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#151 User is offline   atalamarche10 

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Posted 08 November 2008 - 05:00 PM

QUOTE (joychin89 @ Nov 5 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got accepted into a Dental School! I just found out today XD. I will be starting my new semester next february XD

hi if you dont mind..i was wondering if you could post your stats,
or if not, the range of your gpa and dat score....

also..i was wondering if you did research..etc

sorry if i asked too much, thanks! sweatingbullets.gif
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Posted 11 November 2008 - 02:44 AM

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Hmm..gpa and dat score? What's that? ^^". I actually took A levels before this before joining the dental school at my place
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Posted 11 November 2008 - 10:57 AM

Hi future Dentists smile.gif

I have a question, I'm in college right, a Freshman and I'm a biology major but I'm not doing so well and I found out I need to take calculus for the major, I am horrific in math and so I'm looking to change my major.

Can you guys just tell me the majors you guys took/are taking? I really don't want to screw up even more sad.gif

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 06:43 PM

DCal,

Dental schools want to see that you are good in both. My major was more chemistry heavy. Don't give them an excuse not to consider your application (i.e <3.0 in bio and 4.0 in chem puts up a red flag). My chemistry gpa was much higher than my biology gpa, but try to get at least a 3.0 in BCP (and in each).

My year in dental school... We have been on dental procedures/path/physiology for quite a bit already. Much more dental heavy now (initially medical oriented). Our next qtr/sem is the worst with 15 courses.
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gratz joy. I didn't know dschools started in Feb, but I assume it's outside of the US.
From what I remember, AADSAS still required schools not to inform applicants before Dec. 1.

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To those who are afraid of math:
Find the easiest professors in schools around your area and will let you use a TI-89 for calc... and you know where to go from there...
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Posted 13 November 2008 - 02:52 PM

If you are looking into the east coast I recommend VCU.
Their dental/pre-med program is easy to get into, and if you are in the National Honor Society in your hs, you could get a Presidential scholarship to cover your tuition for 4 years. happy.gif
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Posted 15 November 2008 - 04:47 PM

QUOTE (kinetic @ Nov 11 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DCal,

Dental schools want to see that you are good in both. My major was more chemistry heavy. Don't give them an excuse not to consider your application (i.e <3.0 in bio and 4.0 in chem puts up a red flag). My chemistry gpa was much higher than my biology gpa, but try to get at least a 3.0 in BCP (and in each).

My year in dental school... We have been on dental procedures/path/physiology for quite a bit already. Much more dental heavy now (initially medical oriented). Our next qtr/sem is the worst with 15 courses.
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gratz joy. I didn't know dschools started in Feb, but I assume it's outside of the US.
From what I remember, AADSAS still required schools not to inform applicants before Dec. 1.

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To those who are afraid of math:
Find the easiest professors in schools around your area and will let you use a TI-89 for calc... and you know where to go from there...


Thanks for your advice again.
But if I'm stronger in Chemistry, do you think it's wise to switch my major from bio to chem? If I do well in Organic I next semester, then I may consider doing so.

Also, do you know much about post-bachelor education? I know that if some students don't make it their first application, then they'll tend to go post-bac and get a gpa out of that and get in. I know you have to have spectacular grades here to get in if you didn't do as well in undergrad. Is it much like Grad school and is it recommended?

Again, thank you so much. You've helped me the most out of anyone. biggrin.gif
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Posted 15 November 2008 - 09:08 PM

QUOTE (kinetic @ Nov 12 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
gratz joy. I didn't know dschools started in Feb, but I assume it's outside of the US.
From what I remember, AADSAS still required schools not to inform applicants before Dec. 1.


Thanks.Yeah,i'm not from the US...maybe that's why i didnt really know what gpa i got O_o
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Posted 16 November 2008 - 05:39 AM

QUOTE (DCalypso @ Nov 15 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for your advice again.
But if I'm stronger in Chemistry, do you think it's wise to switch my major from bio to chem? If I do well in Organic I next semester, then I may consider doing so.

Also, do you know much about post-bachelor education? I know that if some students don't make it their first application, then they'll tend to go post-bac and get a gpa out of that and get in. I know you have to have spectacular grades here to get in if you didn't do as well in undergrad. Is it much like Grad school and is it recommended?

Again, thank you so much. You've helped me the most out of anyone. biggrin.gif


This is a relatively complex decision.

