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MissLadyBunny
what a topic since I'm a plump person myself but i have this feeling that a large sum of society is against us larger people.I understand the heath risk of even just being 10 pounds over weight image those who are 100 plus.Those who suffer obesity might just face harsh criticism both in the mainstream media and every day society.Do you ever see a large person and think "My god, how did they let themselves go?" Do you ever feel the need to approach them differently because they are over weight?do you think it is fair for obese people to be discriminated against because of their larger size or should society except all those who are in different sizes.
Mr. Chan
QUOTE (MissLadyBunny @ Sep 22 2009, 10:46 AM) *
what a topic since I'm a plump person myself but i have this feeling that a large sum of society is against us larger people.I understand the heath risk of even just being 10 pounds over weight image those who are 100 plus.Those who suffer obesity might just face harsh criticism both in the mainstream media and every day society.Do you ever see a large person and think "My god, how did they let themselves go?" Do you ever feel the need to approach them differently because they are over weight?do you think it is fair for obese people to be discriminated against because of their larger size or should society except all those who are in different sizes.


At first I used to look down on overweight people and think to myself, "geez, look at these lazy fcks". However, almost a year ago I made a friend (fellow car enthusiast) who is overweight. It sort of changed my perspective on the whole idea because the dude is cool as fck. Recently, I asked if he ever wanted to lose weight and how'd he become so big. It turns out that due to his work, he has never had time to work out. However, he's slowly starting to cut down on the junk food.

All in all, I feel that there's no reason to discriminate. It's their choice whether or not they want to be overweight or not.
nadishnoon
QUOTE (MissLadyBunny @ Sep 22 2009, 07:46 PM) *
what a topic since I'm a plump person myself but i have this feeling that a large sum of society is against us larger people.I understand the heath risk of even just being 10 pounds over weight image those who are 100 plus.Those who suffer obesity might just face harsh criticism both in the mainstream media and every day society.Do you ever see a large person and think "My god, how did they let themselves go?" Do you ever feel the need to approach them differently because they are over weight?do you think it is fair for obese people to be discriminated against because of their larger size or should society except all those who are in different sizes.

I am an obese person, and yes, a lot of clichés exist and media don't help. But about people around me I don't feel being belittled. It depends of your personality, peoplearound me (at work, my family, my friends) think I'm easygoing and bubbly so i don't really find difficult to go to people. But I noticed one thing, most of people don't go to fat/plump/obese people easily, because we are different, maybe they are afraid, i don't know, I don't really think about it.
One solution, don't think too much about it, because, every person have their own discomfort.

ps : sorry for my not-so-good english lol
Lie
I have friends that are overweight, and a couple that are obese, and they're the same to me as any of my other friends. Care for them just the same.

At the same time, I've never been physically attracted to someone who was significantly overweight or obese, and I just don't see that I could be (unless their personality was so great that it sort of caused me to be attracted to them as a resultant, but as I said, it's never happened before so I don't foresee it really). I think most people are the same way (though many would deny it), and so while they generally don't hate or dislike fat people, they do have something against them from the perspective that they see dating someone who's significantly overweight (particularly those who are obese) as an unattractive prospect. There are definitely those who don't care as much about physical appearance, and even some who PREFER to date someone who is overweight or obese, but I don't think I'm stretching things by saying that they're in the minority. That is what most of my significantly overweight (i.e. "fat") friends have to deal with. If they're outgoing, though, I think it makes things a bit less difficult.
boka
QUOTE
do you think it is fair for obese people to be discriminated against because of their larger size or should society except all those who are in different sizes.
I'd have to disagree with the mindset that it's OK/good to be a larger person. Aside from health concerns, there are social/environmental responsibilities too. Details aside it's generally not so great to have whole countries full of people who consume in excess.
Searesrayne
Sometimes I do think to myself how did the person get so big... I mean I've seen so many ppl that they CONFINED to wheelchairs for gods sake it's a sad site... and they're also young too;....

Anyways I try no take judge ppl... >_> dry.gif

Well I knew two chicks that were morbidly obese... and whenever I ate with them..... One of them would drink 6 LARGE cups (i think a cup was the liter size) at all on sitting, and then they were both out of shape so they couldn't walk very far.

While I know a other morbidly obese guy, an active guy can keep up with or outrun the normal fit person.

