[lakers]

this is some great covert planning by the spurs. LA shouldve thought of that.

[ZWD]

Wow the Jazz are in the WCF...

Who would've thought

[FusionGT2]

Interesting facts. MVP Vote totals:
1. Dirk Nowitzki - 1,138 points (83 first-place votes)
2. Steve Nash - 1,013 points (44 first-place votes)
3. Kobe Bryant - 521 points (2 first-place votes)
4. Tim Duncan - 286 points
5. LeBron James - 183 points

How can the same group of people who voted Kobe to the 1st All Defense Team, ignore the fact that he is also the scoring champ and give him only 2 first place votes in favor of Dirk?
So what they're trying to say is, Kobe is the best scorer and a top 5 defender, but gets only 1% of the best player vote?
MVP has always been the best player in the league. MVP stands for Most Valuable Player. These new definitions for MVP are BS.

Shaq said the other day that Kobe has his vote for MVP. What a liar.

I agree with you 100%

[GO!zilla]

the "ur not in a good team so u can't win mvp" is such bs. most valuable player... lakers wouldnt even have 15 wins without kobe.

[epark1281]

i hope the bulls can pull off what no other nba team has ever done, come back from an 0-3 deficit and win the series

i'm hoping for the same thing. Watching the game last night, they didn't look as confused and befuddled as they did the first two games. It looks like they figured out Detroit's D.

Tim and Bowen was already in the game.
The irony out of all of this, they had the camera right on the Suns bench. Did we ever see the Spurs bench? NOOOOOO

You didn't see the Spurs bench for a good reason, because the foul happened right in front of the Suns bench, duh. And the officials were there as well. Just because it wasn't put on the TV cameras doesn't mean the League can't find out of Spurs players left the bench.
By the way, does Raja Bell ever shut up?

[Krn_Track_Star]

man the warriors game wuz good yesterday but im happy they actually did wut i wuz telling people stop taking so much 3's and drive it. =) but only thing i didnt like it wuz they alwayz complained if they missed the lay up saying they got fouled and didnt get back in defense besides that i wuz pretty much happy with them not taking soo much 3's. well only reason dirk got the mvp is that he lead the mavs on winning streak of 13 + win 3 times while kobe couldnt even get a winning streak of 8 + wins. also he got mvp because remember the mavs started 0-4 beginning of the season. well i think kobe is a good player but is no MJ because MJ took the bulls to the finals which kobe hasnt done it.


NE WAYS LETS GO BULLS TAKE OUT THOSE PISTONS. I REALLY HOPE I DONT SEE SPURS AND SUNS IN THE FINAL. if that happens im not gonna watch the finals.

[Kit_Starter]

Anyway this series easily could have been 3-1 as of now. Last night the Jazz played well, despite their turnovers. The warriors just wont win when their 3s dont go down. Remember Nellie gives his team the freedom to do w/e they want running the floor and the guys just happen to like to launch it from beyond the arc. If we lose, its cuz we beat ourselves.

By saying that you make both the Warriors and Jazz look bad. The Warriors for making them look like chokers and the Jazz for making them look not as good as they are which is impostrous since they are in the Conference Finals and no team makes the Conference Finals by accident. But teams can make the Second Round by accident though which is what the Warriors have proven this year.

[Danny897]

BS suspensions called by the league =_= it was totally unnecessary to suspend stoudemire and diaw. should've just been horry alone. that kool-aid

[Kit_Starter]

well i think kobe is a good player but is no MJ because MJ took the bulls to the finals which kobe hasnt done it.

That's funny because I seem to have a vague remembrance of seeing Kobe in the Finals in 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2004.

[epark1281]

BS suspensions called by the league =_= it was totally unnecessary to suspend stoudemire and diaw. should've just been horry alone. that kool-aid

Yes, it was necessary for them to suspend them. The rules are laid out in black and white, during an altercation on the floor, if you are on the bench, you are not allowed to LEAVE the bench. This rule has been ESPECIALLY observed after what happened at Auburn Hills, MI. Amare knew this, and so did Diaw. There were plenty of times during the regular season that players on other teams got suspended for leaving the bench, a la Knicks vs. Nuggets. There were players that simply stood up and took two steps towards the scrum that got suspended. Amare was on the floor, along with Diaw, when the altercation took place, and believe me, there was an altercation. The only ones whining about this call are Suns fans, and that's ONLY because it's in the playoffs and it may cost them a game. You don't change the rules just because it's the playoffs. Rules are rules, period. You don't have to like them, but you MUST be consistent, and in this case, the league was consistent.

