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#701 User is offline   dancesakura 

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 07:06 PM

QUOTE(dark intuitions @ Oct 30 2006, 05:00 AM) View Post
dancesakura:
it works if you believe it. You aren't just singing, you are becoming a character. Trust me, it happens in drama also.

i did that and i can sort of see a little improvement not a lot. but i'll have to keep practicing for my voice to get better im assuming. thanks for answering my question. :)

i also have another question..i dunno if this was asked before cuz i didnt check..but..yeah..anyways..do people who sing hear a different voice from what others hear? like..my friends says my voice is nice and everthing but when i record and listen to it..i sound totally different from what i imagine.. :x sorry if this was asked before >.<;;;
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#702 User is offline   J0N 

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 09:43 PM

dark intuition: sorrry about your rabbit sad.gif. As for your question I cant help, because i dont even know myself if i'm singing in headvoice or falsetto. I think i'm singing in headvoice but i'm not sure vicx.gif.


QUOTE(Rea @ Oct 31 2006, 08:39 PM) View Post

wow so many answers XD yay
anyways i want to ask... when you sing you need to push from your stomach and not use like.. your voice *you kno what i mean* or else it will damage them right o.o >.> i need help on the breathing thing

theres half and half on what i get and what i dont. if you sign up to sing lessons they teach them to you right? like they tell you about falsetto,alto and stuff >.< im planning to sign up o.o its so hard without a teacher T.T


From what I know, when you sing from your stomache and support it (i still dont really know what that means) it puts less pressure on your vocal cords. Which then means that your throat wont feel like its being forced. From personal experiences, some day I can kareoke(sing along) to a few songs over and over and my voice will never feel like its being strained, but some days i can sing couple sings and all of sudden feel like i have a sore throat. When that happens usually i pick up on it and notice that its usually because of my breathing.

I've also read an article somewhere (this might not be anything new to you but when i found out it was for me) that usually beginner singers like my self, think that drinking water right before we start singing or while singing helps more than it really does.

I found the article so I'll just quote it.

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It takes at least twenty minutes, on an empty stomach, for water to cycle around your system and show up at the membranes where it’s needed. Other beverages take longer because they must be digested.

Contrary to belief, nothing we swallow touches the vocal folds. All of the potions singers consume in an effort to wet their whistle are channeled away from the larynx by the epiglottis and sent down the esophagus. It’s just as well. Like the eye, the larynx should be awash in saline, not tea or honey. Even if your drink seeps down to the vocal folds, the air stream created to sing promptly blow-dries the area. If you are driving your voice hard, or are nervous, the muscles in the throat tighten. The tension closes the saliva ducts designated for the larynx. Like blinking, swallowing changes the muscles’ position for a second and allows the ducts to open and relubricate -- that’s if you are hydrated in the first place.



Well, I hope something I said has helped.


QUOTE(dancesakura @ Oct 31 2006, 09:06 PM) View Post

i also have another question..i dunno if this was asked before cuz i didnt check..but..yeah..anyways..do people who sing hear a different voice from what others hear? like..my friends says my voice is nice and everthing but when i record and listen to it..i sound totally different from what i imagine.. :x sorry if this was asked before >.<;;;


Its probably have been answered, but since I'm on a roll, I'll answer it. When you sing you hear the sound that resonates (I think thats the word) in your body and thats the sound you hear, but as it travels thru all the other muscles and then actually comes out of ur mouth, it'll sound a little different thru the air. So thats why when you sing, record, and playback it'll sound different because you're use to singing and hearing whats resonating in your body/skull. Thats why they say if you want to get better, record your self and hear how you sound.

Since i got kinda stucked i decided to search and here is the best answer i found haha

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This perception is very common and a person can be rather surprised by how their voice sounds when recorded. Most people find their recorded voice higher in pitch and somewhat thin, when compared to their spoken voice.

The vibrations produced by our larynx are transmitted to our ears through both the air and our head. We 'hear' our voices through the air and through our body. A recording of a person's voice captures only the information transmitted through the air. When played back, we hear only the portion of the sound that was transmitted through the air, without any of the colourations produced when it travels through our body. If you plug your ears very soundly and speak, you will 'hear' everything you say, but your voice will sound very different than with your ears open.


I hope that helps. I'm also a beginner, so I apologize if anything is wrong vicx.gif.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 10:23 PM

Rea:
Yeah, like J0n said, I think you need to support your voice with your stomach, and not "sing from the throat". Hmm, how to explain this...ok, when you breathe in deeply as you are singing, your chest isn't supposed to go out, instead, your stomach is, kinda like you're expanding it. (my choir teacher once told me "you are allowed to be fat when you sing" ^^) To know that you are doing this, you can put your hands palms down on your stomach so your fingertips are just touching, and then when you breath in, you should notice your hands moving apart a little.