First, you must determine if it will be noted on your transcript that you changed majors. If it is, be prepared to explain in an interview why you changed majors. Depending on your university, a biochemistry degree could be a good compromise (if they are more flexible in classes). The key is that you want flexibility in classes for the following objectives: Select a major that contain classes that will boost your gpa, allow you to graduate with a credible degree, and coincide with the prerequisites of dental schools (the latter option is not as necessary, it will just make your life easier).

I must ask which chemistry courses have you taken. If it is just general chemistry, I would strongly reconsider your potential decision. I do mention this since analytical, instrumental, physical, quantum chem is very different and COULD drag your gpa down. Look at the course requirements for each major and as I have explained above, find one that will allow you as much flexibility as possible to make your life easier in attaining a higher gpa. Do your research on easy professors, get old tests from friends, and so on... I have a pretty good gpa by avoiding classes that are known are very difficult.

A post-bacc should be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately, it is a last resort, and I see it as a waste of money, time, and effort. This is just another hurdle that you need to pass, and if you mess this one up, you are in a deeper hole. Grad school is completely different than post bacc. Post bacc is just more undergrad courses. Graduate school requires thesis/dissertations, research, etc... Lots of potential for abuse by bad PI's.

Graduate school also seems to be a very large waste of time (with respect, if a DDS/DMD is the ultimate goal -- for grad students, I don't mean anything bad, just saying don't go into in unless you plan to actually use it). Most PI's will try and use you for free labor, keep you there as long as possible, and you will be wasting years of your life on this. If you do not get into dental school, you should identify the weaknesses in your application before deciding where to go from there.

Keys for countering a low gpa and avoiding getting stuck in the abyss known as grad school/post bac:
1. Show an upward trend in grades, take classes that are easy but sound sophisticated... i.e statistical analysis of bimodal distributions?, haha, made that up off the top of my head.
2. What they can't see can't hurt you. Don't get a W, but learn to withdraw a class before a W pops up. a W is like an F. Shows inconsistency. (This is also known as damage control)
- Learn how your school works, and learn its policies. You will be surprised what you can get away with if you understand simple things such as: what is contained in your transcript, judicial affairs, registration policies, and so on..
3. High DAT score. Even though I didn't do as well on my bio gpa, I still negated it with a 27 in bio. People say get at least 20+, I say aim at least for 22. PAT, in the very least, 18. An 18 on PAT can be explained in the interview (I'll tell you when you get there)
4. Since low gpa filtering is automatic, get at least a 3.0... if you don't, the admissions office may not even open/review your file.
5. Solid application. Personal statement is the hook to lure them in. Creativity in describing your activities, extracurriculars, and research. There's one way of describing things (a dull, boring, straightforward way) or a lively way of explaining things. I'm not saying to outright lie, but what can't be proven cannot be disproven.

Central theme? Think before you do, calculate all your moves, do everything that has to be done. If you restrict your mindset to a more conservative constraint, you will only be cheating yourself out of a dental school acceptance. Pragmatic thinking is the only way to go.

As I do not know the variables of your situation (gpa, DAT, year, etc...), I cannot provide more specific advice.

-- Hope that helps
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 09:22 AM

QUOTE (kinetic @ Nov 16 2008, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is a relatively complex decision.

First, you must determine if it will be noted on your transcript that you changed majors. If it is, be prepared to explain in an interview why you changed majors. Depending on your university, a biochemistry degree could be a good compromise (if they are more flexible in classes). The key is that you want flexibility in classes for the following objectives: Select a major that contain classes that will boost your gpa, allow you to graduate with a credible degree, and coincide with the prerequisites of dental schools (the latter option is not as necessary, it will just make your life easier).

I must ask which chemistry courses have you taken. If it is just general chemistry, I would strongly reconsider your potential decision. I do mention this since analytical, instrumental, physical, quantum chem is very different and COULD drag your gpa down. Look at the course requirements for each major and as I have explained above, find one that will allow you as much flexibility as possible to make your life easier in attaining a higher gpa. Do your research on easy professors, get old tests from friends, and so on... I have a pretty good gpa by avoiding classes that are known are very difficult.

A post-bacc should be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately, it is a last resort, and I see it as a waste of money, time, and effort. This is just another hurdle that you need to pass, and if you mess this one up, you are in a deeper hole. Grad school is completely different than post bacc. Post bacc is just more undergrad courses. Graduate school requires thesis/dissertations, research, etc... Lots of potential for abuse by bad PI's.

Graduate school also seems to be a very large waste of time (with respect, if a DDS/DMD is the ultimate goal -- for grad students, I don't mean anything bad, just saying don't go into in unless you plan to actually use it). Most PI's will try and use you for free labor, keep you there as long as possible, and you will be wasting years of your life on this. If you do not get into dental school, you should identify the weaknesses in your application before deciding where to go from there.