I don't need to approach them different, in fact I don't approach anyone LOLOL

"do you think it's fair for obese people to be discriminated against because of their larger size or should society except all those who are in different sizes"

I think it also goes for very skinny people to be discriminated against... two ends but they both have the same problem ppl asking them why are they so and so, some ppl CAN'T HELP it but that's pretty much only like 2% (the ones with genetic disorders)

But there's also the fact is that LOTs of ppl are pushing the obese line and it should be helped. (let's take the ration of middle age americans 2/3 being morbidly obese) Sure it's okay if your a little overweight, but more and more ppl are get way too big


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Yubumsuk
Last year I was letting myself get a bit out of shape, feeling too busy to exercise, and putting on some pounds - not too much, up to about 180lbs (I'm 5'11"). One of my Korean students made a most unflattering drawing of me, slightly exaggerating my waistline. My first thought was, you little turd. But, it was at that point that I decided I really needed to get back to working out or jogging at least three times a week. And apart from a trip to Canada and injuring my leg slightly, I have. If I have her to thank for getting me started again, as far as I'm concerned living in a society where people think nothing of pointing out exactly what they think of how you're looking is just fine by me. (My friend got a box of chocolates from his student on Teachers' Day - attached was a note that said 'I wanted to get you chocolates but I hope you don't eat them because you're getting too fat).
little mixed girl
i was reading an article a while back that touched on some of the points you talked about.
that author's theory was that since a large (majority?) of americans are classified as obese/overweight, that people (big or not) start projecting their issues onto those people...or something like that.

if i see someone who's really big and looking down, i assume that they are probably depressed...and they probably have various reasons for not exercising, etc.
brownman90561495
that's why there's a show called The Biggest Loser. i believe that show is helping alot of obese people.

personally, i'm not against fat people, or any "inevitably grouped" people, but i just wish they could get away from the health risks they are burdening.
ayahuasca
I think it's an evolutionary response when we look at overweight people and unconsciously look down on them regardless of what your morals or scruples tell you. When one looks at someone who is overweight or seriously underweight the first instinct is not "this person is serioiusly unattractive". That comes way after the "this person would be unable to bear good offspring" recoil. that being said, I've got a few friends who are overweight, one girl is so large that I wonder how she got through the doorways at uni because they were all made quite narrow. It was particualrly noticeable since she's quite a bit taller than me and i'm 6 feet tall.

It's all good and well saying that we shouldn't discriminate against severely overweight and obese people, but deep down all of us instinctively do it.
ginger
QUOTE (Yubumsuk @ Sep 22 2009, 11:52 PM) *
(My friend got a box of chocolates from his student on Teachers' Day - attached was a note that said 'I wanted to get you chocolates but I hope you don't eat them because you're getting too fat).



!!!!! cool.gif The honesty of K students is just...brutal. And hilarious.

Anyway, I know that being overweight is such a big deal in the US, since everyone views the US as the fattest country in the world (but I heard it's really Australia now?) I live in Korea now and a lot of my friends are quick to trash talk an overweight person if they see one (it's rare to see huuuge people here, unlike in the US. I'm from WV originally, which has incredible obesity rates). They use words like "disgusting" and "pathetic", and it always makes me kind of lash out at them. Humans all have flaws--some got unlucky and get judged by them physically, while others get to hide theirs beneath their skin.

I think a lot of people are "afraid" to approach larger people because they think it makes them look like a loser. If you had a room of people and different groups occupied that room, it sometimes ends up with overweight people in one group, skinny hot girls in another, etc. By choosing to talk or be friendly with overweight people, it could make a person think that they will be judged poorly, as well.

It also sucks because my side job is very heavily based on appearance. When you work with an events and party promotion group, it's all about making parties that have the most important sponsors and the hottest people. There are professional photographers around everywhere, taking pictures for all the magazines' "people about town" kind of columns. If you want to get noticed, you need a party extremely hot people. A lot of clubs where the parties are held will discriminate based on weight or appearance, using "dress code" as their excuse. I hate that I've had friends that I felt like I couldn't invite because I didn't want them to get hurt by getting rejected at the door. I think, "what's worse? For me to just not mention this party because I don't want her to be embarrassed? Or for me to invite her and have her humiliated if she can't get in?" It really blows.

-ginger
Tuffcore
QUOTE (ginger @ Sep 23 2009, 12:16 AM) *
Humans all have flaws--some got unlucky and get judged by them physically, while others get to hide theirs beneath their skin.

I agree there's nothing wrong with obese people but I disagree when people suggest obesity isn't a choice. Unlike race, physical birth defects, and the stuff that's the luck of the draw, being fat is merely a lifestyle of one's choosing. One doesn't get obese by accident or by birth defect. One has to work hard at attaining obesity and has to dedicate their life to staying obese.

There are also people born with poor metabolisms but manage to maintain normal body weights while others are born with great metabolisms but still discover obesity through choices they make. The opposite end of the spectrum is also observed. Some are born to fat genes but managed to acquire great physiques through body building while others are born to great genes but choose to maintain average bodies instead.

