[jayjo]

looks good;; this is like kurosagi

[asianrice]

Wow. After watching the 8th episode with subs, I must say that by far it is my favorite episode. Trying to make everyone in the game happy.. I'm afraid her strategy won't work in the next round, but the fact that she came up with all of it herself made me really happy.

[losborrachos]

sorry guys, but with episode 8 i'm losing even more respect for her character... once akiyama started the whole schpiel abt ppl deserving what they get and nao got all wide-eyed i predicted exactly what would happen... well, first of all, maybe i'm the most negative person in the world, but there's no such thing as complete selflessness, especially with proven crooks like fukunaga and those other ppl around...

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nao needs to remember that those people got to the 2nd round because they couldn't withdraw and why? they spent their money (up to 100 mil) on beauty products, on their girlfriend, w/e, but the point is unlike nao who gave her money back to her teacher, these people got money from the 1st round, which means they took that money from SOMEONE ELSE who's now paying their debt to the company... so there are ppl out there who are killing themselves to pay their debt but instead nao chose to save these lowlives who didn't even think twice before betraying her... ridiculous

if she has the hots for akiyama and wants to follow him to round 3, be my guest, but if she doesn't wanna "profit the company" for goodness sake keep the money... you can save whoever you wanna save later when the whole liar game is done, but as of now no one is safe from the company and from each other... also, it's basically akiyama saving her ass... again. next time he might not be able to do the same. next time there may only be one winner. she can't keep relying on akiyama. the only way her character can be redeemed for me is if she can win the next game using her own brains... then she can make everyone happy if she wants to, whatever...

for me the only saving grace of this series is matsuda shota and the interaction between nao and akiyama... that last line "let's go home" that just made sitting through those painful 20 minutes of nao explaining what we already know kinda worth it..

[FiEnDmAkEr]

^ Haha, wow, you typed a lot ^^ Although maybe some of that should be in spoiler codes so that people who haven't seen it don't accidentally read it and... well... get... spoiled?

I agree with you about the 20 minute explanation- which was rather tedious- and the part when he said "let's go home" which I liked a lot, but I thought it was good that she was able to think of the plan

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to save everyone

on her own. And I'm happy she

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saved Eto. I mean, even though he did do all those bad things, he was still kind to her, right?

And, not all of them had spent their money on things so they had to go on to the next round. They all said that they didn't know that they would have to go to another round; everyone thought it had ended with that one round. And, given so much money with what they thought was no strings attached, they spent it. Before the money, they were just normal people.

Well.... hm. I don't know what I'm trying to say. Hopefully someone can un-confuse me, hahah. But, anyway, I kind of like how Nao sticks by her own principles of being honest even though everyone around her is being deceitful.

I just started watching right now & wow it's really good.
The man with the mask w/e reminds me of SAW o-o.........
This drama sort of reminds me of Kurosagi. [/font]

AHH, I know what you mean!!! That actually scared me a little bit at first because I always watch dramas late at night in the dark so when he popped up I was like, "AHH-SCARY-SAW-MANNNNN"

[losborrachos]

^oh yea sry i forgot... it's edited now and safe for consumption for new watchers... i just finished watching the episode and just typed as quickly as i could cos i was so frustrated... oh, and regarding round 2,

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i realize that those people didn't know there would be a round 2, but the point is they couldn't get out of round 2 because they couldn't pay the fee... basically because they spent whatever money they won in round 1 on beauty products etc (remember nao went around interviewing them to look for "x" and they told their supposed sob stories)... if they had been selfless in round 1 they wouldn't have any extra money to spend in the first place because either they wouldn't have taken anything from their opponent or they would have returned what they won to their opponents like nao did... as this was clearly not the case for most if not all of them, that had to mean they did manage to take whatever money they could from their opponents and mercilessly spent it on themselves, so at least 20 ppl now have debts toward the company from round 1 (this includes opponents of ppl from round 2 who didn't go to the resurrection round)... we don't see them on-screen of course but in nao's world they still very much exist, so if anything nao should've taken all the money she could get and pay all those ppl currently in debt... the resurrection people would only be paying for what they'd spent on beauty products etc so it IS well-deserved... instead they are being "saved" regardless of the crime they did toward their respective opponents in round 1 (and their subsequent crimes toward nao)...

forgive me but i don't really see how that's fair for anyone...

also i love the very last part where the SAW head on the screen is promoting the manga or w/e it is he's promoting... i'm always like "so much for him being mysterious and scary he's telling us to buy manga lolz"...

