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#3251 User is offline   EYJAYJAY 

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 01:34 AM

QUOTE(LolitaMan @ Mar 17 2007, 02:56 AM) View Post
I bet you forgot or just don't take into account how crappy the Suns were the season before Nash arrived. < And that reason alone how he made the Suns improve so greatly was why he won his 1st MVP deservedly so over the bully shaq. Heck, just look at how bad the Suns were playing without Nash during his injury. Nash haters like you can only bring up the old legends excuse.... You can't name me a better Point Guard than Nash today. And for his age? Simply amazing. Enough said..

Great post ONe.Shot


thanks.


and gosh.. suns got thrashed
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#3252 User is offline   Kit_Starter 

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 03:59 AM

QUOTE(ONe.ShoT @ Mar 17 2007, 03:34 AM) View Post
thanks.
and gosh.. suns got thrashed


Screw Nash and his Mvp trophies.

Last night proved again that Kobe is the King.
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#3253 User is offline   EYJAYJAY 

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE(Kit_Starter @ Mar 17 2007, 06:59 AM) View Post
Screw Nash and his Mvp trophies.

Last night proved again that Kobe is the King.


lol and ill bet you kobe aint gonna win mvp this season
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#3254 User is offline   jojoboy4 

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 09:50 PM

jason kidd

QUOTE(LolitaMan @ Mar 17 2007, 12:56 AM) View Post
I bet you forgot or just don't take into account how crappy the Suns were the season before Nash arrived. < And that reason alone how he made the Suns improve so greatly was why he won his 1st MVP deservedly so over the bully shaq. Heck, just look at how bad the Suns were playing without Nash during his injury. Nash haters like you can only bring up the old legends excuse.... You can't name me a better Point Guard than Nash today. And for his age? Simply amazing. Enough said..

Great post ONe.Shot


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#3255 User is offline   LolitaMan 

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 10:55 PM

QUOTE(jojoboy4 @ Mar 17 2007, 11:50 PM) View Post
jason kidd

LOL yeah right.... I'll take Billups, Paul, and Parker over that old fart.
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Posted 17 March 2007 - 11:07 PM

QUOTE(Kit_Starter @ Mar 17 2007, 03:59 AM) View Post
Screw Nash and his Mvp trophies.

Last night proved again that Kobe is the King.

its most valuable player

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 11:33 PM

QUOTE(LolitaMan @ Mar 18 2007, 01:55 AM) View Post
LOL yeah right.... I'll take Billups, Paul, and Parker over that old fart.

i think parker is a stretch. kidd can still give you a triple double on any given night, though his name shouldn't be coming up in an mvp conversation.
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Posted 18 March 2007 - 06:46 PM

Aww I love Jason Kidd.

Kobe and 50 points tonight. His first backtoback 50+ pt game. Omgah but the Lakers almost killed me tonight. From a 17 point lead to a 3 point lead.


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Posted 19 March 2007 - 03:53 PM

sorry i couldnt respond earlier but here is the reason why, and it has nothing to do with nash not being up there with larry legend and wilt

nash IS a brilliant player, undoubtedly the best player at his position right now. i just dont happen to agree with how some people treat him like a basketball god (not pointing to anyone in particular). nash's lack of defense (though it has improved some) is still a sore point, and personally i feel a player of that caliber and work ethic should be playing much better defense.

i feel he's overrated not because of a fault of his, but because much of the credit given to nash should be given to d'antoni and the phoenix system. nash is so effective BECAUSE he plays under d'antoni. if the suns played a different type of offense, would nash have as good numbers as he does now? would he still win as much? we'll never know for sure, but imagine how effective nash would be had he played for, say, larry brown or jeff van gundy. in my own opinion he wouldnt put up as big numbers nor win as many games. like i said, much of what nash gets credit for comes from the system.

he also has the perfect role players. he has guys that can all run, shoot, pass, and once again, fits the system. management deserves a lot of credit for nash's success. sure, they lost joe johnson and q-rich, as well as amare last year, but they brought in guys who would work well around nash. yeah, i understand diaw and bell's played much better with nash than without, but offensively, you can't help but get better when your team scores something like 110ppg (estimate). imagine if the suns had some different players (like kwame brown, for example)... they would sit at the far end of d'antoni's bench and the team would suffer. also, don't tell me marion and amare wouldn't be where they are without nash. nash wouldn't be where he is without them either. they're mutual beneficiaries.

though i said the system makes nash effective, i understand the vice versa works as well. the suns stink without nash, although i would say the most the teams suffer without their stars as well. i guess my big point is the heavy dependency of nash on the system and the system on nash.

im not saying nash sucks, im just saying he's not as good as so many people say he is. this is just a piece of my own opinion just as other people have their opinions on why they think other stars are overrated (ai b/c he never wins, lebron b/c he's not 'clutch', kobe b/c he's a 'ballhog')
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Posted 19 March 2007 - 07:19 PM

I think everyone is missing the key facts here.