It's a choice. Instead of an apple, they snack on buttered cookies. Instead of salad without dressing, they lunch on double quarter pounders with cheese. Instead of sushi and sashimi, they dine at the all you can eat pasta night. Most importantly of all, instead of the gym, they choose the couch.

There's really not much different on the inside when it comes to fat people and regular people aside from the choices they make in life. The thing is, it takes just as much effort to be fat than it does to be skinny. For example, it's hard for me to choose the couch over the gym but for the obese, it's hard to choose the gym.
Irysinon
Unless I was to become an athlete or a movie star, I find no need in 'working out.' I'm speaking for myself of course. I'm also not one of those people that care about being healthy, as long as I feel okay (for a lack of a better term). I'm unattractive, so what? I have no goal in that department. I'm going to die young, so what? I want to, rather than to live till 90. If one is supposed to enjoy their life and it doesn't involve 'working out,' then cool. At least one can enjoy life by eating what they want to, without all that weight watching hassle. Again, that's me. If others ridicule me for being overweight? Cool. Why is it any of their business anyway? I make fun of my own weight even. No big deal.
My Sweet September
My fiance is obese...and I have been too.

My fiance has always been bigger, even has a young child, he was just big. Throughout middle and high school, he was big, but still athletic, he was on varsity football, the wrestling team, and the rugby team. In football and rugby, it was okay to be big, because he still was still agile, strong and fast despite his size. Since he was a offensive and defensive lineman, his weight actually helped him be better at his position because he physically overpowered most of the opposition. But wrestling did a number of things to his body, since he constantly had to lose or gain weight so he could make his weight class. He would lose 30 or 40 pounds a month, dieting on ice and lettuce and supplements, but by time rugby season came around, he would gain that weight back really quickly, and then some. After high school, he was done torturing his body. He stopped working out, he stopped dieting...he's always been a meat and potato man, and honestly, food is one of his greatest loves. He weighs over 300lbs now, but I love each and every pound. He's a great guy, he's happy, and that's what matters most. Some people have asked me, if his weight bothers me...I get a lot of comments like, "...but he's so BIG!" from people, especially my mother. And it makes me very sad that they consider his size an issue, when he's such a great guy. From time to time, I see that these comments get to him, he sometimes expresses a desire to lose some weight, to hit the gym...and I think he only has these passing desires, because people judge him for his size. Because he loathes working out. He doesn't mind be active if he ENJOYS the activity, but to just go and hit the gym, for the reason of being more socially acceptable or healthier, well he'd rather spend the time doing things he loves. And I'd rather him spend more time doing things that make him happy, than to sweat for the sake of reasons other than his own.

I am a bit the opposite. I was always a thin kid, but once I hit puberty, I got big. I wasn't fat, I wasn't anything close to being fat, but my hips grew and somehow I got the idea that because I could no longer fit into a size 0 I was fat. I also had some things happen to me, that made me really hate my body, I felt disgusting, I didn't want to be attractive I just wanted to disappear. I was was active in rugby, and marching band (which isn't a sport, but it still requires a moderate amount of exercise) so throughout high school I stayed a pretty average size for my height, but I was always going on crash diets, trying to make myself skeletal thin. The diets would fail, and over the years my weight just accumulated. After high school, the weight accumulated pretty quickly. I had such a low self confidence that I was embarrassed to be seen, I thought people would laugh if they saw such a fat ass running down the street, trying in vain to shed weight. So, I pretty much hid. I ate all the wrong foods. I pretended I didn't care, while I secretly starved myself for weeks, and then purged on all the bread and candy I could whenever I became upset enough...and used food to cope. But, then I met my fiance, I fell in love. And his love for me, and my body, helped me grow in self confidence. I decided to lose the weight for myself, because I wasn't happy being fat. I love clothes, but I hid my body in baggy shirts and gym shorts. I wanted to go to the store, and browse through the racks, and not have to worry about hiding my tummy or my fat arms and legs. So I lost the weight. I am still not pin thin, but I am happy, and that is what matters most.

I shared these stories because I too sometimes find myself judging another individual for their size, especially when I am angry. But then I stop and think, I think about myself, I think about my fiance and all the other people I love who may or may have been overweight, and I think how I couldn't love them any more even if they were thin. I think about why they may have become overweight, I wonder if it bothers them, if they are happy. I wonder if they are eating this burger because they john teshin love burgers, or because they have lost all self confidence in themselves and have given up.

yes, being overweight in not healthy, but neither is starving yourself to be thin. We love to preach to obese men and women about the effect their weight is having on their bodies, yet we ignore the average sized chick who cut her calories to drastically low levels to be thin. We wonder how obese people got so fat, yet we never stop and question the methods some people use to stay thin. I am not saying all thin people starve themselves, not by any means, but I don't forget the measures I took to become thin, I don't forget how people would praise me for losing 30 pounds in a month, and then ridicule me for putting the same amount of weight back on.