Falsetto- well, i can't tell the difference between my head voice and my falsetto actually sweatingbullets.gif
But hmm, I'll get that thing I found in the speech level singing thing for you and summarise.
Vocal Registers:Chest- vocal cords vibrate along their entire length, resonance is predominantly in the chest. It's a very full rich sound
Head- highest part of natural range, cords zip up 2/3 of the way leaving 1/3 to vibrate. you can feel vibrations at the back of your head. It's a lighter sound
Falsetto- cords are long and only the outer borders vibrate, thus producing a false voice. It lacks depth and colour.

And Alto, I'm guessing you mean vocal types? Like, voice ranges?
Soprano: Highest female part
Mezzo: Inbetween sop and alto
Alto: Lowest female part
Tenor: Highest natural male part (i'm not sure where castrato goes, but i'm fairly certain there aren't many people who need to worry about that nowadays)
Baritone: Middle range for guys
Bass: Lowest range for guys.
http://www.library.yale.edu/cataloging/music/vocalrg.htm
Nice link showing the ranges.

dancesakura: Practice ^^ That's all you can do!
Umm, ok, yeah, there is a difference between what you hear and what other people hear, and it's due to internal resonance...unfortunately, I don't know why, but yeah, what you sound like, and what you think you sound like are usually very different, and you need to keep practicing so you learn to control it!


J0n, much thanks sad.gif


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Posted 01 November 2006 - 09:09 AM

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 02:33 PM

Hi guys

I have a quick question...this has probably been asked before, so sorry for digging it up again

I'm wondering if there's anyway to adapt a regular vocal microphone for recording onto a computer? Or if there isn't, is there a good quality computer mic that you would recommend?

I'm just using a regular comp. mic right now...and well....it sucks....haha

thanks for you help! biggrin.gif
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#706 User is offline   dancesakura 

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Posted 02 November 2006 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE(J0N @ Nov 1 2006, 12:43 AM) View Post
Its probably have been answered, but since I'm on a roll, I'll answer it. When you sing you hear the sound that resonates (I think thats the word) in your body and thats the sound you hear, but as it travels thru all the other muscles and then actually comes out of ur mouth, it'll sound a little different thru the air. So thats why when you sing, record, and playback it'll sound different because you're use to singing and hearing whats resonating in your body/skull. Thats why they say if you want to get better, record your self and hear how you sound.
oohhh i see now. i will do that more often then. i really do want to get better. hopefully i will..^^;; thank you for answering my question! ^^

QUOTE(dark intuitions @ Nov 1 2006, 01:23 AM) View Post
dancesakura: Practice ^^ That's all you can do!
Umm, ok, yeah, there is a difference between what you hear and what other people hear, and it's due to internal resonance...unfortunately, I don't know why, but yeah, what you sound like, and what you think you sound like are usually very different, and you need to keep practicing so you learn to control it!
aye aye! i will keep on practicing until i get better..maybe one day ill record a clip and let you guys hear how i sound lke..hehe ^^;;

thank you j0n and dark intuitions! ^^;;
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Posted 03 November 2006 - 08:31 AM

QUOTE(.ice.fate. @ Nov 2 2006, 08:33 AM) View Post

Hi guys

I have a quick question...this has probably been asked before, so sorry for digging it up again

I'm wondering if there's anyway to adapt a regular vocal microphone for recording onto a computer? Or if there isn't, is there a good quality computer mic that you would recommend?

I'm just using a regular comp. mic right now...and well....it sucks....haha

thanks for you help! biggrin.gif

Yes. If you're talking about the real professional microphones with the 6.3mm (1/4") plugs, then you'd need to convert that to 3.5mm (1/8") plug to connect to a standard computer soundcard. That convertor is usually cheap, say about 5 dollars give or take.

The thing is, the sound input might not be strong enough if you don't use a real computer mic and so you might need to get an amplifier too. But you can at least try the plugs first, if the sound is weak, then you'd need an amplifier.

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 08:47 AM

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Yeah, like J0n said, I think you need to support your voice with your stomach, and not "sing from the throat". Hmm, how to explain this...ok, when you breathe in deeply as you are singing, your chest isn't supposed to go out, instead, your stomach is, kinda like you're expanding it. (my choir teacher once told me "you are allowed to be fat when you sing" ^^) To know that you are doing this, you can put your hands palms down on your stomach so your fingertips are just touching, and then when you breath in, you should notice your hands moving apart a little.

When singing with support,I never aim to inflate my stomach.

The aim of breathe supporting (as some here know) is to accurately control the amount of air that is applied to the vocal folds. This is done by the muscles (I believe their called the oblique muscles, but I don't know if its the external or internal). These muscles are found where above your hip bone below your ribs.

When done correctly, the muscle near your stomach (apparently its the solar plexus (I need to get this looked up lol as I just got this info from another singer), not the stomach, which is located behind the stomach) pushes out forward gently, hence why the majority always say, "sing with your stomach!".

Some people believe that some people were born with natural supports, others need to learn it. Some believe that support is the by product of good balanced vocal technique. I agree with the latter, but whatever does it for you guys, do it.


