[cjsedthat]

well im a long time (5 years) tae kwon do 2nd degree freak...
boxer and learned self-defence for a LONG time..
so if u have a question for wat to do in an emergency situation just ask me
and hopefully i can answer

[asianami]

hahah wow okie okie
quick question: what would be the most COOLEST EFFECTING AWESOME-ST way to keeeel someone (or just knock him out for a good hour or more XD) if someone is bothering or wants to molest/rape you or something lyke that? kekeke
(BESIDES KNEEING HIM IN THE GROIN OR SOMETHING !! XD)
i only took some months of karate, not tae kwon do so a response to the situation above would be interesting LOL XD

[Slug]

Sorry, but TKD is useless in self defense.

@ asianami

Most effective way? There's really only one way to go about it. If someone attacks you, grab their body for leverage and ram your knee into their groin. It's an instant KO.

[asianami]

Sorry, but TKD is useless in self defense.

@ asianami

Most effective way? There's really only one way to go about it. If someone attacks you, grab their body for leverage and ram your knee into their groin. It's an instant KO.

LOL i know that one but it's nice to knock some other methods too, even if it might not be so effective compared to the one above HAHAAHA XDDD;;

[cjsedthat]

hahah wow okie okie
quick question: what would be the most COOLEST EFFECTING AWESOME-ST way to keeeel someone (or just knock him out for a good hour or more XD) if someone is bothering or wants to molest/rape you or something lyke that? kekeke
(BESIDES KNEEING HIM IN THE GROIN OR SOMETHING !! XD)
i only took some months of karate, not tae kwon do so a response to the situation above would be interesting LOL XD

Sorry, but TKD is useless in self defense.

@ asianami

Most effective way? There's really only one way to go about it. If someone attacks you, grab their body for leverage and ram your knee into their groin. It's an instant KO.

i said i learned self-defence -____-

LOL i know that one but it's nice to knock some other methods too, even if it might not be so effective compared to the one above HAHAAHA XDDD;;

well theres 2 ways your can make then suffer pain... our u can hit their pressure points and make em pass out or make them suffer xD and the pain one is easier

1. grab there hair and pull and lift your knee up and BAM!!! there face is gonna be like...dayumm..
2. grab their hands and get your hand and put force into your hand let it be straight and hit em in the adams apple..lemme tell u -___-
the necks gonna be SOOO swollen up its gonna look likea tumor..

and the people can recover from a hit in the groin -___-
they can still move



if u get em at the right point u they cant move...
but if u hit it..sometimes they can die..

[asianami]

LOL OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH SWEEET
SO SAVING YOUR POST & PIC IN MY COMPUTER!
Laaa ~ I shall now experiment these moves on my brothers
and verify to you if they work or not . n__n;
NVM MY PARENTS ARE HOME! >_____>

OH btw in the second tip, do you mean hit with your hand
lyke your palm to the adams apple? lyke that?
cuz at first i thought you meant hit them at the adams apple
with your fist -0-

lol they must have some good energy to get back up from
a kick in ther groin ORRR it wasn't effective lol XDDD

[|300|3L355]

why don't you just post everything you know in first post XD

well I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ADAMS APPLE. ty.

[cjsedthat]

LOL OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH SWEEET
SO SAVING YOUR POST & PIC IN MY COMPUTER!
Laaa ~ I shall now experiment these moves on my brothers
and verify to you if they work or not . n__n;
NVM MY PARENTS ARE HOME! >_____>

OH btw in the second tip, do you mean hit with your hand
lyke your palm to the adams apple? lyke that?
cuz at first i thought you meant hit them at the adams apple
with your fist -0-

lol they must have some good energy to get back up from
a kick in ther groin ORRR it wasn't effective lol XDDD

curve your fingers a LITTLE and put strenth and hit em with the thumb side of your hand...

and for the groin..wat if shes a girl o.0

why don't you just post everything you know in first post XD

well I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ADAMS APPLE. ty.

oh..i cant think of all of them xD
that'll take me forever..