So no, I dont think it is fair to discriminate over size. I hope that in the future, society pressures people to find what makes them happy, to enjoy their life as much as possible, and to respect the lifestyle choice we make for ourselves, rather than try to squeeze the populace into an ideal mold...
itrayya
some people think that all fat people like to be fat.
some bigger people can't really help they way they are.
people act as if a bigger person never question him/herself about his/her weight.

i'm not obese but im bigger than what most people would like me to be.
and i get picked on by relatives but i dont care.
not 'i dont care' but more like, and?
if we were all skinny then that would be kinda boring.

as long as one is healthy and trying to stay healthy, that matters more.
Phaze5ive
FAT PEOPLE ARE JOLLY laugh.gif

The media should stop portraying fat as "big and beautiful". Fat is fat, and moreover, it's unhealthy. And no, it's not your genes, it's those burgers you keep shoving down your fat face.
ginger
QUOTE (Tuffcore @ Sep 23 2009, 03:22 AM) *
It's a choice. Instead of an apple, they snack on buttered cookies. Instead of salad without dressing, they lunch on double quarter pounders with cheese. Instead of sushi and sashimi, they dine at the all you can eat pasta night. Most importantly of all, instead of the gym, they choose the couch.


I really don't agree with this. I don't eat an apple, I eat a rice krispy treat. I don't eat a salad, I have a huge steak and potatoes. Instead of sushi, I will have 4 plates of pasta and meatballs and then a piece of pie after. I don't go to the gym but I do walk to and from work every day (because I live in a big city).

Am I obese? No, I weigh 108 lbs and I'm a size 2.

The food choices I make affect me differently than they do for different people. Saying that "fat people just have no self-control" is not wholly true.

-ginger
Mr. Chan
QUOTE (ginger @ Sep 23 2009, 07:20 AM) *
I really don't agree with this. I don't eat an apple, I eat a rice krispy treat. I don't eat a salad, I have a huge steak and potatoes. Instead of sushi, I will have 4 plates of pasta and meatballs and then a piece of pie after. I don't go to the gym but I do walk to and from work every day (because I live in a big city).

Am I obese? No, I weigh 108 lbs and I'm a size 2.

The food choices I make affect me differently than they do for different people. Saying that "fat people just have no self-control" is not wholly true.

-ginger


Maybe you have incredibly high metabolism?
nadishnoon
QUOTE (Phaze5ive @ Sep 23 2009, 04:19 PM) *
And no, it's not your genes, it's those burgers you keep shoving down your fat face.

Are you doctor? I don't think so, because I had been at hospital to loose weight and I joined in a scientific research. They found for my case it was because of my genes, they found my metabolism very very slow. I don't eat too much (i don't eat 1kg of pasta etc..) but not very healthy. So i put on weight very easily. So yes, it can be your genes!!

edit : thank you to Meenuh, i correct my sentence lol
Mr. Chan
QUOTE (nadishnoon @ Sep 23 2009, 08:51 AM) *
Are you doctor? I don't think so, because I had been at hospital to loose weight and I joined in a scientific research. They found for my case it was because of my genes, they found my metabolism very very slow. I don't eat too much (with 1kg of pasta etc..) but not very healthy. So i put on weight very easily. So yes, it can be your genes!!


Having slow metabolism sucks. I personally think I have it because it's easy for me to gain weight yet very hard for me to lose. However, in order for me to do something about this, I force myself to eat healthier and work out and go jogging twice a day, everyday.
nadishnoon
QUOTE (Mr. Chan @ Sep 23 2009, 06:24 PM) *
Having slow metabolism sucks. I personally think I have it because it's easy for me to gain weight yet very hard for me to lose. However, in order for me to do something about this, I force myself to eat healthier and work out and go jogging twice a day, everyday.

yep it sucks, so now I stopped junk food(adieu mcdonalds, kfc lol) and swim twice a week, i can't go jogging so I bought an ellliptical, at start the elliptical was difficult but with music I feel it easier lol.
Meenuh
QUOTE (nadishnoon @ Sep 23 2009, 08:51 AM) *
Are you doctor? I don't think so, because I had been at hospital to loose weight and I joined in a scientific research. They found for my case it was because of my genes, they found my metabolism very very slow. I don't eat too much (with 1kg of pasta etc..) but not very healthy. So i put on weight very easily. So yes, it can be your genes!!


