[watcher]

I always felt that the Sony T line compacts were just...not up to snuff. My wife had both the T1 and the T100 (i think that's what it is).
The picture quality was just not that good. I've always felt that Canon P+S were the best on the market. Although you could get a sigma (but that costs considerably more).

yea, canon tops the other lines!!
and then there are freak of nature legendary cameras like the fuji f30!!! i still want one...

[erure]

Yeah I guess I'm the only one bitter about this because I have to lug around a 1Ds Mark III + 24-70mm f/2.8L and that's a sh_tload of stuff to carry. Plus I have friends who steal photos and don't credit me so I don't feel like doing it anymore (it = take many photos of friends, photoshop each one and upload to facebook or cyworld so that it can be stolen). I seriously miss my 5D. If I knew I was going to miss it this much I would have just waited until the 5D Mark II came out until I sold it, even if I had to take a cut in the sale price.

[watcher]

Yeah I guess I'm the only one bitter about this because I have to lug around a 1Ds Mark III + 24-70mm f/2.8L and that's a sh_tload of stuff to carry. Plus I have friends who steal photos and don't credit me so I don't feel like doing it anymore (it = take many photos of friends, photoshop each one and upload to facebook or cyworld so that it can be stolen). I seriously miss my 5D. If I knew I was going to miss it this much I would have just waited until the 5D Mark II came out until I sold it, even if I had to take a cut in the sale price.

my ultimate portable walkaround would be an xti + 30/1.4 HSM with a foldable paper bulb to fit onto the on-camera flash [to be used as a softbox]

btw... don't you watermark your photos with your name?

[erure]

^Yeah I do now because I learned my lesson.

[d0wne]

^the pictures are of them right? If they are, is it wrong for them to use it? I know I would get mad only if people take an image of mine and use it for commercial gain without some sort of credit given to me. I'm just saying, if you love photography and love taking pictures of people, I would be glad that they like it and that they would even use it to display how you yourself see them.

They probably ask you to take pictures of them without thinking because they think it's all easy. They don't know how much work you do to process them.

[erure]

^Yeah it is of them, but I just hate the fact that they don't even mention "Minji took this for me" or whatever. And you're right, they don't know how long it takes for me to process the photos from RAW or that I spent time freaking photoshopping their faces so that blemishes didn't show That's why I don't do it anymore -- if I have to, I just shoot in jpeg, and resize and watermark the photos only.

[d0wne]

I rarely fix blemishes unless it's a real photoshoot or when sometimes the pictures are just way to sharp and shows every single detail on the face. Sometimes I add stuff to people I don't like. Haha I'm shady like that.

But yeah, for me it works both ways. I'm glad when they use my photo and its a bonus when they mention it was taken by me. I'm also glad that at times they don't because to me, the picture really sucked haha.



Anyway, I should water mark my stuff. How did you design yours and how do you apply it? Did you make it into a PS action?

[erure]

^You mean my poopy little "photo by Minji Cho" tag? I experimented around... I used to have a big one with a photo of 5D and everything but it took focus off the photo so I stopped. I just made it into a high quality psd file and paste it in everytime. I tried to save it as an action but I couldn't because it can't open up files. Just make sure that your background is transparent when you make the watermark so that all you have to do is copy and paste, not cut out the background every time.

[awdark]

^Yeah it is of them, but I just hate the fact that they don't even mention "Minji took this for me" or whatever. And you're right, they don't know how long it takes for me to process the photos from RAW or that I spent time freaking photoshopping their faces so that blemishes didn't show That's why I don't do it anymore -- if I have to, I just shoot in jpeg, and resize and watermark the photos only.

I thought half the joys of a shot from a DSLR was to get a picture so sharp, detailed, and realistic that they will go woah those pores sure are visible!

[erure]

I thought half the joys of a shot from a DSLR was to get a picture so sharp, detailed, and realistic that they will go woah those pores sure are visible!

Not for girls -- we flip out

JoeyL is probably one of the best photographers out there right now -- I love his photographs and I can't believe he's only 18 years old. To be that young and already set on something (and so ridiculously good at it) is incredible. Someone said that JoeyL's works are inspirational and depressing at the same time and I totally agree -- I wish I could be half that good

[Tepper]

I actually prefer not to get credited on stuff like that. I find that the 'omg your photography is sooo cool!11!11' to be.. sort of numbingly bland after a while. So I'll just freely distro my casual shots without a care, if I actually need to, I can watermark, but for the most part nobody even wants to look at my important, artsy crap.

