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#1 User is offline   kenn 

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 06:21 PM

FILM fiLm FILm fiLM
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LET'S DOWN TO BUSINESS


so basically, i wanted to start a thread for film camera lovers
and this thread can be used for reviewing your slr, ask for help,
talk about lomography and polaroids, ask what is the best film to use,
or anything you are curious about

so let me start off smile.gif
does anyone have the Minolta SRT 101 or 201?

(such a sexy camera!)
i wanna know how well this camera works
and if its a very functional and easy to use slr?

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 06:22 PM

I have a Canon EOS ELAN 7NE. I've only had it for a month or so, so I can't say much but I do love it. Only took about 3 rolls of pictures so far ^^;;;;
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Posted 02 December 2007 - 06:32 PM

^ ohmy.gif! that is a pretty fly camera
i havent really used my automatic slr yet
i am stuck using the old old cameras cause i am still a newbie to photography

i must ask, which do you prefer MINJI.v, film or digital?
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Posted 02 December 2007 - 06:48 PM

That's a pretty difficult question. They both have their ups and downs. I like the photographs I take from film better than digital but DSLRs are so much more functional and practical. Also buying and developing film can be a bit of a hassle as well as costly. Plus my DSLR body is not as good as my film body (since DSLRs are more expensive) but that will change soon... ^^

That must be the least straightforward answer to a question since... ever O_O
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Posted 02 December 2007 - 07:50 PM

To the original poster: The old SLRs are pretty easy to use, once you know what the aperture and shutter speed controls are. You will also know how to use the camera's built in light meter too... to know if your settings are set for optimal exposure.

I personally would recommend this camera, for its small size and weight and its incredible metering system in automatic mode (when you want to be lazy) and its simple and ergonomic design (making a shutter speed ring at the base of the lens mount so focus, aperture and shutter speed can be adjusted by one hand quickly).

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This is how I like to think of films:

Film is an art of non-linearity whereas digita is a art of linearity.

Film is often choosen based on their speeds (which controls the grain size on the film), contrast (subfactor: latitude), and color saturation (for color film). Film is often choosen this way because unlike digital capture, the film in non linear. Each film has strengths and weaknesses when compared to other films. For instance, for outdoor festival events I would choose Kodak Ultra Color series film (such as Kodak UC400), because it has rich color saturation and very good contrast. Now if I was shooting outdoor portraits for like wedding shoot , I would use Fujifilm NPH series, because of its lower color saturation and softer contrast (low contrast).

In a digital world, the image is captured via a CCD sensor, and is thus stored for post processing. A CCD sensor captures the image in a linear way, unlike film where we have to pick it based on its characteristics. A CCD doesn't come preset with its own color saturation, contrast, or speed, although you can adjust the camera to modify the capture, it generally captures all the images in the same fashion, with the same color saturation, contrast and speed, etc. (if you look at it in a basic way). To achieve certain effects on the image it is done post processing (Photoshop).

Although film is fading away in this digital world, it does have some applications where digital isn't the norm (or not yet).
-Astronomy photography or just plain taking pictures of the starry sky. Digital cameras can only hold a shutter open as long as the battery lasts... which will be drained as the camera's CPU is running awol trying to figure out when to stop the exposure. Old film SLRs when used in a manual mode can be locked (using a release cable) to do hours if needed of keeping that shutter open to capture that night sky.

-Criminal Justice, film is generally still the norm, it is incredibly hard to fake or 'photoshop' a image to falsify evidence or data. Although Canon does offer some hardware inconjunction with their DSLRs to put proper locks and signatures on images to prevent modification.

-Disposable cameras. Well there are disposable digital cameras, but they don't yet match up to the image quality of a film disposable camera. Nor does the price tag of a film disposable camera. As long as there are disposable digital cameras people will find ways to hack and reuse them as regular cameras, which makes it a loss of profit to the manufacturer and thus increasing the price of the camera.

-Teaching Basic Photography. Film is still the best way to teach basic photography skills and light capture theory. Make sure you know film before you go to digital. I personally learned by using a older film SLR how to select aperture and shutter speed (which is sometimes called a technique), based on the shooting enviroment's light level, WITHOUT using a light meter and getting (about 90% of the time on 400 speed film) a proper or near optimal exposure. I'm a human light meter tongue.gif . I learned these techniques and what to use in varying lighting situations, due to repetition and looking and remembering the aperture and shutter speed used. Its a useful skill to at least get you into a ballpark 'technique' for proper exposure... like when your light meter fails. Also with film is that you waste film if you don't get the shot right the first time... which also taught me to frame quickly, focus quickly and quickly anticipate the shot to get it right the first time around. No i'm not perfect but at least i minimize my repeats...