No doubt Nash is overrated, and that the system in Phoenix is different from the one Nash played under with the Mavericks. I am sick and tired of people going "OMG Steve Nash is god!" at my school. I am sick and tired of people having little or no knowledge of who Nash was before he won his first MVP trophy.

However, you must remember that MVP stands for:

Most
Valuable
Player

Nash is, without a doubt, the most valuable player to the Suns which is the SECOND best team in the league, with an impressive 50-16 record at the moment. However, I will not argue that Dirk is a big opponent for the MVP trophy, given his terrific numbers this season and the fact that the Mavericks are FIRST in the league this season.

Indeed, I believe they're both fine candidates for the trophy, and Nash may either win it again because he's already had 2 in a row, so it'll be 3 in a row, or there may be no love this season at all for Nash because he doesn't have the legendary stats previous MVP winners have had, so there may be some bias to that.

Who knows.

On a lighter note, I went to a job interview downtown today at a movie theatre, and after my first interview (I had to go through two different ones), as I was walking to the second lineup of applicants, I saw Jose Calderon and a girl (his date probably) right in front of me. I was pretty tempted to call his name and ask for an autograph but decided not to because the interviewer was escorting me anyway and he seemed pretty "x_x" about appearing in public, looking around to avoid anyone recognizing him.

Funny thing though, he's out with an injury yet watching movies on a Monday night. *cough*
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Posted 19 March 2007 - 07:31 PM

I don't care how many TD's Kidd gets, his teams don't win.

edit - re: Nash

If he wanted to, the guy could score 30 a game. He shoots a ridiculous % in the field.

He creates for the team. Pre-Nash, the Suns were terrible.

The Suns take less fga's than 3 other teams (albeit, not by much, nonetheless) and those teams aren't exactly rolling in wins. D'antoni this, system that, blah blah.

GS / Wash / Den have 'better' (for the lack of a better word) scorers than the Suns, but their respective PG's avg less assists than Nash. Nash on his own accounts for at least 40 ppg. His avg and the points facilitated from his assists.
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Posted 20 March 2007 - 03:02 AM

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I bet you forgot or just don't take into account how crappy the Suns were the season before Nash arrived. < And that reason alone how he made the Suns improve so greatly was why he won his 1st MVP deservedly so over the bully shaq. Heck, just look at how bad the Suns were playing without Nash during his injury. Nash haters like you can only bring up the old legends excuse.... You can't name me a better Point Guard than Nash today. And for his age? Simply amazing. Enough said..

They were bad that one season. Yes, absolutely right. But how about the season before that? Lets see... they were a playoff team.

QUOTE(res0nate @ Mar 19 2007, 07:31 PM) View Post
I don't care how many TD's Kidd gets, his teams don't win.

I'll take JKidd in his prime over Steve Nash. Though Nash is a way superior scorer.

Kidd's teams don't win because outside of their best players the players are average.
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Posted 20 March 2007 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE(LolitaMan @ Mar 17 2007, 12:56 AM) View Post
I bet you forgot or just don't take into account how crappy the Suns were the season before Nash arrived. < And that reason alone how he made the Suns improve so greatly was why he won his 1st MVP deservedly so over the bully shaq. Heck, just look at how bad the Suns were playing without Nash during his injury. Nash haters like you can only bring up the old legends excuse.... You can't name me a better Point Guard than Nash today. And for his age? Simply amazing. Enough said..

Great post ONe.Shot


yeah, actually, i don't think he should have won that first one either, cuz shaq carried the heat to the eastern conference finals that year. but that's a different story altogether.

i would take billups as a better pg, hands down. he's a clutch shooter, he's an efficient point guard and he play shut down D. nuff said.

as for the suns argument, the suns have basked in mediocrity since the barkley to houston trade and hiring danny ainge as a coach. they went to the playoffs a couple times, correct me if i'm wrong, but they haven't done too much. regardlessly, yes, they've had great regular seasons success, but when it doesn't relate to post season success, then the results are all the same. a good team, that never won a championship.

and come on, can you seriously imagine yourself in 10 years reminiscing about how steve nash used to make great passes, or nailed a jumper with his floppy hair in his face, the same way you reminisce about how larry took over games with his shooting and decided that he was going to avg 35 pts on a road trip and went out and did it? some players abilities have the attributes to outlast their playing career and steve nash isn't one of them. his passing is great, his shooting is fantastic, but he's nothing more than an offensive threat with 4 great years under his belt, and a knack for tiring out in the playoffs.
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Posted 20 March 2007 - 12:14 PM

Then again, so were guys like Malone, Stockton and Barkley.
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Posted 22 March 2007 - 06:57 AM

If Nash wins another MVP or wins a ring or does both, his HOF status is sealed, imo


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Posted 22 March 2007 - 11:20 AM

I don't consider the Suns team post Barkley era mediocre. At least not some of the seasons. When Marbury was around they were a good team. Just that they aren't elite like they are right now with Nash.
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Posted 22 March 2007 - 06:02 PM

Aside from all this Steve Nash MVP talk ...

