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Post icon  Posted 11 April 2007 - 02:45 AM


i just had my first experience of racial discrimination today. i am chinese, born in china but raised in Australia. and i am an australian citizen. for my whole life, i've been living in nice suburbs, gone to private high schools, and currently studying at uni. i have never been discriminated against by ppl around me, but i guess i've been living in a pretty sheltered and protected environment


i just want to say that i'm not posting this to cause trouble, or to be racist back to those ppl to discriminated against me. and please be rational if u were going to reply to in this thread. i'm posting this up bcoz i'm furious with myself for letting this happen to me, and for not fighting for my dignity, and i guess i needed some way to deal with my anger.

anyways, here it goes:

my parents own a shop, and sometimes i go there to help them out during my spare time.

today while i was there, a group of gangster looking ppl walked in. there was about 3 of them, two guys drinking beer and a woman who had a g-string and bum crack showing, and wasnt wearing a bra. all of them were obviousy stoned.

there was only my mum and i in the shop at the time, and my mum was alarmed, so she spoke in chinese to me and asked me to keep my eyes on them.

one of the guys heard our chinese conversation, and started yelling at us, saying, 'u kno what i hate, i HATE asians to come to my country and speak in their own language.'

then the woman joined in, 'yeah we let u asians into our country, and you go around speaking ur effff l«anguage and ur religion. there are rules in australia u kno, if u dont speak our language, then effff get out.'

i was so shocked at that point, by the time i came to my senses, they are already getting out their money and paying for their stuff. and the woman was still swearing under her breath the whole time.

and then she started yelling at my mum, who was serving them, 'you kno you asians just go around putting all the prices up. you come to my country, and bump up the prices, earn money and rip off us white ppl.' for everything these ppl have said, just add a bunch of four letter words into every sentence and you'll have a pretty good idea of the situation.

i then told her to get out of our shop, and she told me to shut up coz she wasnt talking to me. then my mum stopped me from talking again, and told me to stay silent. those three went about swearing for another couple of minutes and left. i walked into my room, burst into tears and starting breaking things. i considered calling the police, and what would be the point?

i've calmed down now, but i'm still very angry. but not at those ppl, at myself. my mum didnt want me to talk back bcoz she's scared those ppl will retaliate. but i think they are just a bunch of druggies. i'm angry at how i couldnt defend my dignity in front of those people. but there was nothing i could say, if i called them scum, trash, if i swore at them, it wud make me just as bad. but then perhaps it would be easier to sink to there level, so i dont have to be sitting here, fuming with anger.

i'm also angry about how naive i am. i dont want to let those ppl get to me, those ppl are the petty criminals, ppl living on the dole, working as prostitutes, it's completely ridiculous for me be made to feel worthless by someone who has far less to give to this country than me, but that doesnt stop me from feeling angry.

i've always heard about discrimination, from older people, events in the early 20th century, in cases and in literature, but i've never experienced it so blatantly first hand, and it feels so different from my readings, like nothing can convey the feeling of having your dignity attacked.

it seems that everything i've ever believed in in my whole life, justice, equality, multiculturalism, has been a lie. at times, when people argue that multiculturalism isnt working, i wud stand up and tell them to take a look at me, i'm chinese, i'm australia, and proud of both. but today, i'm starting to seriously doubt my conviction. i realised that race still exist, in a way that divides ppl like me from ppl like them, and nothing, absolutely nothing, can overcome that. that makes me angry too. and the problem is, there seems to be nothing i can do about it without sinking to their level, and anything i say back is going to make me sound like a smartarse.


one last thing that makes me furious, i was having a GREAT day until then. tears.gif they completely ruined my day, and it was so un-called-for.

sorry for the tirade. i was just wondering if any soompians have had similar ugly experiences? how did u guys deal with it?



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Posted 11 April 2007 - 04:32 AM

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 05:24 AM

god I know how you feel, I also had times were I wish I stood up for myself more, but at the time didn't stood up that much because I didn't want any trouble >_<;..

Anyway you shouldn't let them get to you, after all what do those druggies know about laws in Australia? And you have just as much right to live in Australia as they do.

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it seems that everything i've ever believed in in my whole life, justice, equality, multiculturalism, has been a lie.
don't give up believing that just because some druggies ruin those ideals. guess some rotten eggs ruin it for the rest of us that do prefer an equal world.

Anyway, I never really experienced racism like that myself, luckily. But there is racism in this country, mostly against the moroccan youth, but luckily we have more non racist people here than racist people, or at least..as far as I know O_o;.

