well week four is already here.

and here are my pics on the games.

New England vs Atlanta: Atl 21- N.E 17

Miami vs Buffalo: Miami 17- Buffalo 14

Chicago vs Cleveland: chicago 10 - Cleveland 7

Baltimore vs Detroit: Bal 20 - Det. 14

New Orleans vs Green Bay: G.B 27 - N.O 20 (G.B will finally get there first win)

Tennessee vs Houston: Tenn. 28- Hou. 10

Tampa Bay vs N.Y Jets: T.B 17- N.Y Jets 7

Seattle vs St. Louis: Seattle 21 - St. Louis 20

Indianapolis vs San Francisco: Indi 38 - S.F 14

Carolina vs Arizona: Car. 21- Ari 7

Philadelphia vs Dallas: Phi. 35 - Dal. 20

Washington vs Denver: Den 23 - Wash 20

Cincinnati vs Jacksonville: Cin. 28- Jack 21

Pittsburgh vs San Diego: Pitt 30 S.D 14


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this will be the NFL Offical Thread

grrr houston is so dissapointing im so madddd...

St. Louis is at home. Greatest show on turf.

New England vs Atlanta
Pittsburgh vs San Diego

both of those games are the only ones I'm actually looking forward to

Steelers 33
Chargers 17

hahahaha. yea i cant wait till the games. i wonder how Pats are going to stop mike vick.

pats will over come falcons. I didn't want to say that cause i really dislike the pats but it's my notion.

naw. pats cant handle the running game that well. if they can do wut the chargers did. then the pats will lose. i have faith in vick.

i think pats will win...but it will be a close game...falcons dun have a LT he is a beast man...dunn is all right...anyways the iggles will win...35-10

Thanks for giving the Niners 14 points, and not 0.

hahaha. of course the niners can score to. they put up like 6 points agains the eagles so i think this time they can score at least 14 points hahahahahaha.

LOL, yeah maybe when the Colts are winning big, they will rest all their starters.

eagles all the way.

Patriots running defense rank- 25
Falcons running offense rank-1

Oh my

Den will crush Was. Portis will get stuffed by our "browncos" line!

yes i saw that. thats y i saw like i wonder how there going to stop mike vick. lolz. i cant wait till this game. im predicting that dunn N vick togerther will get over 300 yards rushing.

Because ultimate QB First overall draft pick Alex Smith is starting...he'll take the pressure of Kevan Barlow (is he their RB still yet..I'm not even keeping track of them sorry) and get sacked a few times

i think the packers will get their first win also, i think they played better and better but always for short and this week will change that.

ATL FALCONS, yayuh.

packers better get there first win. shoot i have like money on most of my matches but i have the most money on the pats vs falcons game i bet 150 on falcons wen the line was at +7 on pats. hahahaha.

Yeah don't let Brett Favre's last season be a winless one...that'd be the saddest thing ever

I've lived in Wisconsin my whole life, and this season for the Packers is disappointing. I don't think Favre wants to retire on a bad season, so maybe we'll get to see him for another year or so. Wisconsin practically idolizes Bret Favre and we all know he wants to win another championship but that's never going to happen as long as he is with the Packers because they don't have enough talent. Remember 96-97 and 97-98 the two seasons the Packers went to the Super Bowl, Bret Favre won the MVP both those seasons and the defense was ranked #1. Oh yeah, Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle declared November 29, 2004 as Brett Favre Day to honor Favre's 200th consecutive NFL regular season start. All i gotta say is I've lost interest in the Packers for the past couple of seasons, especially after that dreaded 4th and 26 vs the Eagles in the playoffs.

I don't think Bret Favre wants to retire away from Green Bay tho, no?

I loved them, what happened??? total disappointment. but I guess every team has a slump like this. can't stay great forever.


like the Dolphins... wish Marino could have won a ring tho. that would have been awesome.

i thought i was the only one who bets on football here....anyways puttin 150 on a game is crazy...not unless it was a 100% easy game.

hahaha. i did this on MNF when eagles played the falcons. i had put down more. i had bet 200 on it N guess wut i won. the line was a 3 1/2 + for the eagles but i knew the falcons were going to come out strong N i think its going to happen here again against the pats.

redskins are 3-0



not for long

i won on week 4. $10 on philly (against kc), oakland (agaisnt dallas), and atlanta (against bills). Won only $70...shoulda put in more...i really regret it...probably one of the easiest pick of the week.

LMAO. Let me guess - east coast bias not giving San Diego any props.

