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#1 User is offline   konceptz 

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 10:04 AM

This is to all us skinny guys that want to put on mass.

My story isn't all that long, but I've gone through so much information in the last two years, that I feel like a damn trainer. Also keep in mind it's just my opinions, what may work for me, may not work for you.

So, I've always been an active guy. Played a lot of soccer and ran a ton, which kept me fit. I never was able to gain a good amount of muscle. I could eat anything, at any time, and never gain a single pound. I felt like I would be trapped in my 5'8", 135 lbs body forever! Even through college while I was going to the gym 3-4 times a week. I would gain strength, and look a little bigger, but I would never be able to gain that "all around weight".

I then started researching, learning, and training harder than ever. I found that there was almost zero information out there for Asians. None of the drugs had been tested on Asians, nor did we have any forum to learn from each other. In a field where genetics plays a huge role, we don't get any good information. So, long story short, I went from 135lbs to 180lbs in about 8 months. (Which isn't a staggering end result).
It's the end of summer now, and I'm back down to around 160 (for the ladies i guess), but I plan to "bulk up" to 200 lbs if I can make that this winter.

At any rate, on to the good stuff.

Workout routines.

I found a couple of things really important for us ectomorphs (skinny people or "hardgainers").

Keep it simple! If you wanted to train to be a ninja warrior, you would do that. While all the fancy gear, machines and balls are a nice tool to use, we should just forget about them for the time being.
Squats, Deadlifts, Benchpress. These are the only three things you should worry about to start. They will make you strong, they will make you grow.

"You shouldn't worry about any one part of your body being a weak link, because your whole body is a weak link!"
-This really helped me understand that, although some of us may have “good arms” or “tight abs”, we’re not really that strong. I would say, if you don’t know exactly how much weight you can lift from the ground to above your head, right now, then you have a long ways to go in understanding your body and making it grow!
-People have bad stigmas about squats and dead lifts. Just don’t worry about that. Check out online how to do them, and do them!
-I did a 20 rep squat program, which was the most rewarding lifting experience of my entire life. I started with the most weight I could do once, the one rep squat. Then I took off 90 lbs, and did 20 of them without stopping. I loaded 10 more pounds a week onto the bar, and in 9 weeks I could do 20 reps of my previous max.
-Dead lifts I followed the same pattern. Just made sure to increase every time.

Q: “Why would I do this, when I want my upper body to look bigger? I already have RLS (Rice Leg Syndrome).”
A: This uses your upper body, and sends a growth signal to your entire body. It will also use your butt muscles. You want weight, I’m giving you weight.


-Finally, I’m not saying you can’t do other parts, like curls and stuff like that. I’m saying that they will never help you grow your entire body. Big arms will come, but how can you curl 150lbs, when your back will only hold 90lbs? What I’m saying is that this is the WORKOUT FOUNDATION for you to get bigger, stronger and look better!

Nutrition

If working out is 50%, this is the other 150%. Because we don’t want to be 100%, we want to be 200% bigger… wink.gif
Here’s a sample regiment.

Meal 1 (7 AM)
-1 cup of dry oats mixed with water
-1 cup of egg beaters

Meal 2 (9 AM)
-Meal replacement packet with a 40/40/20 nutrient ratio, mixed with water or a protein powder (with around 40 grams of protein) mixed with 40 grams of carbs from cream of rice, grits, or oatmeal.
-1 Tablespoon of Flaxseed Oil or Olive Oil.

Meal 3 (12 Noon)
-1 cup of brown rice, or 1 quarter of Soba Noodle, or 1 cup of oatmeal
-2 cups of green beans, broccoli or any other desired vegetable
-6-8 ounces of chicken, turkey, or lean fish

Meal 4 (3 PM)
-Same as Meal 2

Meal 5 (6 PM)
-1 cup of brown rice, or 1 quarter of Soba Noodle, or 1 cup of oatmeal
-2 cups of green beans, broccoli or any other desired vegetable
-6-8 ounces of chicken, turkey, or lean fish

Meal 6 (8 PM)
-Same as Meal 2


Q: “But I eat all the time now!”
A: No, you don’t. You just eat whenever you want to, without purpose, and trick yourself into thinking you eat all the time. You’ll know when you’re getting enough when you go to the bathroom 3x a day or more. (yuk right?)

Q: “Why can’t I just eat 3 really big meals a day?”
A: Because we’re putting your body in a constant state of accelerated growth. You need to tell your body that it doesn’t ever have to worry about food or nutrients.