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 05:42 AM

I feel so sorry for you. here in the uk, there is a racism but not extreme. mostly just little kids and teenagers with their racist name-calling, pretending to speak in chinese etc. i grew up with all of this so i guess im pretty immune to it since ive heard the same stuff being said so many times so i ignore it but still makes me mad. if you encounter anything like this again, definitely call the polive as this is blatant racial abuse. i call the police whenever my house gets egged or stoned by racist kids
dont let these druggies put you down!
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 05:55 AM

=(

*huuuuuuuuuugs*

yeh i live in aus too. and ummm...kk this is wat i srsly think. australia. yeh it is racist....u only hve to think back and u got our white aus policy before and even recently look at pauline hanson and one nation party....or even today tonite. and the cronulla riots are even more recent proof of it. ><

but its tru that australia is multicultural...lols just look at my school =) its basically all 99.9% filled with azs and its awesome ^^

if i called them scum, trash, if i swore at them, it wud make me just as bad. but then perhaps it would be easier to sink to there level, so i dont have to be sitting here, fuming with anger.

im really luckly i hvnt experienced racism lik that but don’t sink to their level. ultimately it wont achieve anything and mostly itll make u feel crap after too u noe? *hugs*
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 06:10 AM

hey, im a korean australian...

i get that sometimes..

dont let it get to you, just IGNORE>>myb shoot them a few dirties, but ignoring is the best
as you said they were obviously stoned...they were probaly angry about something in theoir lives and needed someone to blame..

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it seems that everything i've ever believed in in my whole life, justice, equality, multiculturalism, has been a lie. at times, when people argue that multiculturalism isnt working, i wud stand up and tell them to take a look at me, i'm chinese, i'm australia, and proud of both. but today, i'm starting to seriously doubt my conviction. i realised that race still exist, in a way that divides ppl like me from ppl like them, and nothing, absolutely nothing, can overcome that. that makes me angry too. and the problem is, there seems to be nothing i can do about it without sinking to their level, and anything i say back is going to make me sound like a smartarse.


multicultrualism isnt a lie..look at the world around you..is EVERYTHING black and white fair?
look at australia, i think so far out of all countries it has achieved closest to true equality between races...
i mean you dont see people getting shot at in the street because, for example, they are vietnamese

every culture and race have people at the extreme, for example you may get a korean father not permitting his children to marry a aussie, becuase he belives that they are unfair, harsh, angry all the time etc etc

they try to blame people that are diiferent in some way or another for something that they are angry/hurting about in their lives. usually in the end they understand see theyre problem and then do not, for no reason at all, become racially predjudiced.

dont worry, i know you probally feel REALLY angry at those people, feel hurt
but dont you think some people may react this way>>"i think all aussies are racial etc etc, they do not deserve respect and therefore i should not give it to them..
see, this is how some people may become racially unfair


SO, the bottom line of this uber long post is> IGNORE if this happenes again,
in your lifetime you are bound to meet people like this
try and understand...



*ps if your thinking right now...WTH why should a fifteen yr old girl be lecturing me, she doesnt know ANTHING.
belive me, ive moved a lot and have been in schools/ communities (in aus. of course) where
-i have been basically the only asian
-everyone is asian
-big mix of cultures
etc

**pps you have lead a REALLY sheltered lif if this is the first time you have encountered this sort of thing..

**ppps im proud to live in australia too, as korean/aus, u should be too


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Posted 11 April 2007 - 08:10 AM

you can drink beer in public blink.gif
sorry i cant really relate to how you feel because im almost completely the opposite
as in not sheltered
but i know where you're comming from
i'd feel very angry too
i've been in simliar situations

today while i was there, a group of gangster looking ppl walked in. there was about 3 of them, two guys drinking beer and a woman who had a g-string and bum crack showing, and wasnt wearing a bra. all of them were obviousy stoned

i just thought it was kind of funny how detailed you described these people
obviously is a loaded term.. eh, sorry i took this arugmentative english course and the word popped out at me >.<
but maybe they were drunk ?
so no point in saying anything

dont let these druggies put you down! wingwing <-- lol!

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 08:16 AM

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 08:19 AM

those people were very rude! don't let their ignorant ways get to you though. some people are going to be like that regardless..just the way of the world. keep being a positive person and just enjoy life!
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 08:21 AM

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 08:24 AM

Awwwwwww sad.gif

Never mind though, racism is always going to be around in the world. Keeping quiet is the best way to deal with ppl like that, or thats what I've found anyway.

Besides, just remember- what goes around comes around so sit back and wait for karma to kick in! wink.gif
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 08:41 AM

i work in a field that is predominantly run by asians. i`ve dealt with petty, racist people who think just because i am not white-skinned that i have no right to say anything when they bicker & whine about asians running the field of work i`m involved in... i`m not supposed to retaliate to these people [to keep a clean image about our business] but i`ve found that once these people realize i speak fluent english, they tone it down a little xP
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 08:45 AM

I'm sorry those people ruined your day. ._.;; Don't let those people kill your pride; from what you described, it seemed like they were more or less on drugs. >.>;; I don't think you should stop believing in multiculturalism. See your heritage as a gift, not a curse. People always have something to say, some of it negative, but you have to keep to your beliefs~ <33 I know a lot of people go around saying false truths about me, and people of the same race as me, but I'm living proof that not all those are true. <33

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 08:59 AM

I think everybody goes through that once in their lives.