Keys for countering a low gpa and avoiding getting stuck in the abyss known as grad school/post bac:
1. Show an upward trend in grades, take classes that are easy but sound sophisticated... i.e statistical analysis of bimodal distributions?, haha, made that up off the top of my head.
2. What they can't see can't hurt you. Don't get a W, but learn to withdraw a class before a W pops up. a W is like an F. Shows inconsistency. (This is also known as damage control)
- Learn how your school works, and learn its policies. You will be surprised what you can get away with if you understand simple things such as: what is contained in your transcript, judicial affairs, registration policies, and so on..
3. High DAT score. Even though I didn't do as well on my bio gpa, I still negated it with a 27 in bio. People say get at least 20+, I say aim at least for 22. PAT, in the very least, 18. An 18 on PAT can be explained in the interview (I'll tell you when you get there)
4. Since low gpa filtering is automatic, get at least a 3.0... if you don't, the admissions office may not even open/review your file.
5. Solid application. Personal statement is the hook to lure them in. Creativity in describing your activities, extracurriculars, and research. There's one way of describing things (a dull, boring, straightforward way) or a lively way of explaining things. I'm not saying to outright lie, but what can't be proven cannot be disproven.

Central theme? Think before you do, calculate all your moves, do everything that has to be done. If you restrict your mindset to a more conservative constraint, you will only be cheating yourself out of a dental school acceptance. Pragmatic thinking is the only way to go.

As I do not know the variables of your situation (gpa, DAT, year, etc...), I cannot provide more specific advice.

-- Hope that helps


Yes, I'll definitely consider not changing majors if I get bombed in the upper level Chem classes (such as orgo I & II). Because I've taken only General Chem classes, I obviously don't know the upper level material and will lay off my decision until orgo.
But lately, I've been studying a little more before my bio tests and have gotten much better grades, so I might stick with bio since I've heard that there's much redundancy of material in all of the bio courses.

I've heard that there are post-bac opportunities that offer only 1 year. A dean of a school who teaches these courses said that if you manage to get at least a 3.0 gpa during this year, then you'll be highly likely to get into Dental School (I guess this was proven given that the over 90% of the program's students got into dental school after), notably because the courses generally reflect a first year's dental schedule. If it's only 1 year, then I think that it's not too bad, but I agree with you, it should be avoided as it is $ down the drain and a year wasted. But Grad school is a BIG no no for me sweatingbullets.gif

Do you know if dental schools generally know specific science courses at schools? (Ex. Underwater basket-weaving classes). Because I've heard of only 1 physics class (PHYS 140) that is incredibly easy and am considering taking it. If they do know about this "easy" class, will they see it negatively? I hope not...

After reading through Predents.com (I'm sure you've heard of this already), I've noticed that many students with low gpas can get in with high DAT (and experience). I obviously need to score incredibly high on this test. Is the material (especially bio) on the DAT easier and more general than course material? Obviously, courses are different for every school, but I'd like your input anyway.
I've heard that there's lots of tricks that you can take to get a question correct and Kaplan does a good job teaching those things.

Also, do you think that racking up dental shadow/volunteer hours helps? Students with low gpas but 1000+ hours get in... I was wondering about this. I've also heard that it's just the "experience" that matters and what you learned from it. Obviously, the latter is very important, but does racking up hours help significantly? You suggest I intern and get experience throughout my school year?

Again, thanks so much. blush.gif
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 07:59 PM

To answer your questions:

1. Dental schools have virtually no knowledge of specific science courses in the undergraduate level. This is why I advised you to take as many easy underwaterbasketweaving sciences as possible.

2. As with many self-reported sites, I don't believe them too often. A low GPA and a high DAT will definitely increase your chance. A low GPA and a low DAT reinforces the fact that you may not be able to handle a dental school curriculum and excludes you almost completely. When I took the DAT, all the science categories were pretty easy compared to our coursework. Test taking strategies will help you a lot, but I have no familiarity with Kaplan instructors/classes. Personally, I just used the kaplan blue book, a little bit of barron's (full of errors), and topscore pro. Topscore is used to assess, books used to reinforce what I don't know.