[sweetsmile]

^ yep yep. what you're saying is very true.

Nao is very naive and sees only things right in front of her eyes. I'm not saying i don't like her character.. i mean, as realistic this drama can be, this is from a manga right?

But seriously..watching this drama makes me think this whole game experience is the first time someone's ever told Nao the world is not fair.

Then again, i'm really happy Nao ACTUALLY did some thinking. Episode 8 was actually the best episode of Liar Game.

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I'm pretty sure Akiyama felt something when Nao told him she'll stay with him through the next game. It's just he doesn't want to show his feelings ^^

[lisajayne]

^ yep yep. what you're saying is very true.

Then again, i'm really happy Nao ACTUALLY did some thinking. Episode 8 was actually the best episode of Liar Game.

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I'm pretty sure Akiyama felt something when Nao told him she'll stay with him through the next game. It's just he doesn't want to show his feelings ^^

YEah, I thought that too

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But I also liked how the LG secretariat stated that the GAme allows for personal belongings, so its allowed for Akiyama to help Nao in the game. What is that implying??
AKiyama and Nao didn't even blink then.. made me go

[asianrice]

I don't know, Nao's naïve personality can be annoying at times, but I still don't really want her to change her perspective towards the world, that no one can be trusted (getting smarter is a different story). Being pulled into this game, I want to think that there's still one pure soul that they can never corrupt. Like in the mid of episode 8, I was afraid she was beginning to turn into everyone else.

[sweetsmile]

^I remember... i think it was the first episode?

When her teacher told her no one can be trusted and took all her money..
She was screaming in her room because her view of the world kinda fell apart.

I don't think she'll change in the drama. I'm beginning to think it's the whole theme of the drama, ne? Trusting others in this corrupted world. Akiyama's mother was also like Nao, which is the reason he even helped her in the first place.

[.moony.]

^oh yea sry i forgot... it's edited now and safe for consumption for new watchers... i just finished watching the episode and just typed as quickly as i could cos i was so frustrated... oh, and regarding round 2,

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i realize that those people didn't know there would be a round 2, but the point is they couldn't get out of round 2 because they couldn't pay the fee... basically because they spent whatever money they won in round 1 on beauty products etc (remember nao went around interviewing them to look for "x" and they told their supposed sob stories)... if they had been selfless in round 1 they wouldn't have any extra money to spend in the first place because either they wouldn't have taken anything from their opponent or they would have returned what they won to their opponents like nao did... as this was clearly not the case for most if not all of them, that had to mean they did manage to take whatever money they could from their opponents and mercilessly spent it on themselves, so at least 20 ppl now have debts toward the company from round 1 (this includes opponents of ppl from round 2 who didn't go to the resurrection round)... we don't see them on-screen of course but in nao's world they still very much exist, so if anything nao should've taken all the money she could get and pay all those ppl currently in debt... the resurrection people would only be paying for what they'd spent on beauty products etc so it IS well-deserved... instead they are being "saved" regardless of the crime they did toward their respective opponents in round 1 (and their subsequent crimes toward nao)...

forgive me but i don't really see how that's fair for anyone...

also i love the very last part where the SAW head on the screen is promoting the manga or w/e it is he's promoting... i'm always like "so much for him being mysterious and scary he's telling us to buy manga lolz"...