Sure, Pittsburgh may win this game - they are a good football team after all - but I doubt it would be a blowout you guys seem to indicate. Especially on the road and three time zones away. Just ask Eli Manning and the Giants. And New York is a higher scoring offense than Pittsburgh's. But to be sure, the Steeler defense is stronger. The key of the game will be whose defense better neutralizes the other's offense. I think it's worthy to note that the Charger run defense is statistically better than Pittsburgh's run D, allowing 91.5 yds/game to the Steelers 96.7 yds/game.

Anyway, I'm rooting for the Chargers: San Diego in a close one, 28-24

well. its because the steelers have to good of a defense like you said and there offense can score with big ben throwing avg of 300 yards per a game. i like the chargers but there not consistance there unpredictable.

Falcons have the PAts.

Games Im lookin foward to.

ATL vs NE.

PHIL vs DALLAS.

PIT vs SD

My counterargument is this:
"Big Ben" doesn't throw for an average of 300 yards per game. Truth be told, the stats show that Roethlisberger only averages 20 pass attempts per game for an average of 229 yards this season. His average yardage per pass is only more than 11 yards - which would seem to indicate predominantly safe, high percentage short routes. Interestingly enough, in the Steelers two wins, Ben only averaged 16 pass attempts - and this is against teams that have a combined 1-6 record. Unquestionably, the bread and butter of the Steeler offense is their running game and rightfully so, they're the 7th ranked rushing team in the NFL. I don't know if it's conservative playcalling, a need to protect Roethlisberger's learning curve as a new QB to the league - or maybe a little bit of both - but the Pittsburgh offense does not primarily rely on his arm to directly get the job done. They are a smashmouth offensive team and they get the job done on the ground.

Now, with that said - insomuch that this is a veritable strength of the Pittsburgh offense, it ironically plays into the strength of the San Diego defense. The Chargers aren't too shabby against the run, ranking 5th in the NFL overall in their run defense. San Diego runs the 3-4 under Wade Phillips, much like Pittsburgh does, and the strength of their defense lies in their linebacking corps. Led by Donnie Edwards and Steve Foley, these guys are quick, athletic, and really get at the ball carrier. Admittedly, the Charger secondary is suspect - but to expect Ben Roethlisberger to come out slinging the ball would be asking the Steeler offense to play out of character. As the stats attest, passing the ball on a consistent basis is just not something they rely on too much, unless they really have to (see their loss to New England, when Ben attempted nearly 30 pass attempts, but only for 216 yards).

If there's anything that I think is obvious to predict, the Steelers are going to try and establish their running game early on to control the clock and the tempo of the game. And this is precisely where I think the outcome of the game will foreshadow the outcome. If the Chargers 5th ranked run defense proves to be up to the task and snuffs out the effectiveness of the Steeler running game, then certainly the pressure will certainly be on Roethlisberger to carry the team. But like I said, this throws the Pittsburgh offense "out of character", so to speak, and I still think it remains to be seen how successful Ben is, even with the suspect Charger secondary and all. Statistically, the San Diego pass defense is bad - but over the last two games agains the Giants and Patriots, they have showed a little bit of improvement. And most of that improvement is due in part to a better pash rush on the part of their defensive line. They may not show for it in terms of sacks - but as I'm sure Manning and Brady can attest, they were under pressure and hurried in their throws a good number of times.

The other thing I'd like to see is how well the San Diego offense matches up against the Pittsburgh defense. San Diego has been clicking of late on offense, thanks to the return of Antonio Gates - and particularly because of the return of that TE, the Charger offense has actually become a slightly more balanced offense than some people believe. It's not entirely the LaDainian Tomlinson show down in San Diego. Pittsburgh has to be careful stacking up the box in order to stop LT. Because, if they do, then the simple adjustment by Brees is to find Gates on a quick pass, perhaps isolated on single coverage. As great as the "Steel Curtain" is, I'd like to think that the Chargers provide them a venerable challenge. San Diego isn't another Houston or Tennessee in terms of offense. San Diego is no New England juggernaut either ... but then again, look what happened when the Patriots played them in their backyard.