3. Dental shadowing can only yield you so much. Volunteering will yield you much more. Try volunteering as a dental assistant at some non-profit or homeless shelter. This will make you look compassionate, experienced, and tell them you know what you're going into. This is more about the quality of your experience than quantity. Also, dentists who volunteer are typically more compassionate, nice, and willing to write you a very good letter of recommendation. As you said above, it's about the experience, but that's what you want them to think. Your experience is not as important as how well you can convey and convince the adcoms of it's uniqueness, display of character, and depth of exposure.
Remember, it's not what you do, but how well you can convince others of how great it is.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:06 PM

when is a good time to apply for dental schools? I heard you have to apply a year before you want to be enrolled
so does that mean if I want to be enroll in 2010 Fall (Class of 2010) I need to apply now? (currently a junior)
thanks!
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Posted 05 December 2008 - 08:38 PM

if you want to apply for fall 2010, you can start submitting application end of may 2009.
i'm gonna be doing that.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 08:55 PM

ok, i know it was stated earlier that a W is like an F which is a big red flag...i actually got an F in calculus my first semester but got a B the second time around. is that automatically going to cause them to dismiss my application because of that first grade? i know AADSAS computes all of your grades, so that might lower my gpa a tiny bit, but just wondering on their first impression and all...thanks

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Posted 06 December 2008 - 03:03 AM

---- edit: never mind----
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Posted 06 December 2008 - 04:28 PM

QUOTE (ickboo @ Dec 5 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ok, i know it was stated earlier that a W is like an F which is a big red flag...i actually got an F in calculus my first semester but got a B the second time around. is that automatically going to cause them to dismiss my application because of that first grade? i know AADSAS computes all of your grades, so that might lower my gpa a tiny bit, but just wondering on their first impression and all...thanks


AADSAS will do grade averaging: F + B (0 + 3) / 2 = 1.5 for combined units of both calc courses.

Most important is to show improvement over time.
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Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:44 AM

So it's my first year.. and I got a C+ in chem already. That hurts my chances A LOT right? =[
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 07:29 PM

no. you still have a ton of other classes to take!

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 11:41 PM

Don't worry about it; you have many more chances to boost your chem gpa.
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Posted 25 December 2008 - 07:21 PM

I only have 2 anatomy classes and one organic chemistry class left to take in order to fulfill all the classes required to enroll into dental school. I decided to take a break this semester and enrolled in a career school. I have 1 month left before I have to do my externship for dental assisting. I was tired of always having to ask my parents for money due to the lousy jobs I was employed in. I figured I can gain experience and connections while I assist in a dental office.(I can also easily obtain letters of recommendation) I want to study abroad [South Korea] but I don't want to do it through a student exchange program. I am learning the language on my own but I have yet to be able to hold a conversation. So I guess my question is: Do you think that I might have a chance of being admitted to dental school with letters of recommendation alone?! I'm pretty sure that I will have to take a Korean language proficiency test and I am doing all I can in order to become proficient enough to study in Korea. Comments or information is highly appreciated biggrin.gif
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Posted 28 December 2008 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE (misuran @ Dec 25 2008, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I only have 2 anatomy classes and one organic chemistry class left to take in order to fulfill all the classes required to enroll into dental school. I decided to take a break this semester and enrolled in a career school. I have 1 month left before I have to do my externship for dental assisting. I was tired of always having to ask my parents for money due to the lousy jobs I was employed in. I figured I can gain experience and connections while I assist in a dental office.(I can also easily obtain letters of recommendation) I want to study abroad [South Korea] but I don't want to do it through a student exchange program. I am learning the language on my own but I have yet to be able to hold a conversation. So I guess my question is: Do you think that I might have a chance of being admitted to dental school with letters of recommendation alone?! I'm pretty sure that I will have to take a Korean language proficiency test and I am doing all I can in order to become proficient enough to study in Korea. Comments or information is highly appreciated biggrin.gif


Well, you seem to be putting all your eggs in one basket (Letters) -- this can be quite the risky move, as you may not necessarily know what they put in there. That letter may not be completely positive, or even positive at all. There are more factors that must be considered such as your GPA, activities, research, and personal statement. You seem to want to study abroad a lot, you could incorporate that into some kind of diversity-type essay, blah blah blah, life enriching experience, blah, etc... but make sure that your fondness for studying abroad does not interfere with your studies. One advantage I can see in studying abroad is if you do bad, just don't mention it in your app and they will not be able to exhume your records from overseas.

The short answer: Letters are not enough. If you go below 3.0, you're cutoff, most won't even read your app. DAT's below 16 are most likely red flagged since it shows a major deficiency in a single area. Essay is variable, you probably have the most control over that.

There's a lot of things that can get you disqualified. Just make sure you're not in one of those categories.


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