GUYS::: to increase your reflexes work, MEDITATE!!! i no it sounds wierd but yea..ohh yea and if u meditate for 30 minutes EVERYDAY you can live longer

[Johnny Y]

I've taken tons of groin shots, and let me tell you from experience - it's really not that bad after a while. lol, I'm NOT a pervert. You're better off going for the eyes or the throat. Oh, and just to contribute a question to this thread and to cjsedthat since he probably has his own expertise and way of doing things...If someone's significantly bigger and stronger than me and gets me in a bear hug with both my arms trapped and lifted up into the air, what's your defense? I'd personally bite their face, but that's gruesome...

[asianami]

target her boobs then instead of her groin LOL XD
it hurts more... NOT THAT I WOULD KNOW OR ANYTHING BY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE !!
................ *cough cough* >__________>
err i can't quite grasp the curve the fingers - thumb thing.
pictures please? o_o;

[Deafz]

What would you do if a person had a gun to your head? Your answer will be derived from experience that you have with self defense.

[predator]

also wouldn't like going for their throat
stop the flow of air for a second or two?
and like your elbow is your strongest point

...i read it from a magazine or something

[undiscovered]

what would u do if a car was comin for you
=o

[itrayya]

what would u do if a car was comin for you
=o

^^ jump out of the way as heck!
i would do that.

um... what you would you do if he grab you from behind,
and his swaying you back and forth?
trying to make you fall down to the ground?

i would panic. so... how do i try to hurt him?
like... if i had a backpack on, it would be heavy and harder for me to get in control.

im a college student, i aint taking no chances.
so.. just give me a scenario and what i should do.
the basic college student mugging.

[Rosencrantz]

target her boobs then instead of her groin LOL XD

don't reveal our secrets!!

A friend accidentally elbowed me in the boob and damn! my head and boob was buzzing for 5 minutes

[heyitzthatfc]

Sorry, but TKD is useless in self defense.

@ asianami

Most effective way? There's really only one way to go about it. If someone attacks you, grab their body for leverage and ram your knee into their groin. It's an instant KO.

You're talking too big. TKD is not "useless" in self defense. Sorry. (I have only done some TKD, maybe for about 5 months, but I also have done A LOT of boxing and muy thai (non traditional))

And a knee to the groin is hardly an instant KO lol.

I've taken tons of groin shots, and let me tell you from experience - it's really not that bad after a while. lol, I'm NOT a pervert. You're better off going for the eyes or the throat. Oh, and just to contribute a question to this thread and to cjsedthat since he probably has his own expertise and way of doing things...If someone's significantly bigger and stronger than me and gets me in a bear hug with both my arms trapped and lifted up into the air, what's your defense? I'd personally bite their face, but that's gruesome...

Groin shots should only be used as an attack that stuns the opponent, if you're going to hit someone in the groin for any reason, don't half-ass it. Follow up with another attack that will finish it, like a headbutt to the face. Then make a run for it to get help. (If you're getting mugged or something)

Now if you were in a bear hug by someone bigger and stronger, chance are I would headbutt them, but most likely they will be doing a bear hug where their face is looking left or right and on your chest, or they're behind you. Chances are you're talking about a bearhug where they're in front of you, since you said you would try and bite them. So I would for sure bite them, it's probably the most simple way to get them to let go of you, especially if you bit off a nice chunk of their scalp. If you're talking about when they're behind you, try and use your heel to hit them in the groin, or the kneecap, but a headbutt could also work if the situation allows you too. If any case their superman or tolerant to pain, you should hope you have a weapon or some object you could use to puncture the side of their body. Basically the idea of it all, when you're in a bear hug by someone who is trying to crush you, is that you have to do anything necessary to get out of what can possibly disable you.

[cjsedthat]

I've taken tons of groin shots, and let me tell you from experience - it's really not that bad after a while. lol, I'm NOT a pervert. You're better off going for the eyes or the throat. Oh, and just to contribute a question to this thread and to cjsedthat since he probably has his own expertise and way of doing things...If someone's significantly bigger and stronger than me and gets me in a bear hug with both my arms trapped and lifted up into the air, what's your defense? I'd personally bite their face, but that's gruesome...

you bend your knees and lift your arms...no matter HOW strong u can do it.. and grab their wrist with your opposite hands so its like an X and flip em..