[gary]

^ yeah, the leaving the bench rule is seriously the most iron clad rule that the nba enforces, because of that player-fan violence thing. if you step out on the court, stern will suspend you.

Tim and Bowen was already in the game.
The irony out of all of this, they had the camera right on the Suns bench. Did we ever see the Spurs bench? NOOOOOO

actually, when they said that tim duncan and bruce bowen were also on the court, they were talking about a seperate incident during the game. apparently the incident was when fransisco elson dunked the ball and james jones undercut him. according to the sources i read, tim duncan came out onto the court from the bench with bruce bowen trying to hold him back.

[BuckNasty]

well only reason dirk got the mvp is that he lead the mavs on winning streak of 13 + win 3 times while kobe couldnt even get a winning streak of 8 + wins. also he got mvp because remember the mavs started 0-4 beginning of the season. well i think kobe is a good player but is no MJ because MJ took the bulls to the finals which kobe hasnt done it.

My point exactly. Since when did MVP change to "the star player in the winningest team during the season?"
You completely missed my point. The point was, Kobe was voted in both the 1st All Defensive Team and the 1st All NBA Team. Yet these same people, who voted Kobe into the top 5 players bracket, only gave him TWO first place votes. Oh wait, Kobe's team only won 42 games, that MUST mean Dirk's a better player.
Now I'm not saying Kobe should've won MVP this year, he would've heard it more than Dirk did. But get outta here with that BS.
What does team record have anything to do with being MVP?

If I remember correctly, Kobe was in the Finals with the Lakers on four different occasions. Oh yeah, I think he won three out of those four.
Jordan didn't do it alone, neither did Kobe.

So Horry gets 2 games for his check on Nash, but B. Diddy/J. Rich didn't get squat for their hard fouls on Derek Fisher/Mehmet Okur. Davis/Richardsons' fouls were probably worse than Horry's.
As for Stoudamire/Diaw's suspensions, blame the Suns' coaching staff for not being able to control their players. Which obviously cost them Game 5.

[GO!zilla]

You should say kobe should get the mvp, cuz he does deserve it. Scoring champ + 1 team all defense... isn't that the complete game of basketball? offense and defense? -____-' kobe is the most all around player in the nba and he showcased his BEST season this year. He even had the rivals fans cheering mvp (celtics) and every road game, someone was yelling MVP MVP.

[ZWD]

lol BS suspensions.

Poor Phoenix.

[gary]

i think the most logical way of looking at the mvp voting is to take the player off the team, and imagine what would happen. we know that the mavs and suns would still make the playoffs, because they have talent on the roster. They probably wouldn't be #1 and #2 seeds, but most likely, they would make the playoffs. but lakers without kobe are not even a .500 team. they're contending for lottery, easily. kobe is the most valuable player to his team. shouldn't the most valuable player to his team be awarded the mvp? and dirk isn't even the most valuable player on his team, it was always about josh howard and the contributions he made. at least the suns can say that nash was the most valuable player to his team(although i still think its marion). but hands down, the most valuable player on the lakers is kobe.

[BuckNasty]

The only reason I didn't want Kobe to get MVP this year is because of all the haters.
Look at Dirk, he's already getting bombed on by the haters and critics. Kobe would've heard it for years.

The only way I see Kobe ever getting MVP is if:
He makes both the 1st All NBA Team and the 1st All Defensive Team (wait, he did that this year)
Wins the scoring title (31.6ppg, next was Melo with 28.9ppg)
Wins NBA All-Star MVP (again, he got it this year)
Wait, so what didn't he do this season? Oh yeah, he failed to get past the 1st round because his team is downright sorry.

I would've been less frustrated if they gave it to Nash.
MVP stands for Most Valuable Player. If the NBA were to clean it's slate and re-draft the entire league based on the players in the league right now, who do you think the #1 pick would go to?

[FusionGT2]

the "ur not in a good team so u can't win mvp" is such bs. most valuable player... lakers wouldnt even have 15 wins without kobe.

Think.. LeBron James.

By saying that you make both the Warriors and Jazz look bad. The Warriors for making them look like chokers and the Jazz for making them look not as good as they are which is impostrous since they are in the Conference Finals and no team makes the Conference Finals by accident. But teams can make the Second Round by accident though which is what the Warriors have proven this year.