Do you really eat 1kg of pasta? Is that in one sitting or spread out throughout the day? That's a lot of pasta and that means that's a lot of carbs. I'm assuming you don't do any labor intensive work which probably means your body doesn't need all those carbs you're eating. When you have excess carbs, it gets stored as fat. Maybe you should cut back on the pasta... I'm almost positive if you change your diet you will lose weight. If you don't, then it probably means you're still eating the wrong stuff.
nadishnoon
QUOTE (Meenuh @ Sep 23 2009, 07:04 PM) *
Do you really eat 1kg of pasta? Is that in one sitting or spread out throughout the day? That's a lot of pasta and that means that's a lot of carbs. I'm assuming you don't do any labor intensive work which probably means your body doesn't need all those carbs you're eating. When you have excess carbs, it gets stored as fat. Maybe you should cut back on the pasta... I'm almost positive if you change your diet you will lose weight. If you don't, then it probably means you're still eating the wrong stuff.

LMAO I made a mistake, I meant : I don't eat 1 kg of pasta lol

aznfury
I am obese (according to my Wii Fit tongue.gif) and when I was studying in Korea in the summer of 2006 it was actually life changing. Everyone in Korea is slim so I stood out of the crowd very easily lol. At the time I was nearing 300 lbs (yes I know .. morbidly obese) though I am 6'1" ft tall. I knew I got a lot of weird looks and a lot of teasing. Actually, one time at the jjimjilbang (korean sauna) an ajousshi (older man) asked me if I was a ssireum (korean sumo) wrestler lol. Hearing the insults and jokes only fueled my determination to kick the habit of overeating to feed (figuratively lol) my depression. Fast forward to today, I have lost over 75 lbs by losing the junk food and feel healthier though I am still big physically. Even though I have lost the weight, I still get some teasing about my weight. It sucks the world is image conscious but that's life sleep.gif Personality wise, I am one of the nicest guys but physically it doesn't matter to some T_T

You win some .. you lose some
Tuffcore
QUOTE (ginger @ Sep 23 2009, 06:20 AM) *
I really don't agree with this. I don't eat an apple, I eat a rice krispy treat. I don't eat a salad, I have a huge steak and potatoes. Instead of sushi, I will have 4 plates of pasta and meatballs and then a piece of pie after. I don't go to the gym but I do walk to and from work every day (because I live in a big city).

Am I obese? No, I weigh 108 lbs and I'm a size 2.

The food choices I make affect me differently than they do for different people. Saying that "fat people just have no self-control" is not wholly true.

-ginger

My point is, no matter how easy or difficult being fat is perceived to be, one can choose to be/stay obese or lose weight and be normal.

Plus, exercising is the most important lifestyle choice a person can make. You walk to work, so that's already a big reason why you are not fat.
nadishnoon
QUOTE (aznfury @ Sep 23 2009, 08:11 PM) *
I am obese (according to my Wii Fit tongue.gif) and when I was studying in Korea in the summer of 2006 it was actually life changing. Everyone in Korea is slim so I stood out of the crowd very easily lol. At the time I was nearing 300 lbs (yes I know .. morbidly obese) though I am 6'1" ft tall. I knew I got a lot of weird looks and a lot of teasing. Actually, one time at the jjimjilbang (korean sauna) and ajousshi (older man) asked me if I was a ssireum (korean sumo) wrestler lol. Hearing the insults and jokes only fueled my determination to kick the habit of overeating to feed (figuratively lol) my depression. Fast forward to today, I have lost over 75 lbs by losing the junk food and feel healthier though I am still big physically. Even though I have lost the weight, I still get some teasing about my weight. It sucks the world is image conscious but that's life sleep.gif Personality wise, I am one of the nicest guys but physically it doesn't matter to some T_T

You win some .. you lose some

You inspire me.
The ajhusshi comments were ===> ohmy.gif
Good luck !!
Phaze5ive
QUOTE (nadishnoon @ Sep 23 2009, 11:51 AM) *
Are you doctor? I don't think so, because I had been at hospital to loose weight and I joined in a scientific research. They found for my case it was because of my genes, they found my metabolism very very slow. I don't eat too much (i don't eat 1kg of pasta etc..) but not very healthy. So i put on weight very easily. So yes, it can be your genes!!

edit : thank you to Meenuh, i correct my sentence lol

Genes only predisposes people to become obese. There are no genes that force them to eat and live unhealthily. There are plenty of people who have slow metabolism and are in shape. No excuses for the fat ones.
nadishnoon
QUOTE (Phaze5ive @ Sep 23 2009, 09:31 PM) *
Genes only predisposes people to become obese. There are no genes that force them to eat and live unhealthily. There are plenty of people who have slow metabolism and are in shape. No excuses for the fat ones.