I currently do own a digital camera (not quite a SLR, but more of a prosumer camera) and a several film SLRs. I don't use my film SLRs as much but I do prefer to use it in certain situations and when I want to use it for nostalgic reasons.
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Posted 03 December 2007 - 05:20 PM

AHH! wait do you have that SLR?
cause my friend was trying to sell me that camera
for two hundred, which i thought was a waste
cause right now i have the Nikon Nikkormat FTN, Pentax K1000, and Mamiya 1000DTL but the the pentax and mamiya is still coming in the mail
and each of those cameras were 75 bucks and lower


which slrs do you have kelvin6? ohmy.gif
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Posted 03 December 2007 - 06:09 PM

I've got a minolta XD11 =/ sooo bulletproof.

I almost have to say I prefer film (B&W) over digital for portrait photography.
I am the minority here.





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Posted 03 December 2007 - 06:30 PM

^ohmy.gif!!!!! i always wanted that minolta!
i went to this pawn shop and i saw that baby
and i was like
omg omg i want i want!
but when i asked for the guy to bring it down
the leather was falling apart and it was beat up
and i was like
argh damnit i guess i have to pass this up
i heard that XD-11 was one of the best cameras minolta ever made ohmy.gif!

i just ended up getting this honeybun


but i am still determined to get a minolta! ya ya yaaaa
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Posted 03 December 2007 - 07:09 PM

I want to get a SLR soon, maybe for Christmas? :]
Eh, the only thing I'm scared of is the amount of money I'll waste on film and photo paper-_-
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Posted 03 December 2007 - 09:08 PM

QUOTE (kenn @ Dec 3 2007, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ ohmy.gif !!!!! i always wanted that minolta!
i went to this pawn shop and i saw that baby
and i was like
omg omg i want i want!
but when i asked for the guy to bring it down
the leather was falling apart and it was beat up
and i was like
argh damnit i guess i have to pass this up
i heard that XD-11 was one of the best cameras minolta ever made ohmy.gif !

i just ended up getting this honeybun


but i am still determined to get a minolta! ya ya yaaaa

LoL ya the XD-11 was my dads, but he's long past his day of even taking snapshots with it, so it just took it, it's really good for being almost 30 years old now. (And I dropped it on the sidewalk while trying to fidget with something)
One of my friends has a nikkormat and I must say, that thing is a friggin brick. So awesome when the shutter releases you don't even feel any recoil or torquing it's so nice. And that thing is like what, 40 years old now?
I am the minority here.





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Posted 03 December 2007 - 09:31 PM

Here is my family of cameras: (pardon the white balance)



This is my first SLR, apparently my dad thought he destroyed it 22 years ago... when he thought it failed. Apparently my mom kept it and stored it (before I was born) and I found it cleaning out stuff with my mom... popped in new batteries and the camera returned to operation. Looks like NEW and works flawlessly. Amazing 31 year old camera, even does TTL Flash metering and control and OTF (off-the-film) dynamic light metering, resulting in a very powerful auto mode of its time. Meet the Olympus OM-2:








This is my second SLR, I picked it up on ebay a few years ago for $20, this camera is just as good as the OM-2, well almost and is fully compatible with nearly all OM-series lens and accessories. Great deal if you can get one on ebay, much cheaper and more powerful than many other well known similiar cameras out there. This is my regular use film camera (if and when I use it). Meet the Olympus OM-PC (OM-40):


This is my third SLR. I cannot bear to get anything else besides another Olympus SLR, so I had to pick it up when the price was right. Unfortuantely the light meter failed and have to rely on instincts and guesses for manual mode usage, aperture priority automatic and program modes work great. Meet the Olympus OM-2SP:



I also had a fourth Olympus SLR, the Olympus OM-G (omg! its a OM-G tongue.gif ) but that is now with my GF for her to use.


