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Posted 18 June 2009 - 06:45 PM

QUOTE (Bamidele @ Jun 17 2009, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got my contract yesterday and will most likely FedEx it tomorrow. I was thinking to fly out August 21 and get there on the 22nd. I figure that gives me a day to settle in before most of the other teachers come. Since most likely they would plan on the 23rd.

It seems even if we come on the 22nd they will pick us up and take us to the orientation place.



Yup, they'll ship ya out there in a big van. It's in MIDDLE OF NOWHERE of Bundang, though, so it'll take forever to get there. Maybe an hour, hour and a half, or two hours depending on the traffic? I was 3 days late to orientation so someone from my previous job had to drive me there. We got epically lost and it took us like...6 hours. sad.gif We were stopping at every police box and asking, "Do you know where this place is?" So many people have never heard of it because it's so secluded.

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 07:29 PM

It seems most people aren't fond of this orientation location. I heard they don't even let you leave the building. I'm guessing it will be campish with roommates, questionable food, and not so wonderful lectures.

It still feels unreal to me..I guess it won't feel real until I am in the plane:)

It would be pretty cool to do a Soompi get together!
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Posted 18 June 2009 - 08:45 PM

QUOTE (Bamidele @ Jun 18 2009, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It seems most people aren't fond of this orientation location. I heard they don't even let you leave the building. I'm guessing it will be campish with roommates, questionable food, and not so wonderful lectures.

It still feels unreal to me..I guess it won't feel real until I am in the plane:)

It would be pretty cool to do a Soompi get together!



It didn't start to feel real to me until I was curling my hair on the morning of my college graduation. I all of a sudden freaked out. Before, it had just been "when I finish college, I'll go to Korea." But now, I was hours away from finishing college and it would just be, "I AM going to Korea." It hit me again when I was checking my luggage at Dulles International Airport.

Well, I was the first orientation at the Hyundai Learning Center, so they let us leave...but I heard that the ones after us they made everyone stay in because there were too many drunk foreigners stumbling around everywhere. The food was fine--your typical Korean cafeteria fare. There was only 1 lecture that I enjoyed and it was by this South African dude who will probably do it again (he seems to do a lot of them? I think his name is Dave? Or Dan?). The rest were pointless.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 07:24 PM

Hi. Does anyone have experience teaching for Princeton Review in Korea or are going to? If you do, then can you pm me with some info about it? I got offered a position there and some info about personal experience would be nice. Thanks!
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 03:16 PM

I got into the TaLK program! :]] anyone else going this summer?
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 01:18 AM

when you get your 4 year degree, do they look at every grade on your transcript when they go over it? -________- i'm a sophmore in college and i got some pretty bad grades in freshmen year .. so it kinda screwed up my GPA.. i plan on raising my GPA of course, but just wondering .. kinda scared lol..
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 06:31 AM

HEY

I was wondering if any one is a UK person who currently has experience?

I am stil lat University studying for a BA (hons) degree and have thought about teaching in Korea
Probably like little kids ~ I am going to learn the language too

I still have 2 years of University.
I was just wondering do you find the agencies in Korea or were they agencies in where you lived who set it up for you??

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 05:42 PM

QUOTE (lil_miss_kawaii @ Jun 22 2009, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HEY

I was wondering if any one is a UK person who currently has experience?

I am stil lat University studying for a BA (hons) degree and have thought about teaching in Korea
Probably like little kids ~ I am going to learn the language too

I still have 2 years of University.
I was just wondering do you find the agencies in Korea or were they agencies in where you lived who set it up for you??

thanks smile.gif




Hm, what do you mean? It doesn't matter if you are from the UK or America--the policy for hiring is the same. There is so much information regarding the questions you've poised that could easily be answered if you read the thread or did some simple googling.

By the way, I have a lot of British friends working here.

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 02:00 AM

After 4 years of living and working here, without much of a vacation for a while, here's the low-down (as from what I have accumulated)

1. Live in Seoul. I say this because though some places reasonably close to Seoul are very nice, most everyone you meet will want to take a trip to Seoul almost every weekend (since that's where people go to party, both Foreigners and Koreans).