I don't think you got the whole point of the ep or at least what Nao was trying to do at all.
Those people deserved to be punished. That's correct. But the cycle will go on if everyone tries to hurt each other, thinking they deserve to feel the pain I go through too. That's why Nao's character is trying to stop this cycle by trying to tell people that "There's a way for everyone to be happy, if everyone stops being so selfish."
It wouldn't make much sense if she just goes ahead and lies to everyone else then makes them be drowned in debts. If it was, then I guess there's no need for a Nao character. The whole point of having Nao is to tell the world that people should be more kind and trust each other more. Yes this is a corrupted world, and what Nao is doing seems to be idealistic and it's not likely to be achieved in a day or two (or ever at all.) But without an idealistic goal in mind, how are humans supposed to improve?
Besides, when you hurt others, you are also hurting yourself. See what happens to those people who stole money from other contestants in round 1? now they are dying becuz of debts.
Im glad that Nao did what her heart told her to in this episode. I believe there are still some people like Nao who wants the best for everyone, and wouldn't try to hurt others the way people nowadays usually do.

[xSHADOW]

I just finished episodes 1-8 >___< I'm so hooked on it!
Nao is so naive sometimes that it gets really annoying =[.....poor girl, I like her honesty although it's too much at times.
In episode 8 she's getting a little smarter and less dependent which is good.
Some of those people that she helped didn't deserve it.....she can't win this game if she stays honest forever.
Her scene with Akiyama at the end was really cute haha "let's go home!"

[ptaj83]

I don't think you got the whole point of the ep or at least what Nao was trying to do at all.
Those people deserved to be punished. That's correct. But the cycle will go on if everyone tries to hurt each other, thinking they deserve to feel the pain I go through too. That's why Nao's character is trying to stop this cycle by trying to tell people that "There's a way for everyone to be happy, if everyone stops being so selfish."
It wouldn't make much sense if she just goes ahead and lies to everyone else then makes them be drowned in debts. If it was, then I guess there's no need for a Nao character. The whole point of having Nao is to tell the world that people should be more kind and trust each other more. Yes this is a corrupted world, and what Nao is doing seems to be idealistic and it's not likely to be achieved in a day or two (or ever at all.) But without an idealistic goal in mind, how are humans supposed to improve?
Besides, when you hurt others, you are also hurting yourself. See what happens to those people who stole money from other contestants in round 1? now they are dying becuz of debts.
Im glad that Nao did what her heart told her to in this episode. I believe there are still some people like Nao who wants the best for everyone, and wouldn't try to hurt others the way people nowadays usually do.

i totally agree with you.

the game is called LIAR GAME and they're looking for the king of liars which it seems to be akiyama and the game people told akiyama that nao is needed in the game she has a purpose thats why she got drafted in it. she lured akiyama but she's also his counterpart, he sees the dark and shady side of life and she sees the light. its like yin and yang but her naivete is what keeps her from being like akiyama, she wants to see the best in people and she can inspire the change needed for the game, its not about winning..

i don't know maybe i'm wrong

[Precarious]

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Yay! Nao did something
Her explaination was pretty tedious though
Akiyama seems to care for Nao a lot,
I felt kind of sorry for the other players when he was taking all their money
I never really found Nao annoying
3 hour finale, does that mean it ends at 2am in Japan?

About dramas with Johnny Boys in,
I'm guilty of watching them
But I think I initially started watching this because of Toda and Shota too
Usually I won't continue watching the drama if their acting or the actual drama is bad

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Except My Boss, My Hero and Tatta Hitotsu no Koi because they weren't the main characters

[losborrachos]

I don't think you got the whole point of the ep or at least what Nao was trying to do at all.
Those people deserved to be punished. That's correct. But the cycle will go on if everyone tries to hurt each other, thinking they deserve to feel the pain I go through too. That's why Nao's character is trying to stop this cycle by trying to tell people that "There's a way for everyone to be happy, if everyone stops being so selfish."
It wouldn't make much sense if she just goes ahead and lies to everyone else then makes them be drowned in debts. If it was, then I guess there's no need for a Nao character. The whole point of having Nao is to tell the world that people should be more kind and trust each other more. Yes this is a corrupted world, and what Nao is doing seems to be idealistic and it's not likely to be achieved in a day or two (or ever at all.) But without an idealistic goal in mind, how are humans supposed to improve?
Besides, when you hurt others, you are also hurting yourself. See what happens to those people who stole money from other contestants in round 1? now they are dying becuz of debts.
Im glad that Nao did what her heart told her to in this episode. I believe there are still some people like Nao who wants the best for everyone, and wouldn't try to hurt others the way people nowadays usually do.

