him?? o.O i dunno if it's the color of the shoe w/ the background color of the pic, but it makes him look really small..teehee


i love all their outfits for suju-m!! but henry's trousers looks a lil weir don him..or is that me??

Lol, I was just about to post the Zhoumi and Ryeowook pics but they are already posted.

Thanks YnNhiTrn for Zhoumi's pic. Personally, I thought he looked the best out of all. Ryeowook looks cute himself too.

Zhoumi: How's everyone? I am SJ-M's Zhoumi. Since i am chinese, i am very happy to introduce myself to my country. I will try my hardest, i hope everyone will like me.







Ryeowook: how's everyone doing? i'm SJ-M's Ryeowook

just at the thought of debuting in china as a SJ-M member makes me very excited
Hello chinese fans!.. we'll be seeing each other on April the 8th~



pictures credit as tagged

Super HOT.
I love Hae. I drool over him, and I must add that I love his shoes. LOL.
I love RyeoWook and Henry's poses. Kinda awkward but hot. Hahah.
I really can't wait for their debut. OMG. Henry, you're so young.

Thanks so much 5imply_5wt! Lol, I've been saying that a lot, yay close up pics. And thanks for the translations.

Yay! Finally, there all here.

Now we just have to wait for the MV tomorrow!

Zhoumi's message makes me really happy and hopeful. I'm dying to hear him sing already.

ah, ryeowook looks so way too cute<3
i'm loving the huge shoes. & the pose.

zhoumi's looking nice too (:
he really does look a lot like siwon o_o

I think in pictures he resemble SiWon VERY much... but when you see videos of him he really doesnt look
like him at all. Slight similarities but not alot.



I highly doubt Donghae will do it... They will probably pick the members who are most fluent in
Mandarin to rap. Mandarin itself is a very hard language and imagine rapping in the language... >__>
I wouldnt mind the original boys doing it but I see more of the fluent Mandarin speakers doing it such
as Henry/Zhoumi/or atleast Hankyung and maybe Siwon rapping. ^^ (oh wow, SIWON RAPPING
WOULD BE SO AWESOME...)

he makes me so hopeful.

and he's perfect. i'm not sure about the shoes either, hahaha. OHWELL;

QUOTE (ohmygee(= @ Apr 6 2008, 06:15 PM)

This will most likely be the only time I ever post in this thread, so I might as well say what i want.
One thing about the whole ONLY13 v.s PRO-SujuM is that alot of people on both sides aren't being open minded.
I am a ONLY13 member, I do support Suju-M;ONLY5. But I still keep an open mind toward the Suju-M/Henry/ZhouMi supporters.
I accept the fact that not everyone is going to support 13. I try my best to understand where non-13 supporters are coming from.
Sure, why should we be so angry at SM? i mean, he's only exposing Suju to China. And sure, 13's already big why not throw two other guys in it and it'll all be dandy with even more guys to fan girl over.
But we ONLY13 supports have our own reasons as to why we are only13.
And unless other people are not going to be open minded and try to understand where we're coming from, it'll never truly be understood why we stand by ELF & ONLY13.
And I don't see the point in arguing with other people who aren't going to even try to understand and think the entire world is going to run on their one-way street.
And funny thing is, I've met some ONLY13 supporters who didn't support ONLY13 for Super Junior, but were supporting it in an attempt to see Henry out of Super Junior and maybe even as a soloist or in a new original group. I don't know anything about Zhou Mi or Henry, but I give them a limit of respect. To be a trainee and to make it into SM must have been damn hard. And they deserve respect for that. If I get quoted by someone and replied to, most likely they're not going to understand what I'm trying to say. Simpler words may be needed, but oh well. I don't think I can do that.

Alright soo. I'm going to reply to your post, and as far as I know, I do understand what you wrote, unless you have some crazy hidden meaning or something where we have to "read between the lines". Which I doubt. So whatever.

Anyways, I'd just like to say, that I do agree on some of your points. I agree that both sides [Pro-SuJu M vs. ONLY13] of this seem to not be able to be a bit open-minded about each others position on this. I can see why you ONLY13'ers may be against the idea of having Henry and Zhou Mi in the group. Super Junior has been just 13 members pretty much since they had their debut, and to add two more members in this much longer after their debut, when everyone is so used to the 13 members may be frustrating. And like you said, there are even people who don't want Henry or Zhou Mi to be in Super Junior, and instead just want them to debut as a soloist or in a new group. I totally understand that, because at first my position on this all was remotely similar, while I had no problem with them being in the group, I thought it may have been a smarter and better idea for Henry and Zhou Mi to just be put in a new band, maybe add in a few more Chinese members, and then they can debut in China, but not be related to SuJu. If they wanted to have their first single or whatever feature SuJu or some SuJu members, that would have fine too. But since this is not the case of how it worked, I support the decision.