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Can you actually train your voice overtime so that it becomes 'smoky' and 'husky'??
Has anyone who has a normal voice trained their vocals so that overtime even when they talk their voice sounds 'smoky' and 'husky'??

I remember reading before, but I can't remember who/where I read it off, making your voice husky or obtaining a husky voice is never safe.

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 04:56 PM

1) Does anyone know to change the pitch in Audition without making it slow down the song? Whenever I do, the song gets slower :[

2) One of my main problems is I tighten to throat area too much when I sing. Also, it tends to vary with the songs I sing and I'm still trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. Like when I sing some Christian songs, my throat tightens which is WEIRD because those songs aren't actually all that hard to sing. However, even some korean songs that are in a much harder key I can sing with alot less tension. Anyone have any tips to get rid of this tension? Thanks.

3) I sometimes get kind of dizzy/headache-y when I sing. Some of my limbs also start to get the "tickly/falling asleep" feeling where it tingles. I don't know if this is because of bad breathing or tension or what but it's weird.
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Posted 04 November 2006 - 05:45 AM

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1) Does anyone know to change the pitch in Audition without making it slow down the song? Whenever I do, the song gets slower :[

2) One of my main problems is I tighten to throat area too much when I sing. Also, it tends to vary with the songs I sing and I'm still trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. Like when I sing some Christian songs, my throat tightens which is WEIRD because those songs aren't actually all that hard to sing. However, even some korean songs that are in a much harder key I can sing with alot less tension. Anyone have any tips to get rid of this tension? Thanks.

3) I sometimes get kind of dizzy/headache-y when I sing. Some of my limbs also start to get the "tickly/falling asleep" feeling where it tingles. I don't know if this is because of bad breathing or tension or what but it's weird.


I think 2) could be from a host of problems.
Usually constrictions/straining can occur from mood, level of confidence, how you approach your notes, the style you have approached that song with, etc.

Do you try harder to sound better on Christian songs? Relax, sing without "vocal modifications", ie trying to make the tone sound smoother, nicer etc, and see if the tension is still there. If it isn't, then you found your problem. Otherwise post back yo.


I don't know about problem 3), do you sit properly? Posture must be good when singing, your ears over your sholders, back straight, shoulders relaxed and not brought up. Don't flop when you sing, as in bend your stomach. If standing, are you sure your standing firm?
Don't sit where your legs are higher than your hips (personal bad experience - not sure if it applies to everyone else).

1) I don't know, but when I heard my friend bump pitches in Audition, it doesn't slow down the song. The song might just sound slower when it's on a lower pitch because everything sounds slo-mo in a way (to me it does!).

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Posted 04 November 2006 - 06:11 PM

Does anyone know or can recommend a good vocal teacher in nyc area? sweatingbullets.gif
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 04:27 AM

QUOTE(babiepooh @ Nov 5 2006, 01:11 PM) View Post

Does anyone know or can recommend a good vocal teacher in nyc area? sweatingbullets.gif

Depends on what your budget is. Have you looked into the SLS qualified teachers in America? A quick google of "Seth Riggs" or a phonecall to him if it's cheap would be the best option. I think they charge a lot though.

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 09:47 PM

QUOTE(sikkony @ Nov 6 2006, 07:27 AM) View Post

Depends on what your budget is. Have you looked into the SLS qualified teachers in America? A quick google of "Seth Riggs" or a phonecall to him if it's cheap would be the best option. I think they charge a lot though.


sorry for asking a stupid question but what does sls stand for?
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 10:41 PM

Speech Level Singing
There's a thread around here somewhere about it

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 12:28 AM

I am soooo sorry, I feel like an idiot. But how do you...upload songs on soundclick? And how do you record them? What do you use to record? OMG, I feel so dumb! LOL thanks lots if you can help me! blush.gif sweatingbullets.gif I am new too this, SORRY AGAIN!
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:11 AM

i want to start singing lessons and i was wonderinggggggg
how long does it take before you can sing properly in tune...

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:45 AM

i want o upload songs onto my church web how do i do it..??
they re on mp3 file HELP!!
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Posted 07 November 2006 - 11:17 PM

QUOTE(xOxEurasianxOx @ Nov 7 2006, 08:11 PM) View Post

i want to start singing lessons and i was wonderinggggggg
how long does it take before you can sing properly in tune...

Depends on different people. Shouldn't take more than a few months I would think. I'm not sure.

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i want o upload songs onto my church web how do i do it..??
they re on mp3 file HELP!!
pleaseㅠㅠ

Depends on how the server your uploading is. If it's FTP, use a program like SmartFTP (excellent free program), enter the FTP address (church's webspace URL), user/password.

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 07:40 PM

does anyone knows how do u upload ur song onto soundtrack? i'm confused... i wanna try too!! it's so fun! help me plz!! thanx!

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 07:05 PM

how do i install a mic? i have a mic but i dunno how to install it..
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