Never said that my genes forced me to eat plenty of big mac LOL, just can predispose to put on weight more than a high/speed metabolism.
MissLadyBunny
@Phaze5ive and nadishnoon
Under active thyroid can also be a result to weight gain or difficulty weight lost.In fact several disease can result in rapid unexplained weight gain.

Many people do not know they suffer
http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/un...ve_thyroid.html
DreamingSaturn
QUOTE (MissLadyBunny @ Sep 22 2009, 11:46 AM) *
Do you ever see a large person and think "My god, how did they let themselves go?" Do you ever feel the need to approach them differently because they are over weight?do you think it is fair for obese people to be discriminated against because of their larger size ...

Yes, yes and yes. I won't act on it but I admit to thinking it.

My metabolism is stupid slow (genetics) so when I feel myself started to weigh more than I'd like I go out and buy some salad greens and fat free cereal rather than french fries and pasta.
joogrlpekaun
*sigh* I hate how I don't eat a lot, usually eat pretty healthily (no fast food, not heavy on carbs, only rarely eat red meat, lots of fruits and vegetables, salads with no dressing, whole grains, drinking nothing but water), and exercise pretty much every day for at least an hour but am still always at least a bit too big and gain weight incredibly easily. Stupid slow metabolism! I got it from my mama. sad.gif That's why it kind of irks me when people think that if anyone just walks for an hour a day and eats no junk food then he or she will invariably become thin. It works for some people, but it's never worked for me even exercising significantly more than that and pretty much never eating any desserts or junk food. If ginger didn't already have a great metabolism, there is no way that just walking to work would offset her eating habits unless she were walking to work for hours each way. I have lost noticeable weight over the past few years by being very careful but never actually gotten down to the point where I wasn't still chunky. I was at my slimmest in ninth grade when I played team sports in high school and barely even ate, but still chubby. Even as a young kid I would play outside and exercise for many hours every day on my bike or playing sports/games involving running and I was still chubby. The only bright side is that I carry my weight well and usually look like I weigh 10 pounds or more less than I actually do.

It seriously feels like a stab in the gut every time I see a girl with a rockin' body on campus or in the media because I know that I will never, ever have the slim body type that is really attractive. I was even told that by my family doctor when I was much younger: I would never actually be skinny or not weigh a bit more than average unless I outright starved myself because of my build and body type and that I shouldn't do that. I reconciled myself to that fact a long time ago, but it still hurts. I constantly feel like people are judging me whenever I eat, even if I'm eating very healthily, and even just walking down the street or sitting in class I feel very self-conscious about it. When I do very occasionally have a burger or something that I've been craving for months, I can barely even enjoy it if I'm eating it in public because I feel like everyone who sees or anyone I'm with would be thinking "No wonder she's chubby" not knowing that it's the first time I've eaten anything like that in months. Meanwhile, some of my skinny friends just eat whatever unhealthy foods most of the time and don't feel a single pang of guilt because they know nobody will care and give them crap for it as long as they look good. It amazed me how many students at my school will casually eat McDonald's all the time and talk about eating a lot of fast food when I feel like I'm committing a sin or something just walking past a fast food joint on the street.

To answer the questions, I don't generally discriminate against people who are a bit on the big side like I am, but I will admit that I do wonder how people let themselves get truly HUGE. I know how hard it is for a lot of people to fight weight gain because that's been the story of my entire life, so I won't assume that every chubby person is wolfing down burgers, fries and milkshakes only to go watch TV on the couch, but I do wonder how the people I've seen who do exactly that can stand it and why they would choose to do it to themselves. I guess I usually think that he or she may have just given up at some point and decided not to care anymore, because I can understand how it all gets to seem so futile that a person might wonder what the point is in even trying and decide to just do and eat whatever he or she feels like. Looking ahead to the future, all I see is more and more of the same as it just gets harder and harder to keep the weight off. Looking at what happened to my mom, having kids would probably be Game Over where weight is concerned. Another thing I might think is that they're depressed or something. Anti-depressants and anti-schizophrenic drugs often have undesired weight gain as a side effect on top of the weight gain that a lot of depressed people experience in the first place. I don't assume that it's the reason behind a majority of cases or anything, but it is another possibility. Until I know someone's actual lifestyle I try not to assume anything.