Other Nutrition

Q: “Should I take supplements?”
A: Yes. I’ve tried a number of types of creatine, some worked and some didn’t, as well as other types of enhancers. Also you MUST take a multi-vitamin every day.

Q: “What about smoking?”
A: Quit, now. You can’t have one smoke, or else it’ll all fail. You know how doctors tell you not to smoke while you’re recovering from injury? It’s the same thing. You’re constantly injuring your body. Smoking will affect that, as well as lunch capacity making you not able to get the last couple reps of your last set. That’s where all the gains are made.

Q: “Other drugs?”
A: Don’t. My friend was on sleep aids, and couldn’t gain anything. I would say, if it makes you feel slow, weak, sleepy or high, then it’s probably not helping you gain muscle.

Q: “How long do I do this for?”
A: Until you hit a plateau and move beyond the scope of what I know. But I think you’ll have already gained a lot by then.

Q: “What about this is asian specific?”
A: Well I seem to have gotten carried away with some of the basics. But I assure you that these apply to us. Maybe I’ll do another one or some product reviews and how they affect me, an asian ectomorph

Q: "How much sleep should I be getting?"
A: You need a full 8 hours a night while in training.



Keep at it, don’t stop and enjoy yourself! It’s like a video game where you keep getting better and there is no end. But, you can take the results with you!

Oh yeah, here are some old comparison pics... Although it's not like the same angle.




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#2 User is offline   konceptz 

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 10:14 AM

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#3 User is offline   Melitus 

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 10:45 AM

nice man, i just brought a bucket of cretine yesturday and i tried it out...I don't ven know how much it want me to drink per day..like 3-4 serving...but is that equal o like 3-4 glass lol? On the bright side for some odd reason the protein and mutivatime enhance my appetite..it's wierd. Is it suppose to do that? I will make a thread shortly but is it unhealthy to gain 10 pounds in 10 days? that is what the ad says.
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Posted 11 September 2007 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE(Melitus @ Sep 11 2007, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
nice man, i just brought a bucket of cretine yesturday and i tried it out...I don't ven know how much it want me to drink per day..like 3-4 serving...but is that equal o like 3-4 glass lol? On the bright side for some odd reason the protein and mutivatime enhance my appetite..it's wierd. Is it suppose to do that? I will make a thread shortly but is it unhealthy to gain 10 pounds in 10 days? that is what the ad says.


What type/brand of creatine did you get? I've tried a couple of the mono-hydrate and some of the CEE (Ethyl Ester)

10 lbs in 10 days sounds dooable, although it won't be muscle by almost any means. You may gain 10 lbs of water weight, which leads me to believe that you got monohydrate, because ethyl-ester claims to not incur bloating.

As far as doses go, during the "loading" phase, you should be taking around 8-10g's per day, directly after workouts and with some type of sugar glucose. (I honestly forgot what the exact mechanism is, but it has to do with absorbtion.)

Then, during the "normal phase" you should take around 4-5g's per day.

You also should be cycling off creatine every 5-6 weeks, so your body doesn't stop producing it naturally.

Hope this helps.
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Posted 11 September 2007 - 01:29 PM

allmax; Quickmass

Are there anyway i could do something with the chalky taste, even though it's vanilla but it still has that powdery taste. i'm thinking of heating the cretine so it would be liquidy protein but i'm afriad heat may destroy the protein. Can i heat the protein with a combination with water? What is the purpose of multivitatimes?cause the guy that sell me the cretine insisted me to get multivitamins as well.
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#6 User is offline   konceptz 

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 01:38 PM

QUOTE(Melitus @ Sep 11 2007, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
allmax; Quickmass

Are there anyway i could do something with the chalky taste, even though it's vanilla but it still has that powdery taste. i'm thinking of heating the cretine so it would be liquidy protein but i'm afriad heat may destroy the protein. Can i heat the protein with a combination with water? What is the purpose of multivitatimes?cause the guy that sell me the cretine insisted me to get multivitamins as well.


You should not heat the creatine, although i'm not sure exactly at what temp the bonds may break.

Also, creatine helps your body with ATP, so it gives you faster energy recovery. This essentially means you can do more sets, with more reps and you won't get as tired.

If you imagine this funtion as a single process in a much greater one. A good multi vitamin will help your entire process.

