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#751 User is offline   f_ishie 

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 11:24 AM

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Honestly, it all depends on your schedule and your energy level you have at that time. It's basically user preference.
There is no upper or lower abdominal, there just one big muscle. If your talking about you have a pooch, then start implementing a healthier diet and focus more on cardivascular activities. I hope your not confusing skin with fat though, cause alot of people confuse that part of the body near the navel area. smile.gif


i c.. i think that i eat pretty healthy but i'm not rly sure.. haha i mean i wake up and eat like pretzals w/ whipped cream cheese or soemthing like that w/ water.. and no i'm pretty sure it's fat. haha ok so more cardivascualr activities thanx
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 11:53 AM

Hey. I've been reading this thread for a while, and it's been really helpful, but now I've got a few questions of my own.

I've heard that it's better to do cardio twice a day as opposed to once a day. Is this true? Should I do my cardio all in one chunk or split it off into say, morning and night?

I'm also looking to add some yoga into my exercise regime. Does it matter if I do it before or after my cardio?
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 01:11 PM

QUOTE(Nojeel @ Jul 19 2007, 06:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really, is that so? Why would call that bad advice? Eating 1 serving of fruit compared to 2-2 1/2 (usually in cups) servings makes a huge difference in weight loss, since you don't seem to be aware of that because I think your comparing the fruit intake guideline based on the RDA for a normal healthy individual.

Yes, the recommended intake for fruits is 2-3 serving daily, but that is very deterimental to someone who is trying to lose body fat and weight, fruit has natural sugars and if you go overboard on them, the excess sugar will translate into extra storage the glucose will convert in to fat. Remember that diets need to be individualized, I think your forgetting to mention that if it's something as great as fruit, you still can't overeat it, as with all food groups, going overboard on any one of them makes you lose valuable properties of other foods you should be consuming.

The reply I gave for this person isn't a 6'2-6'5 tall, 300 pounder, this person said he's 5'8 and roughly 205 pounds currently. Remember, individuality is so vital when it comes to diet advice my friend. smile.gif

So your saying that you would recommend eating nearly 3 cups of fruit for this particular, individual person who's trying to lose body fat?

Now 'that' would be bad advice now isn't it? smile.gif


Fruit generally doesn't have that many calories, except like bananas, avocado, and probably a few more..
But apples, oranges, grapes, papaya, watermelon, cantaloupe, honeydew, strawberries, and a whole lot more...eating 1 cup compared to 3 cups of them is really not going to make a big difference.
I do understand that overeating anything, even fruit, can make a person gain weight.. but really...3 cups worth of fruit is not going to make anybody fat, and it is not going overboard.
I don't understand why fruit is the enemy here...as if it is the fruit that is stopping him from losing weight =/
If anything, I would recommend more variety and servings of fruit and vegetables and taking a closer look at other foods that may be spiking up his overall calorie intake.
But this is based on eating healthy, and fruits have lots of phytochemicals that should be included in the diet.
If it's just all about losing body fat then just ignore me.

smilebig180 - it is probably the caffeine in the tea thats giving you trouble sleeping
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE(nymph @ Jul 19 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fruit generally doesn't have that many calories, except like bananas, avocado, and probably a few more..
But apples, oranges, grapes, papaya, watermelon, cantaloupe, honeydew, strawberries, and a whole lot more...eating 1 cup compared to 3 cups of them is really not going to make a big difference.
I do understand that overeating anything, even fruit, can make a person gain weight.. but really...3 cups worth of fruit is not going to make anybody fat, and it is not going overboard.
I don't understand why fruit is the enemy here...as if it is the fruit that is stopping him from losing weight =/
If anything, I would recommend more variety and servings of fruit and vegetables and taking a closer look at other foods that may be spiking up his overall calorie intake.
But this is based on eating healthy, and fruits have lots of phytochemicals that should be included in the diet.
If it's just all about losing body fat then just ignore me.

smilebig180 - it is probably the caffeine in the tea thats giving you trouble sleeping


Green tea has very minimal amount of caffeine, I really don't think that could her problem from sleeping, unless she was drinking liters worth. biggrin.gif

And fruit is packed with calories, yes the above mention, you say about bananas, avocado and etc.

But your telling people that apples, honeydew, cantaloupes aren't packed with calories? 1 cup of apples has more sugar then 1 cup of bananas.

And there is a huge difference between 1 cup and 3 cups of fruit. 1 cup of honeydew or cantaulope for example has 14-15g of sugar, so 3 cups would be 42-43g. I'm pretty sure that makes quite a bit of difference don't you think?
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 01:21 AM

QUOTE(Nojeel @ Jul 19 2007, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Green tea has very minimal amount of caffeine, I really don't think that could her problem from sleeping, unless she was drinking liters worth. biggrin.gif

And fruit is packed with calories, yes the above mention, you say about bananas, avocado and etc.