target her boobs then instead of her groin LOL XD
it hurts more... NOT THAT I WOULD KNOW OR ANYTHING BY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE !!
................ *cough cough* >__________>
err i can't quite grasp the curve the fingers - thumb thing.
pictures please? o_o;

shulda said before KARATE CHOP

What would you do if a person had a gun to your head? Your answer will be derived from experience that you have with self defense.

if your reflexes and quickness is good enuff theres a pretty good chance you can twist their wrist and make the gun drop. or you hook kick it outta their hands
1.if u have a gun and they both have a gun..you point the gun to your opponents gun and shoot the gun..it will hurt like crazy for the opponent too, then shoot em in the leg.
2.if they got u hugged and gun to your head in liek a hostage way..your get your elbows poke em to their ribs and just fall on them..and try to get the gun outta thei hands

also wouldn't like going for their throat
stop the flow of air for a second or two?
and like your elbow is your strongest point

...i read it from a magazine or something

well...thats like the part of the neck where theres a little crater..



ELBOWS!!!: u can break a guys arm REALLY easily by simple grabbing their arms 180 degrees and pull and punch there elbows REAL hard..i swear u'll break it

what would u do if a car was comin for you
=o

-___-
jump?

^^ jump out of the way as heck!
i would do that.

um... what you would you do if he grab you from behind,
and his swaying you back and forth?
trying to make you fall down to the ground?

i would panic. so... how do i try to hurt him?
like... if i had a backpack on, it would be heavy and harder for me to get in control.

im a college student, i aint taking no chances.
so.. just give me a scenario and what i should do.
the basic college student mugging.

well if it grabbing your from the shoulder your take a step back (opposing your enemies foot) get your arm and put it behind their arm thats strangling your and BRING DOWN..
remember to put their hooked arm hooked in your arm pits...they wont be able to move..

2. if grabbing your by your whole body as in arms your bend your knees slightly grab arms in a X form so right hand holds left hand and then flip REAL hard..

[EYJAYJAY]

[edit] sigh, nevermind.

[Johnny Y]

Now if you were in a bear hug by someone bigger and stronger, chance are I would headbutt them, but most likely they will be doing a bear hug where their face is looking left or right and on your chest, or they're behind you. Chances are you're talking about a bearhug where they're in front of you, since you said you would try and bite them. So I would for sure bite them, it's probably the most simple way to get them to let go of you, especially if you bit off a nice chunk of their scalp. If you're talking about when they're behind you, try and use your heel to hit them in the groin, or the kneecap, but a headbutt could also work if the situation allows you too. If any case their superman or tolerant to pain, you should hope you have a weapon or some object you could use to puncture the side of their body. Basically the idea of it all, when you're in a bear hug by someone who is trying to crush you, is that you have to do anything necessary to get out of what can possibly disable you.

Excellent answer! I always prefer a bite to a headbutt in a real self-defense scenario because 1. It's less potential harm to me, 2. Less chance of failure, 3. A constant and immediately threatening attack that WILL get attention put towards it.

you bend your knees and lift your arms...no matter HOW strong u can do it.. and grab their wrist with your opposite hands so its like an X and flip em..

That sounds fine IF I was on the ground. But like I said, this is for a scenario where I'm being dangled in mid-air. If I'm on the ground, I can most likely get someone into a really simple, and really ugly hip toss and get them to the ground by using my head pushed into theirs to create an inch of space, turning my body to the side and directly into them, thus relieving the pressure on my arms and performing a really ugly hip-toss. Otherwise, since they're most likely grabbing higher up on my arms if they want to stay level with me, I'll just wrap whatever I have left of my arms low around their waist, pull them in tight, crumple them in and walk them down.

Once it's on the ground, it's much easier to pop out of these maneuvers because if you're calm and relaxed, you can utilize leverage and sudden explosive movements.

um... what you would you do if he grab you from behind,
and his swaying you back and forth?
trying to make you fall down to the ground?

i would panic. so... how do i try to hurt him?
like... if i had a backpack on, it would be heavy and harder for me to get in control.

im a college student, i aint taking no chances.
so.. just give me a scenario and what i should do.
the basic college student mugging.