Ok maybe we need to analyze this more? Lets make this simple. What you said is true. I did mean to say the Warriors are bad in respect to their do or die playing style. That is something they have to improve on. You say that no team makes it to the CF by accident but they do in the 2nd round? Why do you think the league changed it from a 5 game to 7 game series 1st round? You're saying the Ws beat Mavs by accident? Sorry not true. The Ws were lucky enough to go against a team they match up very well against. Both Mavs and Ws do not have a strong inside presence, and as far as the Guard match ups, Warriors took that one. Davis was unstoppable against the Mavs for the most part whereas the Jazz had the guards to slow him down, as shown in the last 2 games of the Warrior/Jazz series. However, if you paid any attention to the 1st two games of the series, you would see that it wasnt so much the Jazz beating the Warriors, but the Warriors beating themselves. So that leads to the conclusion that the Warriors shot themselves in the foot. Im not gona sit here and say the Jazz dont deserve to be in the CFinals however. They are a fundamentally sound team and played well throughout most of the games (except game3). Both the Warriors and Jazz have their weaknesses. Warriors being small and unable to rebound well, poor free throw shooting and lack a strong inside presence. Jazz being turnover ridden. The series could've gone either way, but the Jazz managed to squeak by in the 1st 2 games and take care of business in their home court. Kudos to them for that. Both teams played well in this series and it was enjoyable to watch. GL to them against the Suns/Spurs. The end.

[BuckNasty]

By accident the Warriors owned the Mavs? Pure and simple, that's a comment by a hater.
FusionGT has a good idea of what went on in the Jazz/Warriors series. The Jazz have bigger point guards who can put a body on B. Diddy and make it a physical game. Even AK47 guarded B.Diddy. This slowed down the tempo and let the Jazz get to work on the inside. C'mon, how is Biedrins supposed to guard Boozer?
The Warriors get easily frustrated and they have the 2nd biggest ticking time bomb in the league, Stephen Jackson. Doug Collins said in game 5 that the game of basketball should be played with passion, not emotion. The Warriors obviously let their emotions get the better of them plenty of times during the series. Frustration eventually led to bad shot choices which cost them the series. So yeah, like everybody has been saying, the Warriors shot themselves in the foot. But it's not by accident that the Warriors advanced to the 2nd round. Devin Harris and Jason Terry ain't got nothing on B. Diddy. The Warriors played their game perfectly against the Mavs.

LeBron James. Yeah, he's an offensive machine. He creates plays for himself and for his teammates. He'll be further up in the MVP candidate list as soon as he starts playing some real defense.

[DOVAHKIIN]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_MVP

Check all the winners and the history..

The award hasn't neccesarily gone the best player on the best team in the NBA in recent years, hence the close edge between Nash and Shaq a few years back.

Since the 1982-83 NBA season, only players from teams with 50 or more wins have won the award, all but assuring that the MVP will be from a playoff-bound team

06-07 Lakers = 42-40, barely successful.

IMO, MVP goes to a player whose team has had immense success throughout the season, a player whose had a major impact for his very successful team and makes his teammates better (statistically anyway): (eg: Nash, Shaq)

No matter how sensational Kobe's numbers and All-NBA teams he's made, his team still struggled throughout the season. Kevin Garnett won the award back in 2004. The Pacers had the best record that year and Ron Artest complained that he should've won it because he was the best player on the best team. The Wolves had a very good record that year, not the top, but one of the best in the league. That's an example of how the award doesn't always go to the best player on the best team.

Guys like Nash, Shaq and LeBron have made huge impacts upon their arrivals with their teams: Nash's obvious impact with the Suns, the Heat's power presence in the last two years (not counting this year) and the rising Cavaliers of course.

And honestly, I believe Nash should've won it again. But yes, this is the one year where people just looked at the Mavericks' terrific 67 win season and gave it to their best player: Dirk.

Nash is still MVP in my books.

[Krn_Track_Star]

well im not saying kobe is a bad player oh i think they didnt give him mvp because how many times did he get suspended for a dirty play. i think like 3 times this year because he elbowed ppl in the face on accident. im not here to bash on kobe or ne thing but proven in the playoffs when u shut out dirk the mavs are nothing and same goes for kobe but remember he has players like odom who can back up kobe. well espn and msnbc sports had a great article why dirk was right for the mvp but i cant seem to find the link. oh one more thing how may 7 ft + players do u know that can shoot light out from behind the arc. i only seem to know dirk who can shoot lights out which is really interesting.

quoted from nba

Nowitzki was the team leader as the Mavericks became the first team in NBA history to record three streaks of 12 or more wins (12, 13 and 17) and just the fourth team ever to have three double-digit winning streaks in the same season. He was the only player in the league this season to shoot at least 50 percent from the field (.502), 40 percent from three-point range (.416) and 90 percent from the freethrow line (.904).

datz probably why he got the mvp award