Imagine in soccer, that creatine would help you kick the ball harder. Then a multivitamin would help your entire game.
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#7 User is offline   stupidangelx 

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 01:40 PM

besides gaining muscle mass, did u gain any height?

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 02:58 PM

Thanks.

Seriously, i cannot find a proper diet/workout for skinny Asians like me. they are all designed for fatasses male.

I'm 5'8, 130LBS, age 16. My arms are major stick, all the fat goes to my stomach, dont gain weight easily, and legs are skinny.

Don't you have a picture of yourself in a school sport team? i want more reasonable visual evidence.

I think you're able to gain more weight for muscle because your metabolism ALREADY slows down at your age. While you were in high school playing soccer, your metabolism is ridiculous fast unlike your current time. Do you think it's a factor to what you look now?
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Posted 11 September 2007 - 04:37 PM

QUOTE(SWA @ Sep 11 2007, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks.Seriously, i cannot find a proper diet/workout for skinny Asians like me. they are all designed for fatasses male.I'm 5'8, 130LBS, age 16. My arms are major stick, all the fat goes to my stomach, dont gain weight easily, and legs are skinny.Don't you have a picture of yourself in a school sport team? i want more reasonable visual evidence.I think you're able to gain more weight for muscle because your metabolism ALREADY slows down at your age. While you were in high school playing soccer, your metabolism is ridiculous fast unlike your current time. Do you think it's a factor to what you look now?


Ah. that's a great point! I wonder about that sometimes. I don't have a comparison photo of when I was in high school, but I was shorter than you, but skinny as heck.

I've been told that you shouldn't worry about gaining weight at 16, because it will stunt your growth. That doesn't mean you can't do some strength training. You should know that lifting weights isn't going to hurt you more than any other sport at that age, but like any other sport you need the proper coaching to do well.

My advice for you would be to find a gym, or gym in school where you can work out at your own pace. Learn to do the lifts that I talked about, and don't push the weight. Learn each of the lifts really well. Don't take suppliments except a multi-vitamin. You'll put on weight, as long as your diet is good, and you MUST get enough sleep. It's a hard road, but believe me, it's easier to go to bed early when you're 16 then when you're 25.

Don't worry about the gut thing, that just means you don't eat enough as it is. Sounds like your body is storing food and fat for later, because you don't feed it enough.

Keep a good ratio of carbs/protein/fats 40/40/20.
Also: Side effects
-Could include acne, I know I get some more when I increase my workouts, it just means your body is listening to your growth signals.
-Overall tiredness. Which means you need to rest for a couple of days. I know that the "high" will make you want to keep going, but going 3 days a week is better than going 7.
-More attention from girls. (sorry tongue.gif I had to put that in....cause it's true)

QUOTE(stupidangelx @ Sep 11 2007, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
besides gaining muscle mass, did u gain any height?


I didn't gain any height that I noticed. But then again I wasn't going for all out stretching. Why, do I look too short? tongue.gif
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#10 User is offline   Nammi3 

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 01:07 AM

wow six meals a day! lol ....that's why I ain't gaining much weight.

Just a question,
how many calories per day approx is your diet plan?

anyways I like this thread, good info,
I found it really useful.
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#11 User is offline   HaRuEhUn 

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 10:45 AM

great thread wink.gif

oh,,
i wish i could eat six meals
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i have 3 meals a day and i'm dying of it
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H a r u e h u n _ A i r r y

O f f i c i a l _ W e b s i t e
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Posted 17 September 2007 - 03:07 AM

Great advice! The before pic isnt' loading though
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#13 User is offline   konceptz 

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 07:36 AM

QUOTE(Nammi3 @ Sep 14 2007, 04:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wow six meals a day! lol ....that's why I ain't gaining much weight.

Just a question,
how many calories per day approx is your diet plan?

anyways I like this thread, good info,
I found it really useful.


Thanks!

I think my calorie intake is upwards of 6k, although I'd like to get around 8k+

I'm more interested in Protien intake since I'm not a huge guy.
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Posted 18 September 2007 - 08:48 AM

QUOTE(konceptz @ Sep 19 2007, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks!

I think my calorie intake is upwards of 6k, although I'd like to get around 8k+

I'm more interested in Protien intake since I'm not a huge guy.