See, I think the main problem with this whole thing, and why Pro-SuJu M [with all 7 members] fans are hating on the people on the ONLY13, is because of the actions of some [or most] of the ONLY13 people. While I understand they may have whatever reason for not wanting Henry and Zhou Mi in the group, many, many people are taking it TOO far. I mean really, since when did death threats, become a JOKE? Since when is bashing on people who you have NEVER MET okay? The thing with the majority of the ONLY13 people is that because of this, many are letting all commonsense and whatever morality they may have, leave, and are just taking this whole thing to ridiculous levels. I don't even want to go to the original Super Junior thread anymore just because of the comments I have read on only a few of the pages. Obviously, not all the people on the ONLY13 side are like this, but it seems like far too many of them are.

I'm thankful to see your post here though, because it has helped me feel a bit better about this whole situation, knowing that there still are some sane ONLY13 people out there, who may in fact have some respect for Henry and Zhou Mi, even if they are against their being in SuJu M.

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Anyways, I'm really looking forward to SuJu M's debut! I hope things go well, since I know how much the members of SuJu M are probably looking forward to it ^^. Oh, and all their pictures look really good xD

Aww, Wookie's feet look huge compared to the rest of him! He's adorable though!

ZhouMi looks a tad too much like Siwon in that photo! He's really cute!

It will be interesting if Hankyung does the raps, haha. I think it'll be Donghae though, unless Henry or ZhouMi are skilled at it also.

QUOTE (inconnuu @ Apr 6 2008, 09:05 PM)

Wow, I have such a big headache scrolling past all these arguments.

If you dont like what you see, please just scroll down and dont bother reading it.

lol, I should have done that sooner. I'm starting to get a huge headache too x)

QUOTE (5imply_5wt @ Apr 6 2008, 09:38 PM)

Zhoumi: How's everyone? I am SJ-M's Zhoumi. Since i am chinese, i am very happy to introduce myself to my country. I will try my hardest, i hope everyone will like me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/xxb...56127226yw6.jpg


Ryeowook: how's everyone doing? i'm SJ-M's Ryeowook

just at the thought of debuting in china as a SJ-M member makes me very excited
Hello chinese fans!.. we'll be seeing each other on April the 8th~

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/xxb...56127227is9.jpg

pictures credit as tagged

you beat me to it T-T but can I say that I love the closeup version of their pictures?
wha~ I'm so curious as to what the MV will turn out to look like. thanks for sharing!

now on the topic about the boys rapping. hmm, interesting. my guess is Donghae
since he's a pro at it! but they are singing in chinese. I wonder if he practiced or...
maybe he'll rap in korean? lol, I have no idea ><

I made a few SJ-M signatures to share ^^ I'll be making the other two later on tonight, just in case anyone is interested. I know they're kind of plain and simple, but that's my style.





(I hate the quality in this one - I want Hannie's bigger picture so bad.)














I don't mind if nobody likes them, lol. They're a bit simple :/

EDIT: Added the others ^^ and credit is NOT necessary. <3 Feel free to repost them in other forums and use them in your LJ sigs or wherever.

^ those signatures are adorable, but i can't just choose one.
i have too many favs in SJ-M. lol

LOL yes. But though it looks really big on him, making him look tiny, it makes him look so cute at the same time XD
askghla his pose is really cute, lol, and his outfit seems somewhat familiar, but nevertheless, he looks great T-T <3
I still think siwon's pants are mad cute, rofl.

i wanna see henry rap in U; if not Donghae =)
-keke- i have this feeling that he's superr good at rapping; lol.


thanks for translating;
What Zhoumi said is soo RIGHT;
lol.
no wonder geng was so happy to be performing in his country;
an

QUOTE (heechulism @ Apr 6 2008, 09:27 PM)

I made a few SJ-M signatures to share ^^ I'll be making the other two later on tonight, just in case anyone is interested. I know they're kind of plain and simple, but that's my style.


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...jm-hankyung.jpg

(I hate the quality in this one - I want Hannie's bigger picture so bad.)

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...sjm-donghae.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...igsjm-siwon.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...sjm-kyuhyun.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...gsjm-henry2.jpg

I don't mind if nobody likes them, lol. They're a bit simple :/

Ooh thank you for those signatures ^^ I think I may add one to my sig if that's okay? (= And they're not too plain, it's better they're not too "flashy", more sophisticated and cool that way xP

Ryeowookie is so cute >___________<
I will support them
When i read Zhou mi's message.I think he will try so much...
fighting!!!!