i totally agree with you.

the game is called LIAR GAME and they're looking for the king of liars which it seems to be akiyama and the game people told akiyama that nao is needed in the game she has a purpose thats why she got drafted in it. she lured akiyama but she's also his counterpart, he sees the dark and shady side of life and she sees the light. its like yin and yang but her naivete is what keeps her from being like akiyama, she wants to see the best in people and she can inspire the change needed for the game, its not about winning..

i don't know maybe i'm wrong

i guess it all boils down to how much fate you have in people... it's all lovely and warm and fuzzy that nao wants to create this utopia where nobody lies or cheats (and this may well be the case in future episodes... this IS fiction, after all)... but in the real world, that kind of naivete won't get you anywhere... not everyone can and is willing to redeem himself just like that, especially in a group of 9 ppl who have cheated their way through life before (some more than others)... it also comes down to your perception of justice. for me personally, those people deserve to be in debt for the money they spent after the first round... whether or not they will be happy or touched or sympathetic toward nao in the third round (and who's to guarantee they do now?) is irrelevant... and the other thing is, there are ways to get the people who deserve it in debt without profiting the company at all, and nao either didn't think of it (highly possible) or simply chose not to go that route... i agree that her character serves its function in the series, but that doesn't mean i have to like that kind of character...

i'm guessing the whole purpose of this drama is lost on me, because for the life of me i don't know how i can respect that kind of stupidity...

[DDuk]

i found these pictures... they were from a magazine i supose...



^so cute together! ^^;



^erika looks so cute in the backround!
does anyone know where this came from? it looks like a tv program. and if it is subbed give me a link to it?

[.moony.]

^ why does shota always look so ugly in the pictures!! grrr he doesnt look that bad on screen at all poor boy

About dramas with Johnny Boys in,
I'm guilty of watching them
But I think I initially started watching this because of Toda and Shota too
Usually I won't continue watching the drama if their acting or the actual drama is bad

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Except My Boss, My Hero and Tatta Hitotsu no Koi because they weren't the main characters

My boss my hero is really cool. I think he's one of the pretty boys that can act very well ^^ havent seen the other one tatta....

i guess it all boils down to how much fate you have in people... it's all lovely and warm and fuzzy that nao wants to create this utopia where nobody lies or cheats (and this may well be the case in future episodes... this IS fiction, after all)... but in the real world, that kind of naivete won't get you anywhere... not everyone can and is willing to redeem himself just like that, especially in a group of 9 ppl who have cheated their way through life before (some more than others)... it also comes down to your perception of justice. for me personally, those people deserve to be in debt for the money they spent after the first round... whether or not they will be happy or touched or sympathetic toward nao in the third round (and who's to guarantee they do now?) is irrelevant... and the other thing is, there are ways to get the people who deserve it in debt without profiting the company at all, and nao either didn't think of it (highly possible) or simply chose not to go that route... i agree that her character serves its function in the series, but that doesn't mean i have to like that kind of character...

i'm guessing the whole purpose of this drama is lost on me, because for the life of me i don't know how i can respect that kind of stupidity...

Yes the thing is do you have faith in people? Some people are optimistic in life and some are just pessimistic.
It's like if someone kills your brother because they made a mistake in this or that. Will you forgive him because it wasn't exactly his intention to kill your brother (but he did make the mistake) or will you wish he would die for the mistake he made?
It all depends on what you think is the right answer.
Nao belongs to the few people that would be willing to open her arms and forgive people.