Thats insane lol

my goal right now is just to get at least 3k+ a day =/ haha

But what was your intake when you first started out and increased your weight from 135lbs to 180lbs in about 8 months?
Don't tell me it was about 6k also? wacko.gif
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Posted 18 September 2007 - 10:39 AM

This has gotta be one of the most helpful threads. Nice work man. However, I'd probably never do this since I am no longer in any active sports hah. (office junkie now) ):
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Posted 20 September 2007 - 12:17 PM

QUOTE(Nammi3 @ Sep 18 2007, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thats insane lol

my goal right now is just to get at least 3k+ a day =/ haha

But what was your intake when you first started out and increased your weight from 135lbs to 180lbs in about 8 months?
Don't tell me it was about 6k also? wacko.gif


Honestly I'm not sure. It was mainly protien counting for me! If you want to grow, multiply your weight by 1.5, and that's how much protien you need in grams.

So. 130lbs X 1.5 = 195g. per day. To put that in perspective, 1 egg = ~8g's protien. so that's 24+ eggs per day. If you're not getting your calories then you're doing something wrong.

Keep in mind you want to eat both natural foods and suppliments. Just eat 4-6 times a day and drink two protien shakes and you'll get big no matter what happens. Next, worry about how to make big be muscular.

Finally, don't eat "EVERYTHING" it doesn't help if you gain 20 lbs of fat. Try and keep it lean and clean.

Also, get some soft toilet paper..... XD

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 12:27 PM

what was your daily workout routine?
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Posted 21 September 2007 - 11:35 AM

QUOTE(watcher @ Sep 20 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what was your daily workout routine?


All of it? Hmmm, ok, I'll do last week then. Cause my lifting goals go up each week.


Day1 - Legs

Warm up - 30 mins Cardio
10x2x135lbs Squats - Warm
20x1x205 Squats
(It's the 20 rep squat program)

5x10x205 Deadlifts

Day 2 - Off

Day 3 - Chest, Back

Warm up 30 mins Cardio
5x10x185 Bench
5x10x150 rows
5x10x185 Decline Bench
5x10x150 Pull Downs
5x10x185 Incline Bench
5x5x100lbs Dumbbell Press
4xto fail Pull ups.

Day 4 - Off

Day 5 - Arms Shoulders

Warm up
10x10x130lbs Wire Curls
5x5x45lbs Seated Dumbell Curls
5x10x80lbs Tricept Pulls
5x10x30lbs lying arm raises (idk what it's really called, but it works the back of the shoulders. that small muscle underneath the shoulder)
5x10x135lbs Seated Shoulder Press

Day 6 - Off

Day 7 - Cardio and Core

Running, Weighted dips, weighted crunches, ball work

Mainly whatever I want or I feel needs work. Also to check in with my body to see how I'm feeling.
This is also a good day to try out new excercises and new machines.

Day 8 - Off

Repeat Day 1.

And that's my workout routine at current. I'm having some good luck with growth using this workout, by adding 5-10lbs to every lift every week. I hope to be a 250 guy soon, then on to 300.

So if I can do 250 squats, 250 Bench, 250 Shoulders. There's no way I can be skinny.

Going on next year if I'm in the 300 club, I should be as big as I've ever wanted.

Those are my goals and my workout. I'd be very grateful for any suggestions or comments!






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Posted 21 September 2007 - 10:37 PM

hey konceptz, thanks for making this thread.
I have some questions.
So briefly about me. I'm 17. I was 145lbs and 5'9, which is pretty skinny.
Normally, I eat healthfully ... about 5 meals a day plus a multivitamin, although I don't go as extreme as very healthful (like the one egg + cup of oatmeal kind of thing). I eat stuff like all natural, low sugar, no high fructose corn syrup granola bars and all natural cereal .. that kind of healthful.
I lift weights about 3 times a week with occasional push ups (with different hand angles) and ab work outs, and also I do martial arts and play soccer. I pretty much kept this size for about maybe 2 years (although the healthful diet didn't come until later).
Recently (about 2 weeks), as a replacement for water I drink with a meal, I added drinking protein shakes (using 8 oz skim milk) for 2 different meals. Within that two weeks I gained 7lbs. That's all I changed, pretty much.

Can you explain how this increase in protein (about 66g) increased my weight? I'm kinda confused on that. I guess how that works. I wasn't really expecting a jump in weight to that extent. It's a good thing though. =]

Also, say my goal is about 155-65lbs. If I were to maintain that would I stop taking protein shakes?

Thanks soo much! =]
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 01:25 AM

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