2. Learn Korean, at least some so you can get by. I STILL have friends who can't really speak it, or don't want to speak it. They've been here a good while too. The thing is, if someone is speaking in English while everyone else speaks in Korea, you tend to get a lot of glares from older people, and the occasional to frequent "be quiet" or "shhhh" as loud as they can to let you know that though they too are speaking loudly, they do not want to hear English. If you drop in some Korean now and then, they leave you alone. If you're around the working-class, this happens a lot.

3. People drink a lot here. If you enjoy drinking socially, you might be in for some major culture shock. Most people drink daily, starting around lunch time. If you see a group of older men, don't be surprised to see then pounding the soju at 12pm. A LOT of people tend to get wasted on a nightly basis. Either drinking with buddies, drinking with coworkers, to team drinking (which means big groups from businesses go out drinkin). Some business students I've had aren't too happy with doing that on a weekly basis. They might go out for a few drinks, but if they see their boss, they gotta drink themselves silly.

4. NEVER get into any sort of argument/fight with an 아쭈마. You just won't win. You will hear old people yelling a lot, but they're just being loud and animated. There are those of the younger generation that are starting to not show the loud, obnoxious older people little to no respect these days. They're becoming a little more "independent" but actually, theyre just not caring (or being lazy).

5. If you love kids, and I mean you love them like they're your own and can do no wrong, then work with them. If you like kids, don't work with them if they're under middle school/jr. high age. I've taught kinder-6th grade these past 4 years. I've never lost so much patience as when I've taught some of these kids. If you work in a poor area, they kids tend to be well-behaved. Rich kids tend to think they can walk all over you because chances are their parents raise them that way.

6. If you work in a hagwon, expect a lot of last minute announcements on a daily basis. generally, "hagwon managers" always think of something at the last minute (poor planning), and they dump it onto you "we need to get all of this done by next week" sort of thing. It'll constantly happen, so don't get stressed over it.

7. If you plan to stay here for more than a year, think about finding your own place. SOME schools will find you decent housing. Most will find you some place that might be underground, and next to a sewer line.

8. Though North Korea always does something to get attention, most Koreans generally don't care anymore. It's become second nature to them. But when something happens and it's "done" by a foreign teacher, some of those same people demand blood (journalism here is about as truthful as Milli Vanilli singing live back in the day).


Ok, that's some of the negatives...here's some of the positives:

1. generally, if you live in a city, things are very accessible, and very convenient. you can sometimes set your watch to the subway and bus system here.

2. most things are very inexpensive...unless it's imported or designer-grade material. Sometimes it's just an exchange rate conversion.

3. people are more health conscious these days. You will see more people going to gyms than you might expect back home, or even back in college.

4. Most of the friends you meet here will become closer with you than you are with your friends right now.

5. It's very hard to leave, even with all the negative things, it's very hard to do it (unless you come only to make money)

6. there are always teaching jobs available. If your job treats you horribly, then get a new one, don't worry about the visa stuff, just get a letter of release from where you work and take it to immigration along with the new contract.

7. learn korean, and you will not only make native korean friends, but you will also make very good connections down the road, and in this country, it's not really about what you can do, but who you know, or what circles you are involved with.


I got a feeling i've said this before....but this time it's 4 years instead of 2 (or whatever)

oh yeah, recruiters will try and give you horrid jobs, so if you go through them and don't search, you will wind up at some place that treats you like a slave. I recommend English Spectrum and Work n Play
(Dave's isnt that good anymore)

Good luck, Happy hunting, and above all.....just play it cool
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Posted 23 June 2009 - 09:11 AM

So I was talking to my recruiter and they were telling me to book my flight now because they are not sending the VISA package till August. They said to try and use a travel agent in the hopes that I can book it now and pay for it later.

My questions are did anyone use a travel agent or know of a good agency to use? Do they let you book it and pay later? Or should I just buy my ticket on my own? I am seeing tickets for $643 on cheaptickets.com and that seems like a good deal to me.

