[AutumnSunset]

I have an important question regards about my car systems
Does the car alarm and and the remote starter wires connect to each others in anyway or is it complete difference?
For example if were to cut the car alarm, does it will affect the car remote?
please help me clear this up

[herovueboi]

Is it a factory alarm or aftermarket?

[AutumnSunset]

think it aftermarket

to make matter short
i asked this mechanic to cut off my security alarm, but he cut out the whole thing system,which included the remote starter. To his arguer his said they all connect...

[herovueboi]

Are both the alarm and remote start aftermarket? I know that some devices are wired differently. For example an ebay model might have fewer wires and still work. So it really depends.

[v8subie]

depends on what kind of aftermarket alarm/remote start you have. some companies have the wiring configuration as one.

[AutumnSunset]

i dont really know much about my car , but am sure the remote starter is aftermarket call Viper something,

[herovueboi]

Well what is the problem, you want the remote start back in the car?

[AutumnSunset]

Inno but something is fishy about this, the mechanic should explain throughly for me , before he does this.
i felt like i being ripped off..

Well what is the problem, you want the remote start back in the car?

yes , and i want him to pay for my damage (it a hard winter season)

[kelvin6]

Well Viper alarm systems (owned by DEI) usually intergrate the remote starter system together with the Alarm, thus making the Viper unit a all-in-one solution.

You can disable the remote start feature, usually these systems must include a remote starter system bypass switch which is usually hidden from normal view (so only the person who owns the car would know where), because of dangerous possibilities if a child were to get a hold of the keys and start the car while its in a garage, and let Carbon monoxide build up and harm or kill the occupants of the house.

The other way is to permanantly disable the remote starter system is to remove the starter relay that was installed with the alarm and reconnect the starter wires together.

But then again, you need to tell us (for us to help you) why you need this information and what car is this information for... because if you have like a older Honda civic, then solving the problem is easy, but if you have something like a brand new BMW with all these sophisticated electronic controls, then of course my answer to you would be very different.

Reading ur post above (before I posted this), generally your probably don't want your mechanic to install this remote start system. You're better off taking your car to a car audio/performance place, where they have installation knowledge and experience in this field.

Judging by your descriptions of what you're trying to say, yes you are probably being ripped off... since you don't seem to know much about cars (or particularly alarm/remote start systems)...
I'm going to ask again, what exactly is the problem? Is your car not starting anymore? What did this mechanic do for you to demand him to pay for your damages? Thats what i'm not clear about.

[herovueboi]

So the story is that you took your car to him to remove the car alarm, but neglected to tell you that to remove the car alarm; you must remove the remote start as well? And he went ahead and removed it without telling you that it was connected? Now you want him to put the remote start back in? Am I getting this correctly?

[AutumnSunset]

I need this information, so i could ask my mechanic to pay for my damage. i asked him to installs my old one where i pay him $100 more, but he said he will install me a new one and take me $300, and ask him what wrong with my old one, the guy got silence ,it seem like he hasn't much clue of the area.

To herovueboi yes

My car is an old car

Nissan Altima 1997

[kelvin6]

^^^ (the second post above) Now if that was the case, and the Viper unit is those all in one units, then really by removing the alarm system, you basically removed the remote start as well...

Viper Security Systems is the high end car security systems offered by DEI electronics. Typically for the past several years almost all of their models had included the remote start as a all in one package. All of which is contained in one unit box. So therefore you cannot remove the security system without removing the remote start feature. Although you can in theory just use the remote start function of the Viper unit and not the alarm, but that involves heavy modification and simply not worth doing to most people (nor does it justify the time and/or cost of doing so).

Unfortuantly if this is the case your mechanic cannot be held liable for the removal of the remote start system... but assuming that he has some experience in this field he should've told you (after some level of inspection) that by the removal of the security system, that the remote start would be removed as well). Did you specify just the removal of the security system and ALSO say that you want to keep the remote start system? It matters how and what you say to the mechanic, otherwise they will remove the whole system without thinking twice (like if they didn't know you wanted to keep the remote start). You should also specify to keep the removed parts, so that if any problems arise you have the old parts to put back or use as proof of some error they made.

Ok now that I read the rest, I see what exactly is going on.

Unfortuantly you cannot hold the mechanic liable for what happened. I hate to break it to you like this, but its the truth. If he was unwilling to install the old unit for whatever reason, you had the right to say no and take your car away without paying them. If you gave consent to install the $300 one and now your angry about it, there isn't anything you can do since you did consent. Now if they installed it and told you that they couldn't install the old one and put in a new one without notifying you in advance and charged you the $300 then you have case.

Maybe i'm ignorant, but I still don't fully understand the situation...

[herovueboi]

Kelvin6, I think your onto something...he seems much more knowledgeable than me. I'll hop back in when there something else I could help you with. Over and out!

[AutumnSunset]

you see am just noob about car , but i specify only want to remove my security alarm. Him being mechanic he should explain the consequences of this to me, but no not only that i even offer him a $100 just to put it back in for me, he refuse he ask for $200, the nerve to ask for more, when am on the right to sue him.

[AutumnSunset]

^^^ (the second post above) Now if that was the case, and the Viper unit is those all in one units, then really by removing the alarm system, you basically removed the remote start as well...

