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The Official DSLR/DRF Threadⓥ Let's talk about photography

#2151 User is offline   raspberrii 

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 05:36 PM

I really love photography but am certainly no expert when it comes to DSLR Cameras. I have low budget to work with (less than 600, preferably in the low 500's and below) and and not looking to edit much for now since I'm just a beginner. I love taking macro and outdoor wildlife shots as well as spontaneous street shots. But I am totally clueless when it come to what camera do i get?
I've looked at reviews of the Nikon D40 and i think its a great camera but my only concern is i really need an LCD display.
So are there any suggestions?
My other two considerations so far based upon online research were Olympus E-410 and Pentax K200D. But I'm open to anything!

Also, on a side note, sorry if this sounds like a stupid question: How does one take a blurred sort of picture like this (ive heard something about long exposure, but what does that really mean in simple english?)


Just interested. Is it too advanced for a beginner?

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#2152 User is offline   erure 

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE (raspberrii @ Oct 13 2008, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really love photography but am certainly no expert when it comes to DSLR Cameras. I have low budget to work with (less than 600, preferably in the low 500's and below) and and not looking to edit much for now since I'm just a beginner. I love taking macro and outdoor wildlife shots as well as spontaneous street shots. But I am totally clueless when it come to what camera do i get?
I've looked at reviews of the Nikon D40 and i think its a great camera but my only concern is i really need an LCD display.
So are there any suggestions?
My other two considerations so far based upon online research were Olympus E-410 and Pentax K200D. But I'm open to anything!

Also, on a side note, sorry if this sounds like a stupid question: How does one take a blurred sort of picture like this (ive heard something about long exposure, but what does that really mean in simple english?)

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1..._1527R-0716.jpg
Just interested. Is it too advanced for a beginner?

^credits to superstock.co.uk

What do you mean? The Nikon D40 does come with an LCD display... mellow.gif

Oh, and Olympus released the E-420 (I have it -- it is the smallest DSLR camera currently) so you might want to get that instead of the E-410 if you consider it. Nikon D40 and Olympus E-420 are both good cameras (I don't know much about the Pentax, but it's probably just as good) -- what matters is that Nikon has more lenses than Olympus right now, and they shoot in different formats (Nikon: 3:2 Olympus: 4:3).

The last photo you can take with a long exposure, which basically means a long shutter speed (usual snapshots are around 1/100 second, but long shutter speed means 5, 10, even 30 seconds -- tripod is required)

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#2153 User is offline   Angie 

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 06:30 PM

Hey guys! Long time no see. I've been very busy with school lately, but here are some photos I've taken over the past week.

I still use my lovely Rebel XT. Currently thinking about upgrading to a 40d, but mostly focusing on saving some money so that I can get a decent external flash and glass.











Those were resized by Flickr, but to view them larger, click here. I've been experimenting with using RAW, and I really enjoy working with it. Anyways, yeah.

So how is everyone?

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I've looked at reviews of the Nikon D40 and i think its a great camera but my only concern is i really need an LCD display.


Hmm, as erure stated before me, the Nikon D40 does, in fact, have an LCD display. DSLRs normally do. Unless you're talking about live view?

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 06:34 PM

^Hehe thank you laugh.gif

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Here's a photo I took at Yellowstone National Park


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Posted 13 October 2008 - 07:48 PM

QUOTE (epark1281 @ Oct 13 2008, 06:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
for those of you who enjoy taking portait shots, do you prefer to use a nice telephoto lens, or a lens with a rediculously low F stop number?
i've been debating this for quite some time, in fact, it's not even a question of just shooting portraits, it's probably more about controlling DoF.
Do you folks prefer to have those wiiiide open lenses? Or to control DoF with focal length?


I like using wide aperture lens for portraits. I love bokeh haha.

Here's one I took today. Ice cream cake ftw.


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Posted 14 October 2008 - 07:34 AM

The icecream cake is awesome. How does the legs hold up?
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 03:54 PM

QUOTE (erure @ Oct 13 2008, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^Hehe thank you laugh.gif

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 04:57 PM

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i don't know if this is where to post his but whateverr. XD
okay, well my question is i'm just beginning to get interested in photography, and i am currently owning a plain old digital camera.
and since Christmas is coming up, i was wondering if there's any camera i could get that is affordable (maybe under 300?) and isn't very professional, since i am still a noob.
I am considering the Kodak Z1012 but i need to buy a recharable battery seperate so yeah. >.<


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Posted 14 October 2008 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE (mnmadi @ Oct 13 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
do you guys have any guidelines for shooting in manual mode in different lighting conditions?