Maybe if I tell you I had some racial discrimination it'll brighten you up.

I was only about 10, if even, and I was chilling at the park with my cousins and sisters and this group of black dudes (around the same age, maybe a little older) came up to us and starting talking to us. We're talking or whatever, then they start asking us "what are you?" so we're like "Armenian" they all start laughing at us saying "WTF is that" they go on and make fun of us and harass us. So we try to turn around and go home, because now it's getting heated and they all had these bikes. Some how or another, I really don't remember how, we end up being chased by these a.ssholes behind a fence and out the park into some creek. They had baseball bats or whatever and my cousin and I were crying behind a tree and all that bull they kept laughing and clanking the bat saying "we ain't gonna hurt you" and my sister wasn't with us so I was shook. Anyways, somehow or another, we were behind some building where there were some people. They came out and "saved" us you can say, called the police, and they gave us a ride home.

yeah, that was pretty deep so I take the racial card and anything to do with race pretty seriously. I don't want to hear people complaining about racism unless you've had a first hand experience with it.
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 10:03 AM

QUOTE(Sadana @ Apr 11 2007, 11:59 AM) View Post
I think everybody goes through that once in their lives.

Maybe if I tell you I had some racial discrimination it'll brighten you up.

I was only about 10, if even, and I was chilling at the park with my cousins and sisters and this group of black dudes (around the same age, maybe a little older) came up to us and starting talking to us. We're talking or whatever, then they start asking us "what are you?" so we're like "Armenian" they all start laughing at us saying "WTF is that" they go on and make fun of us and harass us. So we try to turn around and go home, because now it's getting heated and they all had these bikes. Some how or another, I really don't remember how, we end up being chased by these a.ssholes behind a fence and out the park into some creek. They had baseball bats or whatever and my cousin and I were crying behind a tree and all that bull they kept laughing and clanking the bat saying "we ain't gonna hurt you" and my sister wasn't with us so I was shook. Anyways, somehow or another, we were behind some building where there were some people. They came out and "saved" us you can say, called the police, and they gave us a ride home.

yeah, that was pretty deep so I take the racial card and anything to do with race pretty seriously. I don't want to hear people complaining about racism unless you've had a first hand experience with it.


Thats sounds really terrifying! Those guys were really pathetic, it got me really angry when I read that. When I was younger and group of people would come towards me, I always ran the other direction (i'm not really a paranoid person! i also would carry a bat with me around my neighbor, because their were a lot of weirdos and trashy people).

And I completely agree with you, whats up with people always trying to play the race card?!

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 10:33 AM

Nothings peachy in this world unfortunately.

It'll pass even though it seems like the world is doomed right now. Believe me I've had more than my fair share.


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Posted 11 April 2007 - 10:37 AM

I feel so bad for you.
But just take a long hard look at those people!
Ignorant down to her nasty herpes infected g-string.

You go to a uni, you're well educated and have parents who tried their best to love and protect you from people like them.
They're nobodies with nothing better to do then illogically blame other people and be nasty.
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Now I guess it's time for my racism story.
I'm white (well mixed but considered white). Basically, walking down the hall in high school some black guy just gets up from the leaning on the wall and slaps me hard in the back of the head. No reason at all. Didn't know him. I was so shocked...I just glared and walked away.
Also, in summer when I was little, I used to get really tan and some white fat wildabeast was like "get the f*** out of my way spic"
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My friend, she is asian, has also experienced plenty of racists too (you know the retarded "ching chong ching" thing, the "go back to asia" and "speak english" bullcrap...).
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People are really ignorant...There's no use getting mad, I just pity them- they're pathetic to me.
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 12:02 PM

since you're a girl I think you did the right thing. If they were gangsters you don't know what kind of weapons they have or what they would do especially since they were stoned/drunk. Besides, they are the ones who are spending their lives just doing drugs and drinking. Anything that comes out of their mouths is invalid as it's coming from nothing but a piece of walking s**t. rolleyes.gif

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE(SwtMsT @ Apr 11 2007, 10:37 AM) View Post
I feel so bad for you.
But just take a long hard look at those people!
Ignorant down to her nasty herpes infected g-string.

You go to a uni, you're well educated and have parents who tried their best to love and protect you from people like them.
They're nobodies with nothing better to do then illogically blame other people and be nasty.
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People are really ignorant...There's no use getting mad, I just pity them- they're pathetic to me.


Yes to all the above. Pathetic is a good word for them. Not sure I'd feel very sorry for them.

The first thing that pops into my head when I read things like this is 'I wonder where their families came from'. I think your mom was right--and don't feel that you didn't stand up for yourself, either. You stayed safe. You never know what they might have done had they become even more angry.
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 12:45 PM

It's very to unfortutunate that you experienced such racial discrimination, but if you are going to post anything personal that has angered/upsetted you, please use the ranting thread. Topic closed.
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