I just don't want to buy the ticket and then not be able to get my money if something happens with the visa process..like a delay or something. Any advice would be appreciated!
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Posted 23 June 2009 - 08:07 PM

Trejitin sounds like a wise person, giving us good advice.
I'm Ashleigh, the one who always wrote really inexperienced and primitive questions about
teaching English. It's like a dream come true, actually being and living in Korea now. Yeah- you
heard right I'm finally here in a city called Chungju just south of Seoul.
I tried getting into several hakwons with just an associate degree- which led to the problem of
lawless visa problems. They told me that you can either work with an 1)E2 or 2)F4. The first E2 visa
applies to only Bachelor grad foreigners. The F4 is a little easier about its qualifications/credentials
I forget the exact details. But it comes down to the bottom line of having a 4 year degree or not.
If you don't have one, the best you could do in Korea with just a 2 year is teacher's assistant- same as
in the States but I mean, who would want to pursue that when you can just go on with 2 more years
and land a great job as a teacher. It's really the best choice. So, don't overlook that option of obtaining
your 4 year first. It'll get you so much further in life here. You get 200% more respect that way.
I'll keep you guys posted on how this goes for me... thanks for all the good advice on this post...
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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:16 AM

Hey- so yeah I wrote the upper half when I was inside the New Yorker Internet Cafe this morning.
At around 12 I headed out all the way to Seoul a 2hr bus drive, and made a decision to attend that
school starting 1st semester of March. I'm so excited...
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Posted 25 June 2009 - 12:01 AM

hmm i didnt know there was a topic about this...

anyways, recently i got this idea i wanted to go to korea to teach English and my friend recommended me CDI because that's where she worked for 2 years. but then i came here and everyone kinda freaked me out how prestigious CDI is and you need to be a grad from a really nice college.

so my situation is that i grad from just a regular 4 year art college. will i have a chance at CDI?
i have never been a teacher to anyone in my life. i still act like a kid myself... anyways!!! do i need like special training or skills to do this?

i really dont want to go through 40+ pages so can someone point me to other legit companies that i may have a shot at?

and what visa am i suppose to get? E2? what does that do?? what's F4?? but it says on CDI that i shouldnt get a F4 if i'm a male because they might draft me into service. WTF

thanks guys
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Posted 25 June 2009 - 03:00 AM

QUOTE (the.elephant @ Jun 25 2009, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hmm i didnt know there was a topic about this...

anyways, recently i got this idea i wanted to go to korea to teach English and my friend recommended me CDI because that's where she worked for 2 years. but then i came here and everyone kinda freaked me out how prestigious CDI is and you need to be a grad from a really nice college.

so my situation is that i grad from just a regular 4 year art college. will i have a chance at CDI?
i have never been a teacher to anyone in my life. i still act like a kid myself... anyways!!! do i need like special training or skills to do this?

i really dont want to go through 40+ pages so can someone point me to other legit companies that i may have a shot at?

and what visa am i suppose to get? E2? what does that do?? what's F4?? but it says on CDI that i shouldnt get a F4 if i'm a male because they might draft me into service. WTF

thanks guys


CDI isnt all it's cracked up to be.
From my understanding (and it might still be true today),there will be 3 month spurts where you work 7 days a week
They're a huge chain here, and as such, they see 원나민 선생님들 (native english teachers) as easy to obtain commodities. Their reputation is better than that of say Wonderland, or YBM ECC, but they aren't the best.

For most jobs, if you have a real diploma from a 4 year University, you can get any job in Korea.

an F4 visa is for someone who is Korean/of Korean descent (possibly "pure" Korean, I'm not entirely sure), but is not a Native-born Korean (ie Korean-American, Korean-Canadian, etc). it also means if you are Korean, you would be obliged to do your 2 years mandatory service if you are on Korean soil.

the E2 visa is the standard teaching visa which has a lot of hoops for people to jump through andlots of red tape to deal with. It was much easier a few years back until the govt decided that "all native teachers abuse drugs, are AIDS-infested, and molest children" (poor journalism...the term is "yellow journalism" and it has no racial context despite what some might believe, it's where "reporters" or "newspapers" make outlandish headlines and stories to sell papers. The US did it a lot during most war-time days in the long-forgotten past, like the Spanish-American war) which means we must provide a criminal background check, a medical health check and HIV check, have a drug test, and pass an interview to be deemed "native speakers." To think, prior to dec '07, immigration selected E2 visa recipients out of a "big hat"-like contraption (generally, anyone could get an E2, even people with fake diplomas)

Most legit companies.....as in Hagwons? if you find a legit one, you're pretty lucky. the things to realize is, most hagwons try to take money from you one way or another. Instead of going through a recruiter, check out worknplay.co.kr or englishspectrum.net for jobs. there are plenty of job postings there, and they do not always happen to be the ones recruiters offer you.