[losborrachos]

^yea sorry i mean faith, my spelling is getting worse and worse lately idk why... like i said, maybe i don't have as much faith as you guys do, maybe i grew up in a place where you can't really trust people... but even then, can you honestly say if someone kills your sibling you absolutely won't wish that person harm? even if it wasn't his intention? think about it, this is your sibling... eventually yes, i can learn to forgive the person if he really does regret it even if it was his intention to kill my brother, but otherwise, why should i? one thing though, it will certainly take more than five minutes to know if i can forgive a person for something like that, and more than a simple, "no! no! i can't be in debt! please help me!!"

there's forgiveness, there's naivete, and there's ignorance... love is not all we need (but then again the fab four were probably high when they sang that)... of course this is how i feel about nao and you guys can agree with me or not...

[asianrice]

About dramas with Johnny Boys in,
I'm guilty of watching them
But I think I initially started watching this because of Toda and Shota too
Usually I won't continue watching the drama if their acting or the actual drama is bad

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Except My Boss, My Hero and Tatta Hitotsu no Koi because they weren't the main characters

Ehh, what do you mean "they weren't the main characters".. you do realize that Tomoya Nagase is a Johnny, right? xD

[FiEnDmAkEr]

Ehh, what do you mean "they weren't the main characters".. you do realize that Tomoya Nagase is a Johnny, right? xD

Haha, yeah, and Kame is also a -very very popular- Johnny and was the main character of Tatta Hitotsu no Koi ^^... next to Ayase Haruka but she's not a Johnny, obviously, xD.

@ DDuk, thanks for the pics! They're very cute ^^ OHH, I know this show! I just can't think of the name right now... I know Pi and Junno were on it a while ago to promote Prodai and Hanayome to Papa because I recognize the TV screen and the people behind Shota are from Prodai: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQhn6quRlUQ Hahaha. Hope that helps someone.

This faith topic is very deep, now @_@ I'll probably have to think about it a lot before I write anything because right now I'm all bleh and muddled with these finals coming up ><

In any case, I hope that episode 9 comes out soon! I need more Liar Game~

PS: any theories as to

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the psychic

in episode 9? I think

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he probably isn't really a psychic but is one of those people who can "read" others and knows how they'll react; like in Kurosagi with the cold readings and the hot readings. What do you think?

[.moony.]

^ the psychic in ep 9 looks stupid to me lol maybe cuz his face is kinda funny actin all serious

^yea sorry i mean faith, my spelling is getting worse and worse lately idk why... like i said, maybe i don't have as much faith as you guys do, maybe i grew up in a place where you can't really trust people... but even then, can you honestly say if someone kills your sibling you absolutely won't wish that person harm? even if it wasn't his intention? think about it, this is your sibling... eventually yes, i can learn to forgive the person if he really does regret it even if it was his intention to kill my brother, but otherwise, why should i? one thing though, it will certainly take more than five minutes to know if i can forgive a person for something like that, and more than a simple, "no! no! i can't be in debt! please help me!!"

there's forgiveness, there's naivete, and there's ignorance... love is not all we need (but then again the fab four were probably high when they sang that)... of course this is how i feel about nao and you guys can agree with me or not...

Oh yea I knew u were talkin bout faith and I was just sayin like it depends on if people have faith in each other or not.
I actually read this book about forgiveness. It has real stories of people who have had their family murdered etc and they end up forgiving the criminals, because the book is mainly about the power of forgiving and being able to forgive is harder than getting revenge and how it can change a criminal etc. I personally don't think I will forgive people if they kill my family lol, and I personally will never be like Nao, so the truth is that I'm in the same shoe as you, but I'm just saying how the drama is telling people that in order for this corrupted world to change, you have to hav the power of love and forgiveness (like how Nao forgave those people who betrayed her.) I feel like it's saying "there needs to be more trust and faith between humans, like how we used to before." And even though mostly everyone nowadays is selfish, there are certain people who will surely stay to gain back the trust and faith between people.
I guess my whole point is that even though I hate stupid ignorant Nao in ep 7 lol, I guess we still need more people like her ^^