For this one, I'm having a hard time picturing it. Is he swaying you back and forth in the air and then trying to bring you down? If he is, the fact that you can't use your legs 100% is the most dangerous thing. You'd have to reach behind with your legs and hook them behind his knees to stop the swaying and to stop him from potentially slamming you. Then you'd be at a stalemate where he'd eventually want to drop you back to your feet so he could finish mugging you.

Ok, so since your feet are on the ground now anyway, this is what I personally would do if someone got me from behind, swayed me back and forth to take me down, and I was wearing a backpack. WOW, what a doozy of a situation!

1. Immediately create a wider base. Move your feet out so that you're in the most stable position you can be in. Also, bend your knees and stay slightly lower too. Do both of these quickly and suddenly. It's really hard to push someone down from higher up, which is why football players are always taught to tackle low, near the hips or even lower, Sumo wrestlers need to be flexible enough to get lower than their opponent, etc.

2. Now for the bear hug part. Advice is always different depending on whether the guy has your arms trapped or not. The bear hug should already be fairly loose since you're wearing a backpack. If he had your arms trapped, by the time you do your sudden wide base change, his grip should be even weaker. Now there are two options from here. You can either bend over and try reach between your legs and grab his (RISKY!) or since you now have a little bit of space, try and turn your body to the side.

A) Bend over, reach between your legs, grab one of his legs, and use all the energy in your legs and back to pull his leg up from under him. I've never seen anyone NOT fall from this once you have their leg. It's risky because if you take too long trying to get his leg, he'll just move it out of the way. Or since you're not bent over, he can just push you over to the side.

The next option involves suddenly changing his momentum and energy direction. (it's easier than it sounds)

Example - If I'm pushing against you, your initial reaction is to push back. If you don't, you'll get pushed back and maybe even fall over. So it's going to be your natural reaction to try to push back with the same or even more force that I'm pushing you with.

So in this instance, you push back suddenly. There'll be a split second where he needs to redirect his energy to push back against you. Then as he's starting to push back into you, you now can guide his momentum by sharply turning your body to the side and bending at the knees, bringing him to the ground. This uses his momentum, your sudden change in direction, and the fact that you're now at a lower level to create a perfect scenario for a simple judo throw.

Keep in mind, neither of these are easy enough to remember while you're getting mugged. Join a class, or try it on your friends (on grass or padded mats!!!). The more you do it, the more second nature it becomes. Plus, understanding the mechanics of the body really helps out. For instance, if you know that the human body almost ALWAYS goes where the head goes, you'll be able to better control people. Or that if you want to stop someone's arms, the best places to grab them are at the wrists or the biceps.

Whenever you're being attacked from behind, there's an extra sense of panic, because clearly you didn't see it coming. Luckily, if the person didn't already knock you over the head, and you at least immediately know to either take a low and wide stance, or if he's got you in mid-air, to hook your legs behind his knees as quickly as you can, you'll have a few seconds to plot your next move. The absolute best thing to do, of course, is to try NEVER to get attacked from behind. Stay alert when walking anywhere, try to always get a sense of what's going on around you, and don't be afraid to turn around if you feel the least bit suspicious. You're MUCH better off for self-defense in face-to-face situations.

P.S. If someone has a bear-hug on you from behind, and your arms ARE NOT trapped, it's actually one of the easiest holds in all of grappling to get out of. I've had 200+ lb fighters not be able to resist this simple, really stupid looking motion. Grab one of his wrists with both of your hands. Hold on tight, think about sending his arm both down and away, and then...SHIMMY! Shimmy back and forth, with both your body and your hands, and eventually, his grip will come loose. Weird huh? Don't forget it. It's useful!

[cjsedthat]

Excellent answer! I always prefer a bite to a headbutt in a real self-defense scenario because 1. It's less potential harm to me, 2. Less chance of failure, 3. A constant and immediately threatening attack that WILL get attention put towards it.
That sounds fine IF I was on the ground. But like I said, this is for a scenario where I'm being dangled in mid-air. If I'm on the ground, I can most likely get someone into a really simple, and really ugly hip toss and get them to the ground by using my head pushed into theirs to create an inch of space, turning my body to the side and directly into them, thus relieving the pressure on my arms and performing a really ugly hip-toss. Otherwise, since they're most likely grabbing higher up on my arms if they want to stay level with me, I'll just wrap whatever I have left of my arms low around their waist, pull them in tight, crumple them in and walk them down.