But your telling people that apples, honeydew, cantaloupes aren't packed with calories? 1 cup of apples has more sugar then 1 cup of bananas.

And there is a huge difference between 1 cup and 3 cups of fruit. 1 cup of honeydew or cantaulope for example has 14-15g of sugar, so 3 cups would be 42-43g. I'm pretty sure that makes quite a bit of difference don't you think?


According to fitday.com, 1 cup of apple is 74 calories so no, I don't think that would be considered packed with calories.
3 cups --> 222 calories.
1 cup honeydew = 60 calories
1 cup cantaloupe = 55 calories

Based on the calorie amount, it is silly reduce from from 3 cups to 1 cup of fruit because you're saving what.. ~120 calories ?
I'd say keep 3 the cups of fruit and decrease the extra cheese, oil, white bread, steak, etc. Paying attention to the sugar in whole fruits is unnecessary for the average person trying to lose some fat.

As for green tea, I don't know how much caffeine is in it but there are several websites linking the green tea caffeine with trouble sleeping. That, and from my personal experience, because about a big glass of green tea will definitely keep me up, doesn't have to be liters. But I'm sure that differs for people
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 01:39 AM

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Paying attention to the sugar in whole fruits is unnecessary for the average person trying to lose some fat.

Any nutritionist will tell you that is just unreasonable, of course you want to pay attention to the sugar in fat. You claim that fruits are just low in calories but not in sugar? Anybody knows that when your trying to lose fat, decreasing sugar content is the most important factor in losing weight. It's like your telling people it's okay to drink a soda because it's low in calories when it has 42-49g of sugar, your completely ignoring the sugar content of fruits which I don't understand.
If you give this advice to someone who's trying to burn fat, I guarantee you it's not going to work from personal experience.
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 03:33 AM

Hi, I wanted to know about your thoughts on those body fat % analyzer where you place your thumbs onto the small device.
I've recently bought one and I wanted to know how accurate is it anyway?? I've heard that it can be very inaccurate.
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 01:10 PM

QUOTE(Nojeel @ Jul 20 2007, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any nutritionist will tell you that is just unreasonable, of course you want to pay attention to the sugar in fat. You claim that fruits are just low in calories but not in sugar? Anybody knows that when your trying to lose fat, decreasing sugar content is the most important factor in losing weight. It's like your telling people it's okay to drink a soda because it's low in calories when it has 42-49g of sugar, your completely ignoring the sugar content of fruits which I don't understand.
If you give this advice to someone who's trying to burn fat, I guarantee you it's not going to work from personal experience.


There is no sugar in fat. I'm not sure what you mean by first sentence =/
Let’s clarify what type of sugar we are talking about
I didn't say fruits are low in sugar, they usually have a high % of fructose. I disagree that decreasing sugar content is the most important factor in losing weight, overall calorie reduction and exercise are the most important factors.
Fruit is low in calories yet offers a lot more vitamins, minerals, and phytochemicals. Yes, it has fructose but that’s okay. It not an empty calorie food, as opposed to that soda which only offers the sucrose. I completely ignore fruit sugar content because there are more important factors of the diet I should be worried about. I would be paying attention to fat, carb, protein, fiber, making sure I’m eating enough fruits and veggies with variety, avoiding empty calorie food, and getting enough exercise. Why should I worry about fruit sugar if I am within a healthy calorie range and the sugar is from fruit ?
The whole picture is, a person should not be afraid to eat fruit. If a person fears fruit, what other food can you turn to ??
My nutrition teacher has mentioned this topic before, and she found it ridiculous that there are people afraid of eating fruit because of the sugar content. There are people who are afraid to eat carrots because of its high GI, not talking about diabetics. That’s a different topic but I feel there’s a correlation.
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 01:42 PM

Quick question (or not so quick, whatever).

I recently went to the doctor and she told me I needed to gain weight, but didn't really specify how to go about it. Anyways, I'm a female 5'5 and 90lb. I'm read that dairy products are supposed to help, but I'm lactose intolerant, so that won't work. When I played tennis, my weight went up about 5lb, but recently with school, work and rain I have no more time. Currently, all I do is crunches and squats and running on the side. So, is there any way to gain weight besides just "eating more?"
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 03:13 AM