Viper Security Systems is the high end car security systems offered by DEI electronics. Typically for the past several years almost all of their models had included the remote start as a all in one package. All of which is contained in one unit box. So therefore you cannot remove the security system without removing the remote start feature. Although you can in theory just use the remote start function of the Viper unit and not the alarm, but that involves heavy modification and simply not worth doing to most people (nor does it justify the time and/or cost of doing so).

Unfortuantly if this is the case your mechanic cannot be held liable for the removal of the remote start system... but assuming that he has some experience in this field he should've told you (after some level of inspection) that by the removal of the security system, that the remote start would be removed as well). Did you specify just the removal of the security system and ALSO say that you want to keep the remote start system? It matters how and what you say to the mechanic, otherwise they will remove the whole system without thinking twice (like if they didn't know you wanted to keep the remote start). You should also specify to keep the removed parts, so that if any problems arise you have the old parts to put back or use as proof of some error they made.

Ok now that I read the rest, I see what exactly is going on.

Unfortuantly you cannot hold the mechanic liable for what happened. I hate to break it to you like this, but its the truth. If he was unwilling to install the old unit for whatever reason, you had the right to say no and take your car away without paying them. If you gave consent to install the $300 one and now your angry about it, there isn't anything you can do since you did consent. Now if they installed it and told you that they couldn't install the old one and put in a new one without notifying you in advance and charged you the $300 then you have case.

Maybe i'm ignorant, but I still don't fully understand the situation...

Same here am too fast pace to reply

right now i didnt do nothing to my car yet
i just want him to put my old remote back without the charges

[herovueboi]

you see am just noob about car , but i specify only want to remove my security alarm. Him being mechanic he should explain the consequences of this to me, but no not only that i even offer him a $100 just to put it back in for me, he refuse he ask for $200, the nerve to ask for more, when am on the right to sue him.

The mechanic probably was not aware that removing the alarm would remove the remote start. That is the problem, I would hope that he would offer to reinstall the alarm and remote start though. If not, pay the man and take the car to another person and get either another remote start kit for like $50 from Best Buy or reinstall your Viper alarm.

Oh and I believe you will have to pay for his services. He already did what you requested (I think) and now you would have to pay extra to have him reinstall it. A shop around here that I go to is pretty cool; I use his shop to install whatever and he charges me like $20-100 for time and equipment. He once even installed a full race header and exhaust only to find out that it didn't fit and didn't charge me anything to put it back on. So what I'm saying is that it really depends on the mechanic.

[AutumnSunset]

Oh and I believe you will have to pay for his services. He already did what you requested (I think) and now you would have to pay extra to have him reinstall it. A shop around here that I go to is pretty cool; I use his shop to install whatever and he charges me like $20-100 for time and equipment. He once even installed a full race header and exhaust only to find out that it didn't fit and didn't charge me anything to put it back on. So what I'm saying is that it really depends on the mechanic.

I did offer him extra $$ to have it reinstall but the guy double my prices, and i don't want make this situation into an awkward matter, because his shop is in front of my work area literally.

Thanks everyone for the insight i hope he change his mind when i have a talk with him tomorrow.

[herovueboi]

How much did he charge you in the first place for the uninstalling of the kit?

[kelvin6]

Unfortuantly (again) its up to the mechanic's descretion to put back that remote start with or without charge to you. When you asked him to remove the security system, the only way was to remove the whole unit, including the remote start. He probably assumed that you wanted that removed, unless you specified otherwise, which then he can notify you that it was a all in one unit.

The problem here is that you probably didn't know that the remote start was seperate from the security system, and you made the assumption that it was. This is called ignorance, and no offense, but what you should've said to the mechanic is that you wanted the security system removed, but you wanted to keep the remote start. It is commonly assumed that when you say that and that the unit is a all in one, the mechanics will remove the entire system (this is how it is commonly practiced otherwise you'd be getting phone calls from them for every little thing they run into and that gets annoying and stressful). Its not your fault that you didn't know that it was a all in one unit, you cannot hold the mechanic liable by default.

I know the mechanic knew that it was a all in one unit and that you didn't specify that you wanted to keep the remote start function. I know this because if he removed the Viper unit, he would have to reconnect the starter wires and bridge them back together because of the removal, otherwise your car won't start. If he knew you wanted to keep the remote start (because you would've said so), he would've knew that he cannot remove it (nor could he complete the unit removal), because the engine starter wires are connected directly to the Viper unit. So because of this, I would have to side with the mechanic because this mistake wasn't his fault.

So you're only choice is to just go to another car audio/visual/performance shop and get another car remote starter installed.

Unfortuantly things can get costly about cars if you don't know much about them. Its basically inviting yourself to get ripped off. I started out not knowing anything about cars, all the stuff I learned was BS and completely noob like. I hate to say it but I lost lots of $$$ because of this. Slowly I started to learn more about cars and doing simple jobs to doing complex electrical and engine work on my own. Now I rarely ever see a mechanic and my car stays out of the shop most of the time.

I'm sorry for being so cold and harsh, but from what is written here, this is what I see and can logically conclude.

[MC Muffin]

I was too lazy to read the whole thing, but couldn't you have just cut the power that goes directly to the siren if you didn't want just the annoying alarm sound?