Thanks '5imply_5wt' for sharing~~~

wait for 8th April

How exciting!
I'm curious to see how this turns out.
I'm just really happy that Siwon is in it =)

So Henry and Jumyuk are the new kids?
hmm interesting.
Well, I like Henry in the Dont Don MV so all should go well.
Good luck to Super Junior M!

hahaha, i think he's always cute..and i do agree, his pose makes him even cuter..im glad he's in suju-M though, he really does need mroe exposure

im just wondering, lol, wht are siwon's pants made out of lol

^ rofl, tons of glitter >____>




Those banners are beautiful<3 ^^ I really like the simplicity of it. Hope you dont mind I snag the one of SiWon and save it onto my
computer.

thank you very much. they are wonderful in their simplicity and grace.

Haha Ryeowook has a train pose again. Just draw a ring around his hand and you'll know what I mean.

heechulism those siggies are so cute! Minimalism is good. Mind if I use one? Thanks.

Thanks so much you guys!! I'm really, really glad you like them. Oh, and I added the other two.

Oh yeah, I also noticed that Wookie's shoes are way huge. It looks cute, though. ^^ And I really hope that Donghae and Henry rap in U. I might just die, haha. <3

Now normally I don't have a sig, but heechulism did such a great job and I thought it'd be nice if pro-SJM or even the SJM-tolerant could show their support.

Wow, Siwon and Zhou Mi have some sort of resemblance going on ~

Ooh I like those two new ones as well ^^ I changed mine from the Henry one to the Zhou Mi one now hahah

Edit: TOPPED A PAGEEEE! WOO~! xD ahah

wow shiwon got so much hotter or just in thsee pics xD

hankyung and henry<3

they all look greatt

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...sjm-donghae.jpg

heechulism
This is really nice hehe, if you don't mind, I'm going to use this one okay. thanks. You did a great job, plain and simple. Let's support SJ-M....yehh just look at them. I see a lot of potentials.

omfg i'm still slobbering over all these pictures xD
siwon oh god , they all have that certain style like ft island

QUOTE (heechulism @ Apr 6 2008, 10:27 PM)

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...jm-hankyung.jpg
(I hate the quality in this one - I want Hannie's bigger picture so bad.)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...sjm-donghae.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...igsjm-siwon.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...sjm-kyuhyun.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...gsjm-henry2.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...gsjm-wookie.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/ota...s/sigsjm-mi.jpg


I don't mind if nobody likes them, lol. They're a bit simple :/

are you kidding me? these banners are made out of hotness
lol. simple, yet nice. hehe thanks for sharing with us =)

QUOTE (lavenderwingz @ Apr 6 2008, 10:50 PM)

hahaha, i think he's always cute..and i do agree, his pose makes him even cuter..im glad he's in suju-M though, he really does need mroe exposure

im just wondering, lol, wht are siwon's pants made out of lol

I know. Ryeowook's really talented. not to mention that he has
a lot of passion for composing music. as for Siwon's pants...
I thought they were made of wool x)

I can't wait for the MV. I love all the pictures, especially Han Geng's. <3

I'll probably only post here once at least until all the drama is over. They have all worked hard for this and they don't deserve instant dislike. I wish everyone would give them a chance to prove themselves before judging them.

yah, i can sense that he has a lot of talent, but i think wht he lacks is air time, i mean didnt the members mention that hes a crazy dude as well, i think if he's given more time on screen ppl will see his personality, then they'll start to love him..i mean he defintely does have the talent..

hahah, i was laughing at the glitter comment, but wool? lol..kinda uncomfy no? lol

sorry, i cut ur post^^ lol. woah!!!!!!! i mistaken zhoumi as siwoniie-.- lmao!!!!!! that photo really quite look like siwonnie-.- HAHA!


im anticipating for their chinese album
anyway, anyone knows when sujuM debutting?!!

DARN IT!!!
i can't wait until the debut
HM...HENRY AND ZHOU MI LOOKS FIONE^^
oh and can't forget DONGHAE!!!

is it just me but how come ryeowook shoe looks extra big on him???
^^

I would like to say that I skipped the last billion pages of arguments between pro-13 fans and 13+ fans. But I won't because then I would be lying. I read almost every single post and now I have a headache and my eyes are watering AND my mood has been put down. I came home happy about seeing the U MV tomorrow, but now I'm just pissed that the fans keep throwing insults at each other and pointing fingers about "who started it". I feel so stupid now. I really should have skipped those pages -____-
Now I'm going to try to make myself happy again by spazzing about Wookie. ^___^V

Ryeo seriously has the best look of them all in my opinion. How can he be so sexy and so cute at the same time? I have no idea how he does it, but I love it! a bit too much I think XD
His pose totally beats all.
and am I the only one who loves his shoes?