As for treating them differently, I've never actually shunned overweight people that I am aware of.
I have friends who are overweight and I usually just don't even think about it or really notice. Once I've become friends with someone, the details of their appearance largely fade into the background. The one exception is that I'm definitely turned off by obesity in guys when it comes to sexual attraction. Some chub won't make me pass a great guy by, especially since I need him to feel the same in my case, but I can't imagine being sexually attracted to a guy who was morbidly obese. It's sad, but true. That's part of the reason I'm sad that I'll never be really really slim, because I feel like my weight has gotten in the way when it comes to my love life, and I've always felt painfully unattractive even though I'm not a huge whale at all and anyone who knows me well knows I exercise and don't pig out. I don't have as much of a problem with people judging obese people as I do with people judging people for their obesity without actually knowing that person's lifestyle and just slapping labels like "lazy pig" on without even knowing if it's true. If it's true then it's true, and it's not uncommon, but know what you're talking about before you judge.

laugh.gif Wow, what an essay! Blame it on procrastination. Cookie Salad for anyone who reads all of that!
D_K
Fat people always look hungry....which makes me hungry when i look at them. So I bought one of those large rotisserie whole chicken for lunch and polished it off.
Pogichinoy
I hate how my weight hasn't changed for the last 8 years and the fact that my fast metabolism won't let me put on weight no matter how much and what I eat.

I do have those thoughts when I see fat people, mainly because I grew up with an interest in fashion.

In my experience, I've witnessed people who are fat due to their eating habits and lack of exercise, whilst a very small percentage of fat people actually have an imbalance in their hormones, which cause them to be undesireably fat.

But with this, there is always a solution to be in a healthy weight range, it just takes effort, and lots of it.
Temoin la Nuit
Yeah, I do.

Mostly because I've seen fat people become skinny and hot.

So much wasted potential in the world.
ginger
QUOTE (Tuffcore @ Sep 23 2009, 01:34 PM) *
My point is, no matter how easy or difficult being fat is perceived to be, one can choose to be/stay obese or lose weight and be normal.

Plus, exercising is the most important lifestyle choice a person can make. You walk to work, so that's already a big reason why you are not fat.



But at the same time, there is another foreigner who lives in my neighborhood and who works at school near mine...and he is still overweight. He eats Korean food, I eat Korean food. We both walk to and from work. I stay at my same small weight and he stays at his same large weight.

It does suck that some people have to work more at their weight than others. If I didn't have a fast metabolism, I'm sure I'd be huge. Would I have the dedication to get out there and shed those pounds? Who knows.

-ginger
triple555soul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89GB7z_Ogt0

<3

I can be friends with anyone of any size or color.
But dating an obese guy? No.. Fat? You must have an amazing personality to attract me on those basis alone. Chub? I think it's cute.

Mr. Chan
QUOTE (triple555soul @ Sep 23 2009, 07:31 PM) *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89GB7z_Ogt0

<3

I can be friends with anyone of any size or color.
But dating an obese guy? No.. Fat? You must have an amazing personality to attract me on those basis alone. Chub? I think it's cute.


If that's you in your avatar, then I'd be chubby just to impress you. wink.gif
Phaze5ive
QUOTE (triple555soul @ Sep 23 2009, 10:31 PM) *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89GB7z_Ogt0

<3

I can be friends with anyone of any size or color.
But dating an obese guy? No.. Fat? You must have an amazing personality to attract me on those basis alone. Chub? I think it's cute.

Chubby chaser, huh? wink.gif
kerupi
QUOTE
Do you ever see a large person and think "My god, how did they let themselves go?" Do you ever feel the need to approach them differently because they are over weight? do you think it is fair for obese people to be discriminated against because of their larger size or should society except all those who are in different sizes.


Nope, I don't discriminate against a larger person and I've never thought about approaching them differently because of their weight. That's my personal opinion based on upbringing and how I see others. I was raised to see and treat a person as a person first before their culture, their sex or any other significant, physical feature. My family and friends are of different sizes but that does not mean there has not been any conflict laugh.gif

I descend from a culture that loves their food and so we are big people both inside and outside. I'm of Polynesian and Asian descent brought up in a mainstream English society. I lean more towards my Polynesian side though and I was raised with a healthy appetite - wasn't brought up on salad laugh.gif Yep a few of our people are big but we don't ostracize them. Our motto: Most of our island Mums are big so if you making a fat comment best keep it to yourself if you don't want a black eye laugh.gif

Looking at the rest of the world and comparing these issues with my experiences I think that it really comes down to your attitude and how much peer pressure you let affect you. There are extremes and in those cases require more attention (e.g. health conditions/severe depression) but with the majority of overweight/obese cases it stems from lifestyle and personal issues.