QUOTE(nymph @ Jul 20 2007, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is no sugar in fat. I'm not sure what you mean by first sentence =/Let’s clarify what type of sugar we are talking about I didn't say fruits are low in sugar, they usually have a high % of fructose. I disagree that decreasing sugar content is the most important factor in losing weight, overall calorie reduction and exercise are the most important factors. Fruit is low in calories yet offers a lot more vitamins, minerals, and phytochemicals. Yes, it has fructose but that’s okay. It not an empty calorie food, as opposed to that soda which only offers the sucrose. I completely ignore fruit sugar content because there are more important factors of the diet I should be worried about. I would be paying attention to fat, carb, protein, fiber, making sure I’m eating enough fruits and veggies with variety, avoiding empty calorie food, and getting enough exercise. Why should I worry about fruit sugar if I am within a healthy calorie range and the sugar is from fruit ?The whole picture is, a person should not be afraid to eat fruit. If a person fears fruit, what other food can you turn to ??My nutrition teacher has mentioned this topic before, and she found it ridiculous that there are people afraid of eating fruit because of the sugar content. There are people who are afraid to eat carrots because of its high GI, not talking about diabetics. That’s a different topic but I feel there’s a correlation.
I never said there was 'sugar' in 'fat'. =/Decreasing sugar content is still one of the most important factors in losing weight, I'm not saying other things are not important, you can still take into factors of fats, carbs, protein, fiber, etc. But sugar is just as important, concerning this topic. Your assuming that I'm against fruits and saying fruit is bad for you, and your thinking that I'm trying to tell people you should be afraid to eat fruits, o_O I never said that once fruit is not bad for you, I just don't agree on eating the RDA amount of fruits for losing weight. That's the bottom line.
QUOTE(nymph @ Jul 20 2007, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is no sugar in fat. I'm not sure what you mean by first sentence =/Let’s clarify what type of sugar we are talking about I didn't say fruits are low in sugar, they usually have a high % of fructose. I disagree that decreasing sugar content is the most important factor in losing weight, overall calorie reduction and exercise are the most important factors. Fruit is low in calories yet offers a lot more vitamins, minerals, and phytochemicals. Yes, it has fructose but that’s okay. It not an empty calorie food, as opposed to that soda which only offers the sucrose. I completely ignore fruit sugar content because there are more important factors of the diet I should be worried about. I would be paying attention to fat, carb, protein, fiber, making sure I’m eating enough fruits and veggies with variety, avoiding empty calorie food, and getting enough exercise. Why should I worry about fruit sugar if I am within a healthy calorie range and the sugar is from fruit ?The whole picture is, a person should not be afraid to eat fruit. If a person fears fruit, what other food can you turn to ??My nutrition teacher has mentioned this topic before, and she found it ridiculous that there are people afraid of eating fruit because of the sugar content. There are people who are afraid to eat carrots because of its high GI, not talking about diabetics. That’s a different topic but I feel there’s a correlation.
I never said there was 'sugar' in 'fat'. =/Decreasing sugar content is still one of the most important factors in losing weight, I'm not saying other things are not important, you can still take into factors of fats, carbs, protein, fiber, etc. But sugar is just as important, concerning this topic. Your assuming that I'm against fruits and saying fruit is bad for you, and your thinking that I'm trying to tell people you should be afraid to eat fruits, o_O I never said that once fruit is not bad for you, I just don't agree on eating the RDA amount of fruits for losing weight. That's the bottom line.
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 07:21 AM

I dunno if this has been asked before (probably) will DDR or walking daily help? I've been playing ddr (light-standard. Mostly standard) 30minutes to an hour every day, and walking 1 hour daily... will this help?
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 01:19 PM

QUOTE(Nojeel @ Jul 21 2007, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I never said there was 'sugar' in 'fat'. =/Decreasing sugar content is still one of the most important factors in losing weight, I'm not saying other things are not important, you can still take into factors of fats, carbs, protein, fiber, etc. But sugar is just as important, concerning this topic. Your assuming that I'm against fruits and saying fruit is bad for you, and your thinking that I'm trying to tell people you should be afraid to eat fruits, o_O I never said that once fruit is not bad for you, I just don't agree on eating the RDA amount of fruits for losing weight. That's the bottom line.I never said there was 'sugar' in 'fat'. =/Decreasing sugar content is still one of the most important factors in losing weight, I'm not saying other things are not important, you can still take into factors of fats, carbs, protein, fiber, etc. But sugar is just as important, concerning this topic. Your assuming that I'm against fruits and saying fruit is bad for you, and your thinking that I'm trying to tell people you should be afraid to eat fruits, o_O I never said that once fruit is not bad for you, I just don't agree on eating the RDA amount of fruits for losing weight. That's the bottom line.


QUOTE(Nojeel @ Jul 20 2007, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any nutritionist will tell you that is just unreasonable, of course you want to pay attention to the sugar in fat.