[dot1q]

i bought a point and shoot for this reason, but the point and shoot not getting any love right now. thus im selling it. also, for this reason i picked up the 24-105/4 IS over the 24-70/2.8. it makes one hell of a walkaround lens. even if i do buy the 24-70 someday, im keeping the 24-105/4.

i walk around with the 30D + 24-105/4 IS nowadays. once i get the 5D, i'll go by what i feel like. 24-105/4 IS + 5D when i'm expected to take pics when we're out. 50/1.4 + 5D when i'm out but people don't specifically ask me to take pics.

goodbye t2... i hope you sell!

I didn't realize the 24-105 had IS until I saw this post. Damn, now I'm contemplating between this and the 24-70. I'm selling my 17-55 this week. Posted it on Craigslist last week and got a response back within minutes. I need to make a decision asap as I won't have a regular walk around lense once I sell it.

[edit]
The following seems to be concensus about the 105 vs 70. How do I know if its a post recalled version or not? If the distortion issue is as big as it is portrayed to be, then that would be a show stopper.

- the flare issue before the recall (shouldnt matter since its been corrected)
- various distortion issues, especially on the wide end (the 24-70 is far better)
- the 24-70 lens hood arrangement is much more functional.

[erure]

^I have 24-70mm f/2.8L but I've only mounted a 24-105mm f/4L for a short period of time. I think every Canon photographer gets torn between those two lenses at some point (or gets both like watcher will). I love my 24-70mm f/2.8L -- it's probably my favorite lens. My photography mentor says all you need is a full frame camera and a 24-70mm f/2.8 and you're through with cameras and lenses for the rest of your life The worst thing about the 24-70mm is the weight. It's sooo ridiculously heavy. I can't last very long with 24-70 mounted on 1Ds Mark III. The hood makes the lens look really cool imo. Oh and the lens is weird because it sticks out when it's wide and goes in when it's long (usually lenses go the other way) -- if it had internal zoom that would've been even more awesome (it doesn't really matter though because the hood covers the zoom). Basically if size and weight are of any concern to you, then you should get 24-105 but if you don't mind the weight and you want the larger aperture, then 24-70. I think the aperture was what made me go to 24-70.

[dot1q]

^ Thanks. I'll most likely stick to my plan with the 24-70 but just wanted to make sure I'm making the right decision. I definitely do not want to ever get both as I don't really think its worth it considering how much overlap there is. My goal is that the 24-70 live on a 5D mkii and 70-200 live on my 40D so I will have a gap between 70-112 for now, but I think I can live with that. Ultimate goal would be to get another 5D (possibly older gen) to replace my 40D, then the gap would be gone and I would really have no use for the 24-105. Carrying two bodies and lense weight isn't an issue as it was my goal from the beginning.

Next debate is 50 1.2L vs 85 1.2L. Since I already have a 50 1.4, I guess the 85 would be the obvious choice?? I'm contemplating if I should get this along with the 5D mkii and 24-70. My wife is going to freak and have a heart attack. I'm planning on using my Newegg account with 12 month no interest and pay it off in small installments throughout the year so it wont look like I made a bulk purchase..haha. Only other lense I would need is a 16-35 2.8L (least priority). I KNOW I'm never going to buy them 200mm + zooms that go for thousands.

2 x 5D
50 1.4
85 1.2L
16-35 2.8L
24-70 2.8L
70-200 2.8L IS
180 Macro

Dream setup~!

[watcher]

^ Thanks. I'll most likely stick to my plan with the 24-70 but just wanted to make sure I'm making the right decision. I definitely do not want to ever get both as I don't really think its worth it considering how much overlap there is. My goal is that the 24-70 live on a 5D mkii and 70-200 live on my 40D so I will have a gap between 70-112 for now, but I think I can live with that. Ultimate goal would be to get another 5D (possibly older gen) to replace my 40D, then the gap would be gone and I would really have no use for the 24-105. Carrying two bodies and lense weight isn't an issue as it was my goal from the beginning.