This is my prized Olympus OM-2 with outfitted with some gear (a motor drive, and a giant blind Vivitar 5200 flash (does TTL flash control)):



and before I forget, meet the ENTIRE family:


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Posted 03 December 2007 - 10:01 PM

Tepper:
yeah the nikkormat sure is heavy... when people want to see it, i have to tell them to use two hands just to make sure they wont drop it
is the minolta XD-11 your only slr, Tepper? or do you have more? ohmy.gif if so, do share smile.gif

kelvin6:
............ wacko.gif
omg...... your cameras are SEXY omgahhh
31 years old?!?! it doesnt even look that old
how are those vivitar flashses? do they work fine?
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Posted 03 December 2007 - 10:20 PM

The Vivitar flashes are great, even better than the Olympus ones. The Vivitar 5200 and 5600 are TTL Flash compatible, meaning with the right module, they can be suited for different cameras. They also can perform auto (in flash 'TTL') when you have a camera that cannot support TTL. The vivitar flash i purchased on ebay for cheap and got the corresponding module (PM/O) to go with it. If you want to stick to a tried and true manual power flash, the Vivitar 283 or 285HV are the best ones out there. Vivitar used to be a very reputable flash maker.

The OM2 has been recently devalued for some reason (hint: digital) and can be bought for very cheap (http://cgi.ebay.com/...WQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
ewItem), this camera is a manual and auto-exposure camera, featuring some very innovative technologies of its time (its rival was the Canon AE-1), featuring TTL exposure, the camera has a light sensor (two actually) mounted on the floor of the mirror box and can read the reflecting light off the film (OTF), thus if the camera had determined a shutter speed (with the corresponding aperture) prior to the exposure, it has the ability to dynamically change it (Shutter speed) while the image is still being exposed leading to a good exposure almost all the time. The camera can also be operated with it in the OFF position (with a 1/60 shutter speed and whatever the aperture is set to) to be able to capture sudden moments, where flipping the switch would've wasted precious time.

Check out the Olympus OM series, its worth looking at. I've used numerious film SLRs (older ones) and I personally love the olympus for its small size and weight and its innovative technologies (I love the air dampened mirror and shutter system, so soft and quiet exposure).

http://olympus.dementia.org/eSIF/om-sif.htm








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Posted 03 December 2007 - 10:48 PM

^so wat camera did u use to take the picture of those cameras? lol
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Posted 03 December 2007 - 10:50 PM

The camera used to take the SLR pics, was a Nikon Coolpix 5400, using the Vivitar 5200 flash unit (as seen with the Lumiquest Ultrabounce flash diffuser) on a TTL extender cable (and i'm holding the flash... for some shots). Not all the pics have flash, because some have the flash unit in the picture...lol and the built in camera one sucks...

Some of the OM2 pictures were done with a older Nikon Coolpix 2100, shot at an earlier date.

Not to offend certain camera users out there, but i don't see myself as a Canon user at all. I even had a tough time even thinking of getting Nikon digital cameras, I just loved being a Olympus fan... being different from the crowd.
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Posted 03 December 2007 - 11:37 PM

Ya, the minolta is the only film slr I have and the only lens I have for it is the kit 50mm, but that's gotten me some fine pictures for my photography schoolwork junk. I do have a digital slr (nikon d70s) and a couple ancient point and shoot digitals. I lost my 10 year old film point and shoot a long time ago..
I am the minority here.





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Posted 03 December 2007 - 11:54 PM

yay i'm glad someone started a thread for this. lol. i just recently bought a canon rebel g. got it for $105 off ebay. so far i've only been randomly using it, but so far i really like it.



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Posted 04 December 2007 - 03:01 PM



I used a Canon AE-1 Program. Actually I still use it, when I have to take pictures of events and such. It's pretty good. The quality of the photos turned out better than the digital camera my aunt and uncle used for their wedding.
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Posted 04 December 2007 - 05:17 PM

^ I also have a Canon AE-1 Program. It was my dad's since 1981.
It's built like a tank and takes good quality shots.
It's fun to play with when I'm not with my Nikon D80.

Great camera.

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 05:46 PM

oh my kelvin6! that is so much! O_O
sigh... i give up on ebay auctioning...
i tried SIX TIMES before i actually won a SLR
goodness
i would so buy that olympus but i am broke!
i saw my friend's olympus OM-2
OH MY! WHATTA BEAUT
i seriously wanted to jack it from him

sigh since everyone is showing off their cameras
i might as well also smile.gif
EH HEH HEH

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