I've heard that "Kids College" isnt bad, nor is CDI (just long hours). ECC is no cakewalk, Wonderland is failing, Avalon thinks ALL of it's English teahers have the Swine Flu, and SLP likes to spy on your classes thanks to CCTV.

to learn more, there's always people posting on Dave's ESL cafe (in the korean job forums>job-related discussions), you can ALWAYS find someone asking questions about schools, or places to stay away from.

I went through a recruiter my firsttime, and got stuck with Wonderland. That was not a pleasant experience. try to do as much research as you can before accepting any recruiter's offer
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Posted 11 July 2009 - 07:52 AM

Hi, guys (in particular treijiten who offers good information, lol). I am thinking about going to Korea for a year as well. I am mostly concerned about the opportunities to make money. My cousin works at CDI at the moment and says she can probably hook me up with a job. But how much does CDI usually offer? How much money should I be looking at with Korean hakwons or public schools, for that matter? More importantly, what is the whole deal about tutoring or teaching at camps alongside working at a hakwon/school? Can you make a lot of money? Is it legal? I am a 2nd gen. Korean. Would I get treated with disrespect?

Are jobs that teach high schoolers or college kids at hakwons difficult to obtain?

Lastly, what about reneging your contract if you wished to leave before your contract period? What are the ramifications?
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Posted 11 July 2009 - 08:43 PM



CDI works their people really hard. I have a few friends at CDI and they don't finish work until 10:30 PM, they have to work on Saturdays, they only have 10 days of vacation, etc. They're all quitting after this year. Oh, and one of their bosses was insane and tried to fire them all, then took it back the next day and was like "why aren't you here? Get back to ****ing work."

As for money, they all make less than I do (I work for SMOE) and they all put in a LOT more hours than me. If you like waking up late, then a hagwon like CDI is fine, but keep in mind...if your classes start at 4, you still need to show up early for prep time, and you don't leave until 10 or 10:30. My friends thought it was great at first because they could drink on weekdays and sleep in, but they hate it now because we're all busy in the morning/afternoon and we go drinking after work...when they are still working. Even on Fridays, they don't get out until 10:30, so they are always late to dinners and parties.

Also, as someone mentioned, CDI isn't really prestigious. It's a hagwon, so it's automatically treated with suspicion by a lot of Koreans and foreigners alike. My friends who work there went to normal colleges and got accepted just fine.

Do you need special skills? Um, yeeeah....you're going to be a teacher. You can't act like a kid and expect your kids to always love and respect you. They may like you, but they will still get bored and disrespectful if you lack good teaching skills. Controlling a classroom of kids can be hell. Thinking up new and interesting lesson plans to get all levels motivated is extremely difficult sometimes. You can't just waltz in and expect all the kids to fall in line and start spouting off perfect English sentences.

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 12:11 AM

I have a question, Can I teach English in Korea for 3-6 months only? Are they still going to pay my airfare and accomodations and stuff?

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 03:35 AM

dave's esl cafe isn't my favorite place. you may be able to glean some useful info from those forums but you'll have to dig through a lot of comments from people who don't really like korea. lol, but i can kind of understand now.

i've worked at a hagwon part-time (while doing my full-time teaching at a middle school) and i wouldn't choose to work at a hagwon. hagwon teachers are busiest when the rest of the population is on vacation or having a holiday. your best bet would be to work at a regular school.

oh and for those korean-americans, pretend you cannot speak ANY korean. it might be fun to converse with the teachers and students casually sometimes but they WILL take advantage of it. i know i sound pessimistic but people are less willing to try to clarify things in english if they think you can understand the language. the students will even stop using simple english sentences if you let them know you can understand their korean.

teaching is one of the hardest jobs out there. and one of the least appreciated. it is NOT a cakewalk. especially when half the students don't understand what you are saying.
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Posted 12 July 2009 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE (MyFishySarangHAEyo @ Jul 12 2009, 03:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a question, Can I teach English in Korea for 3-6 months only? Are they still going to pay my airfare and accomodations and stuff?

Thanx!



For 3-6 months? It's not very likely they will include airfare. You can teach at a camp during summer/winter, but they probably won't offer a flight and the camp will be only around 2 months.

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 05:53 PM

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Thank you.
where can I get the information on those camps? I tried looking in English Village website, but for some reason, I couldn't find the page that will linked me to their available positions. Can I apply to those camps through KoreaConnection?
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