Next debate is 50 1.2L vs 85 1.2L. Since I already have a 50 1.4, I guess the 85 would be the obvious choice?? I'm contemplating if I should get this along with the 5D mkii and 24-70. My wife is going to freak and have a heart attack. I'm planning on using my Newegg account with 12 month no interest and pay it off in small installments throughout the year so it wont look like I made a bulk purchase..haha. Only other lense I would need is a 16-35 2.8L (least priority). I KNOW I'm never going to buy them 200mm + zooms that go for thousands.

2 x 5D
50 1.4
85 1.2L
16-35 2.8L
24-70 2.8L
70-200 2.8L IS
180 Macro

Dream setup~!

it really depends on why you need a 2470 or 24105. for most, it comes down to whether you need speed or IS. the extra 70-105 range is also a great advantage. it's not about overlap as much as the convenience of a high quality lens that covers a larger range, which allows you to take more shots and also reduce lens exchange with the 70-200. [less gear to carry]. however, this shows just how much 1 extra stop is worth for those who need it. in the end, the question is not about the distortion, hood, etc. it's about whether or not it gets the shot and how consistently you can do it.

different lens even across the same focal length sometimes have two totally different purposes. that's IS vs F-stop for ya

[dot1q]

Ideally who wouldn't want both. However, if I had other gear to at least somewhat compensate for the shortcomings of either of the lenses, then that would be reason enough to not have to buy both. Basically my goal is to get maximum mileage with minimal gear while at the same time not compromising quality to a significant degree. I do agree that its a battle between IS vs F-stop but I can easily think of pros and cons for both and honestly I think I could live with either. Lack of either will produce just as much disadvantages given the scenario. I'm not trying to diminish the purpose of either, but if I had the option to buy another lense instead of getting both of these, then I think the former option is a lot more useful to me in real world application. If you think of it that way, then overlap of focal range and things like distortion are strong considerations if I had to consider "is it worth getting both or do I spend it on another lense".

[d0wne]

Hey minji, my god daughter's dad gave me a Canon 85mm 1.8 Could you add it to the list? Thanks!

[watcher]

Ideally who wouldn't want both. However, if I had other gear to at least somewhat compensate for the shortcomings of either of the lenses, then that would be reason enough to not have to buy both. Basically my goal is to get maximum mileage with minimal gear while at the same time not compromising quality to a significant degree. I do agree that its a battle between IS vs F-stop but I can easily think of pros and cons for both and honestly I think I could live with either. Lack of either will produce just as much disadvantages given the scenario. I'm not trying to diminish the purpose of either, but if I had the option to buy another lense instead of getting both of these, then I think the former option is a lot more useful to me in real world application. If you think of it that way, then overlap of focal range and things like distortion are strong considerations if I had to consider "is it worth getting both or do I spend it on another lense".

i dont think i've suggested to you to buy both lenses.

also, i think at the end of the day, you'll talk about bokeh, weight and other factors before something like distortion of that 2 of your lenses overlap partially. heck, i might even say ditch both and get a 50/1.4 or a 30/1.4 [if you decide to stick with 1.6x crop]. it'll give you nice, sharp photos that pop. this will fulfill your minimal gear philosophy easy. but of course, me thinks you're going through a bit of analysis paralysis and are starting to become one of those perfectionists who worry over even the minor factors when considering a lens.

if image quality is #1 no matter convenience or IS, i'll say 24-70 hands down. better bokeh, more pop. hopefully this fits you. otherwise, u gonna have to sell it and buy the other one... which is a small hassle

[edit] i think if i go absolute minimalist with gear, i'd get the 24/1.4 L, 50/1.4 and the 135/2 L and maybe an xti to use as a makeshift extender and 2nd body

[dot1q]

Another perk in favor for the 105 is if you buy it with the 5D mk ii as a kit, its $300 cheaper.

[erure]

Random: Anyone remember my package stolen incident? It was left on my doorstep for 1.5 hours and it was gone. It happened about 3 months ago I think. Anyway I had to file the missing package and go through all that (even sign legal documents "risking" me of perjury) and I finally got the package shipped and delivered today It was a Billingham camera bag by the way -- if it was something like the new 5D Mark II, I would have shot myself in the head a loooong time ago.