Once it's on the ground, it's much easier to pop out of these maneuvers because if you're calm and relaxed, you can utilize leverage and sudden explosive movements.
For this one, I'm having a hard time picturing it. Is he swaying you back and forth in the air and then trying to bring you down? If he is, the fact that you can't use your legs 100% is the most dangerous thing. You'd have to reach behind with your legs and hook them behind his knees to stop the swaying and to stop him from potentially slamming you. Then you'd be at a stalemate where he'd eventually want to drop you back to your feet so he could finish mugging you.

Ok, so since your feet are on the ground now anyway, this is what I personally would do if someone got me from behind, swayed me back and forth to take me down, and I was wearing a backpack. WOW, what a doozy of a situation!

1. Immediately create a wider base. Move your feet out so that you're in the most stable position you can be in. Also, bend your knees and stay slightly lower too. Do both of these quickly and suddenly. It's really hard to push someone down from higher up, which is why football players are always taught to tackle low, near the hips or even lower, Sumo wrestlers need to be flexible enough to get lower than their opponent, etc.

2. Now for the bear hug part. Advice is always different depending on whether the guy has your arms trapped or not. The bear hug should already be fairly loose since you're wearing a backpack. If he had your arms trapped, by the time you do your sudden wide base change, his grip should be even weaker. Now there are two options from here. You can either bend over and try reach between your legs and grab his (RISKY!) or since you now have a little bit of space, try and turn your body to the side.

A) Bend over, reach between your legs, grab one of his legs, and use all the energy in your legs and back to pull his leg up from under him. I've never seen anyone NOT fall from this once you have their leg. It's risky because if you take too long trying to get his leg, he'll just move it out of the way. Or since you're not bent over, he can just push you over to the side.

The next option involves suddenly changing his momentum and energy direction. (it's easier than it sounds)

Example - If I'm pushing against you, your initial reaction is to push back. If you don't, you'll get pushed back and maybe even fall over. So it's going to be your natural reaction to try to push back with the same or even more force that I'm pushing you with.

So in this instance, you push back suddenly. There'll be a split second where he needs to redirect his energy to push back against you. Then as he's starting to push back into you, you now can guide his momentum by sharply turning your body to the side and bending at the knees, bringing him to the ground. This uses his momentum, your sudden change in direction, and the fact that you're now at a lower level to create a perfect scenario for a simple judo throw.

Keep in mind, neither of these are easy enough to remember while you're getting mugged. Join a class, or try it on your friends (on grass or padded mats!!!). The more you do it, the more second nature it becomes. Plus, understanding the mechanics of the body really helps out. For instance, if you know that the human body almost ALWAYS goes where the head goes, you'll be able to better control people. Or that if you want to stop someone's arms, the best places to grab them are at the wrists or the biceps.

Whenever you're being attacked from behind, there's an extra sense of panic, because clearly you didn't see it coming. Luckily, if the person didn't already knock you over the head, and you at least immediately know to either take a low and wide stance, or if he's got you in mid-air, to hook your legs behind his knees as quickly as you can, you'll have a few seconds to plot your next move. The absolute best thing to do, of course, is to try NEVER to get attacked from behind. Stay alert when walking anywhere, try to always get a sense of what's going on around you, and don't be afraid to turn around if you feel the least bit suspicious. You're MUCH better off for self-defense in face-to-face situations.

P.S. If someone has a bear-hug on you from behind, and your arms ARE NOT trapped, it's actually one of the easiest holds in all of grappling to get out of. I've had 200+ lb fighters not be able to resist this simple, really stupid looking motion. Grab one of his wrists with both of your hands. Hold on tight, think about sending his arm both down and away, and then...SHIMMY! Shimmy back and forth, with both your body and your hands, and eventually, his grip will come loose. Weird huh? Don't forget it. It's useful!

like i said...u can lift oyur arms up from a bear hug and you'll escape -__-
and the pressure point that the majority says hurts is the joint in your skull...push with your thumb and push/in and to the right and puch more.
IT"LL HURT LIKE CRAZY