I guess I misunderstood that sentence.
I agree on decreasing "added sugar", but not sugar from fruit.
But I'm gonna stop and agree to disagree =)
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE(nymph @ Jul 21 2007, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess I misunderstood that sentence.
I agree on decreasing "added sugar", but not sugar from fruit.
But I'm gonna stop and agree to disagree =)


Sorry that I didn't proof read, cause that is not what I mean obviously. smile.gif Cause that doesn't make sense. lol
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 01:43 PM

Have you ever heard of "Guerrilla Cardio"?

Might wanna check it out, seems very good in burning away fat.

http://www.cs.unm.edu/~wneumann/files/guerilla_cardio.pdf
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 02:59 PM

Hi! Your topic is sooo useful, thanks for giving us advices! I need your help, since today i began fitness and signed in a gym---
My goal is to tone decently arms, armpit, shoulders, and all the waist to up.
I read the whole topic until page 21 bcos my eyes hurt x_x sorry, i find that HST training webpage but i didnt understand it, also read this reply but im a bit lost soo im gonna ask for ur advices sweatingbullets.gif

well i introduce myself
i'm 16 years old (17 in 3 months)
119 lb 5.8 ft
i'm skinny but not 100% ectomorf, hm i have musculated legs, but since the waist to up im so skinny, specially the arms. i have a bit of chest (not significantly) and wide shoulders (but not a lot).
(if these pics help... pic 1 pic 2)
i never exercised at fitness, but i like exercising. i can run (and jump) lots of time and fast without getting rlly exhausted, but carry some bags or fornitures it's sooo freakin hard for me.
my diet is lots of meat, some vegetables and almost nothing of fish. i used to eat lots of sugar meals but few days ago dentist diagnosticated me a teeth disorder so im not gonna eat (i can't!) anything that contains an amount of sugar. i eat a lot, like a monster lol i love to eat (and most often steak and chicken and that), but i dont gain weight (or i didnt notice).

so... can u explain me how to begin? i'm sooo lost wacko.gif

thanks in advance!
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 09:22 PM

It's all in the diet. You need to eat eat eat! I'd recommend a 3000 calorie diet of 40% protein /40% carbohydrates /20% fat. Start reading labels and write a log of what you eat and your exercises. That way you can record your gains and see what does/doesn't work for you.

Just start going to the gym. Familiarize yourself with all the equipment and exercises. It's a never-ending learning process but it isn't as overwhelming as you might think. Schedule out a workout for your target groups. A great resource is www.bodybuilding.com . You might want to start taking supplements as well. Multivitamin and Protein shakes at least.

Also, you say you don't want to work your legs but I'd still recommend you do some squats and deadlifts. Mass building exercises right there. smile.gif
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 11:36 PM

wow . this thread is helpful . XD . thankss alot smile.gif . i mostly do cardio exercises xD .


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Posted 26 July 2007 - 09:28 PM

i've been lurking in this thread for quite some time.
i'm 22; 5'3 ; i don't know how much i weigh now since i'm too scared of the outcome because i haven't hit up the gym for almost a month. I started working out the beginning of the year & I was 110 lbs and my waist measured up to 24-25 inches. I just want to get back to fitting on my old size jeans because my waist size is currently measured 27 inches. Any advices on what kind of work out would do.

My old work out routine before was: 5 days a week
Elliptical 30 minutes with resistance of 6 and 8 constantly changing
Running for 30 minutes
10 minutes on treadclimber
at some days i would only do cycling or elliptical at a one full hour.


As far as diet,
Breakfast: Cereal (bran) with soymilk
Lunch: White/brown Rice (1cup) with any asian entrees
Dinner: Salad
Snacks: Fruits

Lately, I haven't been eating breakfast since i wake up 9am for work and I don't eat lunch till 12pm. I eat dinner before 7pm. Drink Green tea before going to sleep. I'm thinking of getting a personal trainer but since you are a personal trainer yourself maybe you can give me your opinion on what i'm doing wrong.
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 11:16 PM

hii! this is my first time looking at this thread... its awesome!

anyway im a girl who wants to burn her fat (and turn it into lean body mass) and ive always wondered... which is better for burning fat (if there is a diff at all) the treadmill or the elliptical?

also my friend and i have just started working out together and whenever we do situps our stomachs get BIGGER. our stomachs are normally flat without the exercise, but with it we get these round bulges! what kind of "stomach exercises" will keep our stomachs flat?

thanks for your answers in advance! smile.gif
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Posted 27 July 2007 - 01:10 AM

HI,Could you guide me on like which exercise machine to use in the gym?I started a week ago and i dont really know which machine i should use and for how longI go 3 times a week for 2 hours; will that be enough to lose weight??Current Weight : 56kgsGoal Weight: 46kgsso i want to lose 10 kgs in about 2 months Thank you =Doh and im just wondering on which exercise machine to use to get leaner calves? i know i have to loose weight overall but likie when im doing exercises i dont want to get bigger calf muscle tho.. thank you again =D
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