I am currently 85kgs and that's pretty skinny for me at a height of about 1.7m ( laugh.gif mind you I think my 85kgs to most here may be considered fat laugh.gif ) I have been over 100kgs and still ace certain sports against those who have weighed less than me but I got the hint when I rolled my ankle pretty badly laugh.gif

Ah, too much to write but all I can say is I ain't got a problem with big people biggrin.gif
Shinobu
I don't say things to people's face but I do think it. Everybody's metabolism is different so some have to work harder than the others to stay healthy and in shape. I want myself in shape for me and not anybody else. Don't compare what you do to another person. Just do whatever it takes to get there. I measure my weight by how my tummy looks. I don't want to be under that weight nor do I want to be over that weight. I'm keeping my diet down to poultry and selective seafood, whole grains, vegetables, fruits, water and soymilk. This is not to maintain my weight (because I don't have problem maintaining my weight due to my lack of food craving. It's to maintain my health but I think I already started a bit too late.)

(Actually for 2 weeks on a trip I would eat once in the morning then walk all day for 12 hrs straight without food then eat again in the evening. Due to that I lost some weight and I have to gain it back.)
triple555soul
QUOTE (Mr. Chan @ Sep 23 2009, 08:04 PM) *
If that's you in your avatar, then I'd be chubby just to impress you. wink.gif



ORLY. wink.gif



LOL. I'm not a chubby chaser per say... but hugging someone with a little meat on them is better than a cardboard. Although a guy with a nice body is damn hot to look at. SUCH DILEMMA. HAHA.
erure
Korean food is for the most part quite healthy, but that's if you don't eat meat. I think Koreans eat fattier parts of meat than Americans do (i.e. samgyupsal). Living in Korea, I heard you're either skinny/thin to fit in with the crowd and those who are fat really let themselves go and are super huge (but you don't see them because they rarely leave the house since they know that everyone else will treat them like they're disgusting). In Korea, if you really did let yourself go and eat whatever you want and whatnot, you can really become morbidly obese. There are not only American fast foods, but Korean fatty foods, street foods, and tons of 24-hour convenience stores everywhere.

I'm fat and I don't know... It's hard to change your lifestyle, even though logically, losing weight is really the only option. I don't expect kindness from people anymore because I'm fat, and I'm almost always walking around with my eyes staring at the ground, hoping that I'm invisible (but probably failing at it).
Mr. Chan
I'm 5"9 and currently weigh 165. What about everyone else?
triple555soul
QUOTE (Mr. Chan @ Sep 23 2009, 09:57 PM) *
I'm 5"9 and currently weigh 165. What about everyone else?


Dang, stop trying to make fat people feel bad about themselves. sad.gif((((((((((

Luulllsss.
Mr. Chan
QUOTE (triple555soul @ Sep 23 2009, 10:30 PM) *
Dang, stop trying to make fat people feel bad about themselves. sad.gif((((((((((

Luulllsss.


Despite the numbers, I'm actually quite fat.

Also, I think if we motivate each other, perhaps we can improve on cutting some pounds?
Hax
5'9 and 275

Was hopin triple555soul was a chubby chaser sad.gif...
triple555soul
QUOTE (Hax @ Sep 23 2009, 10:31 PM) *
5'9 and 275

Was hopin triple555soul was a chubby chaser sad.gif...



pinkberry, you're far from chubby! mad.gif you fat ass.


Mr. Chan
- Lol. Seriously 165 at 5'9 isn't fat. haha.
Mr. Chan
QUOTE (triple555soul @ Sep 23 2009, 10:33 PM) *

Mr. Chan
- Lol. Seriously 165 at 5'9 isn't fat. haha.


I bet if I had a device to measure my bodyfat, it'd be over nine-thousaAaAAaaaand!!!!!!!!11111

But seriously, I am a bit on the chubby side.
triple555soul
QUOTE (Mr. Chan @ Sep 23 2009, 10:35 PM) *
I bet if I had a device to measure my bodyfat, it'd be over nine-thousaAaAAaaaAAaand!!!!!!!!11111


LOL! DANG, over nine-thousaAaAAaaaAAaand and even in a huge font! LOL who the john tesh cares. You probably don't even look fat. You're just self-hating it sounds like. LOL!
Mr. Chan
QUOTE (triple555soul @ Sep 23 2009, 10:37 PM) *
LOL! DANG, over nine-thousaAaAAaaaAAaand and even in a huge font! LOL who the john tesh cares. You probably don't even look fat. You're just self-hating it sounds like. LOL!


Argh, I just can't explain it. Maybe if you saw my pic then you'd know what I mean.
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