Anyway, to sum up - I'm just logically saying - primarily from a statistical standpoint and respective team tendencies being the way they are - I doubt that it will be blowout Pittsburgh victory of the magnitude of 33-17 or 30-14 as has been predicted above. I think it's going to be closely fought match with the score separation no more than 4 points - and with either team really winning it. (I just happen to hope that it's the Chargers that come out on the winning end. )

i'm from the east coast (well more mid-west lol) but i am still rooting for the chargers

you do u have a good point the fact is that ben could of easily gone over 300 yards against the Pats if the WR didnt make stupid decisions like that lateral ward try to do and also if the reciever could actually catch the balls once again if u saw the game against the pats they dropped sooo many passed that could of been for a first down or for a whole alot of extra yards but once again steelers can come out throwing to if you seen the first play of the game agains the pats didnt they throw for a touchdown on the first play. also if u seen the way the chargers play there soo up and down. u cant predict ne thing on them but i prdicted a blow out because remember how the cowboys just came out firing the second quater and so did the chargers but what happen as the time went on they couldnt score matter of fact they didnt even a point in the fourth quater. week two once again S.D came out firing but they couldnt score when they needed to. week three S.D came out firing once again but this time they kept it going N going and blew them out. they did the same thing againest the pats. u see wut i mean there sooo up and down and they been playing teams that are up and down to but the steelers are not a up and down team. they know how to score both throwing and running. dont get me wrong but doesnt breese choke at the end of the games can he handle pressure like any other good QB's can. hmm i think its no because its proven that if u bliss the crap out of the he either takes the sack or just throws the ball in the air up for grabs as to just throwing it out of bounce and the steelers are a team that bliss ALOT they gamble on their defense alot N its going to help make dreese make stupid decision. thats y i think there going to blow them out. its going to be the steelers defense that is going to win the game.

In response to your assertion that the Chargers are an up and down team - two words:

Antonio Gates.

In the first two games, the All Pro tight end was a non factor in their two first game losses. In the opener, he wasn't even in the game due to suspension as a result of his contract holdout and in the second, it was his first game back and he was eased into the Charger game plan since he missed a good portion of training camp. And in those two losses, the Chargers still could have won in the last minutes of those games despite the offensive misfires due to the relative lack of Gates' presence.

The fact of the matter is that without Gates being the reliable receiving threat (particularly on third downs), teams had less to worry about and focus on Tomlinson - as well as blitz Brees without fear of getting exposed in coverage. But now, with Gates more immersed in the Charger offense, opposing defenses have had to think twice before coming on blitzes. Cases in point: Strahan and the Giants couldn't adequately pressure Brees and neither could the Patriots. Truth be told, Brees wasn't sacked in their last two lopsided wins.

Furthermore, the Charger offensive line play suffered a setback in the first two games when their monster Samoan of a guard Toniu Fonoti suffered a broken hand during the Denver game but couldn't block worth a damn in that losing cause. Since then, he's been replaced by Kris Dielman - a converted defensive lineman with a nasty streak. As a guard, he attacks his run blocks like he still has a defensive lineman's mentality and he pass blocks knowing what a rusher is thinking. Since he's subbed more than adequately for Fonoti, it's no surprise that Brees has been able to perform much better with more time in the pocket.

yea true that they didnt have Antonio Gates first to games but he wasnt a factor against the pats. it was all tomlinson against the pats. the had zero TD's yea he might of gotten over a 100 yards recieving but what good is it if you cant make him score. it just like how T.O did against he falcons. remember how he got open and had over 100 yards but he didnt score a TD. you do u have a point but like i said before its not just one man who can do all the work. it proves that the chargers could of still won if they didnt have a gates playing simply because there defense was just outstanding that game against the pats. but the person i believe is more dangerous than Gates is K. McCardell remember what he did at Tampa. yea i think he is alot more dangerous than Gates N remember McCardell scored N Gates didnt. your probably gonna go into the game against the giants and say yea he scored a TD but look at McCardell he scored two. so practially im just gonna stop rambling N wait till sunday. if the chargers win they have my repect on how they can step up when it counts.

but the other man whats up with the pats. im a pats fan to but im a huge Falcons fan. growing up in alt when jammal anderson was there (yall remember him) he made up the dirty bird. i loved that dance hahaha. but yea pats been a up and down team lately to. im guessing its because they are having trouble clicking on defense the corners and linebackers are like miscommunicating. its just a matter of time they start clicking again. man its already week 5 in the NFL. its going by fast.

Good enough, I shall wait too and see how that game turns out. Pittsburgh's already got my respect, shoot they've practically been unbeatable against everyone outside of New England. So I certainly don't see it being a cakewalk for the Chargers just because they've scored 86 points against respectable Giant and Patriot defenses. Even I'm not that myopic. The Steelers are a tough bunch and I'd like to see my hometeam prevail. To be considered among the best, you've got to be able to compete with the best. In fact this whole month of October is the make or break time for San Diego. They got past New England last week. They face Pittsburgh this Monday. But after that, they still have to face Oakland, Philadelphia, Kansas City. Jeez, their just one Atlanta squad short of having played all the teams in the conference championship games of last year. O_o

Anyways, it's always good to be able to civilly debate "my team against yours" arguments without it having to devolve into pissing matches devoid of valid points that don't back up one's claims. Good job, Krn Track Star and enjoy your football weekend.