I never know what aperture/shutter speed combination to use... my pictures always come out severely over or underexposed sleep.gif


I would recommend (even to beginners) that they master the concepts of aperture and shutter speed, how they affect each other, and how they are used. Getting the exposure correct is the simplest task among other things. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but you just need to make sure the exposure meter is generally in the center??
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 08:47 AM

QUOTE (BrocadeFabric @ Oct 14 2008, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would recommend (even to beginners) that they master the concepts of aperture and shutter speed, how they affect each other, and how they are used. Getting the exposure correct is the simplest task among other things. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but you just need to make sure the exposure meter is generally in the center??


the exposure meter is good, but i also check the histogram as well. i try to look for a bell curve ideally, but in tricky lighting situations there can be lots of extremes. but still, depending on what you're trying to capture, the histogram will give you a good idea of whether it'll come out ok when you download it to your pc for editing or printing.

also, there is no single exposure setting for a given shot. you can get the same exposure using 2.8 @ 1/100s or 5.6 @ 1/25s. however, the image result wont be the same. you may see more bokeh with the 2.8 shot, and you may capture more 'action' with the 25s shot. you get a different type of exposure depending on your settings, and it really comes down to what kind of effect you are going for. ISO, in that sense, not only allows you to take lower light pictures, but also allows flexibility in the type of exposure you want, almost like ND filters.

bryan peterson refers to this difference in types of exposure as creative exposure. you can get the proper exposure in different ways, and it allows one to creatively capture a shot from a unique perspective that another may not necessarily see initially.

that said, simply getting enough light in is a simple task. use the light meter and verify with the histogram when applicable. but getting the 'creative' exposure that you want, that requires a lot of experience and an eye for unique perspectives.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 12:05 PM

QUOTE (nK)Duke @ Oct 14 2008, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The icecream cake is awesome. How does the legs hold up?


Those are waffle cones hehe.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 12:28 PM

^ I know.. thats fundamental knowledge... but based on the original post, the user had issues getting greatly over/under exposed shots. It didnt seem to be a matter of creative exposure but just getting a ball park correct exposure when in manual mode. Didnt seem like the user even knew how to do that. Taking any "creativity" out of the picture, it just seemed the user didn't know how to set the aperture and shutter speed in any knowing combination to produce a normal exposed shot. I could be wrong, but thats exactly how the post reads. Can't believe you "noobed" me with that response... haha
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE (BrocadeFabric @ Oct 15 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ I know.. thats fundamental knowledge... but based on the original post, the user had issues getting greatly over/under exposed shots. It didnt seem to be a matter of creative exposure but just getting a ball park correct exposure when in manual mode. Didnt seem like the user even knew how to do that. Taking any "creativity" out of the picture, it just seemed the user didn't know how to set the aperture and shutter speed in any knowing combination to produce a normal exposed shot. I could be wrong, but thats exactly how the post reads. Can't believe you "noobed" me with that response... haha


lol... i didnt see the original person's post. only part i read was the part you quoted... so... my bad!! laugh.gif

if that's the case then... i'd say put the camera in P mode, keep note of the settings and copy those into manual mode and tweak as necessary. biggrin.gif
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 03:50 PM

QUOTE (mnmadi @ Oct 13 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
do you guys have any guidelines for shooting in manual mode in different lighting conditions?

I never know what aperture/shutter speed combination to use... my pictures always come out severely over or underexposed sleep.gif


check your exposure meter (basically put the line in the middle) -- and either put your white balance on auto or change it with each different lighting situation. ISO, shutter speed, & aperture all effect your exposure. Honestly, I didn't shoot in manual until I got to school in August, but it's definitely something you should learn ^^
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 05:03 PM

Has anyone tried the panasonic g1 yet? It's the smallest dslr so far, a bit smaller than e-410.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 05:58 PM

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Has anyone tried the panasonic g1 yet? It's the smallest dslr so far, a bit smaller than e-410.

It's not out yet, and don't forget the E-420 (it's a tiny bit smaller and lighter than E-410 smile.gif)

Hmm. Apparently it will be available in red also. I don't know, it seems ridiculous in that color.


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Posted 17 October 2008 - 06:49 AM

According to dpreview.net, the e-410 is 10g lighter than the e-420.

The first Dslr with different colors YES!
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 09:36 AM

QUOTE (nK)Duke @ Oct 17 2008, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
According to dpreview.net, the e-410 is 10g lighter than the e-420.

The first Dslr with different colors YES!

does the G1 qualify as a DSLR?
Techinically, it does not have a mirror...
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 03:42 PM

^That's true... But I guess it is sort of a DSLR since it can switch lenses. I think that's the biggest qualification to being a DSLR...
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 04:38 PM

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does the G1 qualify as a DSLR?
Techinically, it does not have a mirror...


I guess not. They keep calling it a digi interchangeable lens camera. So basically it's full time live view in the viewfinder? One of the key points of a DSLR is being able to see through the lens. The live view won't be able to fully recreate the detail and dynamic range that you see with your own eyes.~~at least not yet.
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