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Smith leaving Kentucky to coach Minnesota

Tubby Smith, who led the Kentucky Wildcats to the NCAA championship in his first season but spent the next nine years trying to live up to the school's storied reputation, accepted the head coaching job at Minnesota on Thursday.

Smith, who had four years remaining on his contract, will be introduced at a 1 p.m. ET news conference Friday in Minneapolis. Kentucky will still honor the $1.5 million incentive bonus that Smith is due on April 3.

Smith informed Kentucky players and athletics director Mitch Barnhart about his decision earlier Thursday and also phoned former Minnesota coach Dan Monson, who was fired in November, to tell him he was accepting the job.

"On behalf of the University of Kentucky, I'd like to express sincere appreciation to Tubby Smith, his family and his staff," Barnhart said in a statement. "Tubby has always put a priority on the growth of the student-athlete while representing the Commonwealth with class, and we thank him for that. We wish him the very best at the University of Minnesota. They are getting a solid coach and a great person."


According to sources, Smith called Monson for an education about the opening, Minnesota's basketball facilities, the atmosphere around the program, and how the job compares to others in the Big Ten. The program was on probation for five of Monson's seven seasons after an academic scandal under former coach Clem Haskins.

Monson cleaned up the program, but the Gophers didn't win; they were 9-22 this season, 3-13 in the Big Ten.

During his decade at Kentucky, where he replaced Rick Pitino, Smith was 263-83 and reached the NCAA Tournament every season, winning the national title in 1998 -- Smith's first season in Lexington. But the Wildcats have not been back to the Final Four since, the longest drought in school history.

"Tubby is an outstanding individual and he's been a credit to the conference and a credit to the game," SEC commissioner Mike Slive said. "We definitely wish him well. Kentuucky has a great basketball tradition, and that great tradition will continue as the university moves ahead."

This season, in which the Wildcats finished 22-12 overall, 9-7 in the SEC and lost to Kansas in the second round of the tournament, saw a growing faction of Kentucky fans calling for Smith's ouster.

"Ever since my senior year of high school, there was always speculation that he'd be gone," the Houston Rockets' Chuck Hayes, who played for Smith at Kentucky from 2001-05 told The Associated Press. "After every season, there were always rumors. I thought it was just rumors again this year, people talking."

Earlier this month, before the Wildcats played their first-round NCAA Tournament game, Barnhart issued a statement supporting Smith, saying "Tubby's our basketball coach."

But Barnhart also said that he and Smith would sit down after the season to discuss potential changes -- and declined to say whether any of Smith's assistants might be replaced.

Meanwhile, while watching the defending national champion Gators practice in St. Louis in preparation for their Sweet 16 game against Butler on Friday, Florida athletic director Jeremy Foley did not seem particularly concerned if Kentucky pursues coach Billy Donovan.

When asked whether he expected Kentucky to contact Donovan, Foley replied, "It's a free world. There's nothing to prevent them from doing that."

"We're trying to win an NCAA championship. He's our coach and he's been tremendously loyal for a long time. That's all I'm going to say about it."

Donovan and Foley have been discussing a contract extension but have not agreed to one. Foley said he expected it to get done.

Donovan had not heard about Smith's decision when approached by a Louisville Courier-Journal reporter just before the start of practice Thursday. When asked about it, Donovan said, "I know you have to ask me that, but right now I'm here to coach my team and win a national championship."

According to sources, Marquette coach Tom Crean, Michigan State's Tom Izzo, Memphis coach John Calipari, Gonzaga's Mark Few, Notre Dame's Mike Brey, Texas' Rick Barnes, Texas A&M's Billy Gillispie and Villanova's Jay Wright are expected to be candidates for what is one of the few premier jobs in men's college basketball.

Barnhart said he will immediately start an "exhaustive, comprehensive and focused" search for the next coach.


SOURCE: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2808406

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Hmmm ... Interesting ... Lets see what he can do.
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Posted 22 March 2007 - 07:14 PM

Kobe is the greatest scorer of all time bar none.
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Posted 22 March 2007 - 07:58 PM

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Kobe is the greatest scorer of all time bar none.


Wilt Chamberlain and his 32 games of 60 points or more may object to this statement...
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Posted 22 March 2007 - 09:16 PM

kobe is nuts

and he better not get a suspension for that elbow.
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