^ always good to see something like this in the forums =D

but anyways GO CHARGERS! (yeah screw the lions coaching staff...they cant use thier talents real well)

puhahahaha. u do as well have a good weekend to.

lets go eagles~! kill them cowboys

if vick doesnt play...patriots have more hope of winning.

Eagles were owned...that was a sad game indeed

Eagles got stoned this sunday. I wonder if McNabb's hernia is catching up to him. kudos for trying to stay in the game, but with that injury, you wonder if he should have just stayed out after the cowboys got 30 on the board. That being said, the eagles defense was pitiful. Don't just blame the safety's and corners, the front D line didn't pressure bledsoe at ALL. He looked like he could grill a few hamburgers and still have time to toss the long ball. If the wr have that much time to get open, they'll get open. Pitiful defensive performance (Aside for that DTD). Pitiful offensive performance. Let's hope the bye week gives big old no. 5 time to recover.

i have to say 1 word on the eagles.

puhahahahaha. OWNED.

well im not here to talk trash. thats what i think happened against the cowboys.

well i live in dallas (irving) and i was coming home from loop 12 to get on 183 N man it was packed i passed by texas stadium N sooo many people were yelling N screaming. O man i lost freaking 150 dollars today =(. freaking falcons couldnt beat the pats. wtf they come back N there defense freaking commited a pass interference on like a 1st and 20. rossum got beat N he commited a stupid pentality but did u hear vick in the press room. hahaha. he was like after watching this game now i can see why the coaches want me in the pocket so. i was like o_O. yea duh u want to be in the pocket because look what the T.E did today. man did u see the backup try to be like vick N scramble when he felt pressure. lolz it was soooo funnie because on tv he seemed like he was like very fast but when he scambled he like only picked up like 2 to 3 yards. i was like hahahahaha. he is slow but i got to give him credit for hitting open recievers deep down the field.

^ it doesn't matter. the patriots are still the defending world champions. i'm sure your little cowboys would've been manhandled by the pats. atleast we cameback

vick>bledsoe

schaub in a yr or two >bledsoe

you've got to be kidding yourself. If anybody should be banking on ANYteam, it shouldn't be the one team who's blown leads to a boring and sinfully inefficient offense like the redskins. This week is a randy mossesque "once in a blue moon" occurrence. Don't count on the boys to make it into the playoffs (the mavs have a better chance, which isn't much of a chance at all).

eagles got raped.

o and d were horrible.

green bay 52-3 -.-;; wowzer

falcons suck i hate them.

plus noone cares where u were comin from in dallas.

so hush k thxs.

yeah it was one of them games for the iggles today...but its good to get this kinda of game out of the way....after the bye they will get things going...yea the pats kicker ventari is awesome....he makes those game winning kicks all the time

hahaha. this guy is alwayz trying to start i can't read. yo i swear if were there i would shut him up for good. i guess people can do crazy thing when there behind a keyboard. if u wanna start i can't read call me up so i can come down where ever you are N just woop ur ass.

ne wayz what is yall's thought on the colts this yr. im wondering why they aren't putting the numbers they put up last year. last year they were on fire avg 300 plus yards passing. now there like below 300 yard and scoring thats a huge story. they avg 32.3 points a game N this season there only avg 27.1 points a game. im wondering this because they have the same offensive unit from last year only thing that changed on the colts team is there defense. which gotten REALLY GOOD.

well this one is for the eagles i think the injures mcnabb was having cause a great problem for him. im just wondering why he doesnt sit out to get healthy like vick did against the pats (even though they almost won with the back up). this was a very important game for the falcons also for the pats but vick said even though he can play he wanted to be healthy before he came back. i think mcnabb should to the same. i think he should just sit out a game or so to get healthy because if u keep playing injured the injures are going to build up N even get worse. look at steve mcnair he is still getting injured because he keeps on playing injured. so to prevent from something serious i think he should sit out N rest.

stfu. get some grammar lessons, and some typing lesson while you're at it.

haha im sorry .

my drunk friend was over and was typing that stuff.

plus i dont really care if you guys are saying it was me typing that crap.


also krn track star come down here and talk smack in front of me seriously. i really love to see you try wooping my ass. you talk big son.

so stfu before u get owned.

^Let's calm down guys. Keep this up and either both of you get warned or lose your posting privileges for a week.

In any case, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE EAGLES?? I was like O_O when I saw the final score.