[matango88]

I really dont see the Hmong as being the same category as the MIAO of CHINA

if a Hmong went to a MIAO village in China, I doubt they would be accepted as being one of their own people, they dont even speak the same language.

Hmong from Southeast asia are NOT the same people as the MIAO in China

Hmong cant even trace which village they belong to in China, if their is any connection, it's long gone

I consider the Hmong from SEA to be in a whole different category, they are refugees left over fromn the VN war and have more in common with southeast asians.

so they shouldnt claim to be Miao of China or call themselves Chinese, a neighbor from Laos told be he's Hmong and also said they are Chinese also

[dancingbymyself]

Didn't they originally come from China though...

[l3lo]

this topic is just like others we've seen before. miao, chinese, korean, japanese...whatever the topic their all the same. if you want some of your questions answered just go on the other topics similar to this one.

[f_r_E_a_K]

In the 1970's, it became common to refer to all people of this culture as "Hmong", even though that's pretty generalized...I suppose this is similar to naming all people who speak Spanish natively or come from a Spanish-speaking country "Hispanic" in America. It's a political term that offends a lot of people of that culture (for lack of a better word).

Are Hmong people the same throughout Thailand and Vietnam too? Maybe that question could tie into your topic...

[destiny]

I did a little research for a paper i wrote for
my grammar & comp class..
and miao is just a general group that they
are put into by the Chinese.
The Hmong did originate from China generations
ago some of the still live there, but they
were once prohibited from using their language...
because of the conflicts they had w/
China most of them immgrated to the south...
Also, in other countries the Hmong are called Miao which refers
directly to the Hmong people.

Hmong cant even trace which village they belong to in China, if their is any connection, it's long gone

they can't because the Chinese took over there land and force them to learn their language..
anyways..there are a lot of minority groups in China like more than 10, who were taken over the Chinese or Han, which is
the major group in China.

so they shouldnt claim to be Miao of China or call themselves Chinese, a neighbor from Laos told be he's Hmong and also said they are Chinese also

just my opinion but i think the Hmong look more like Chinese than SEA people...
And by the way the SEA people also migrated from the north thousands of years ago..
so basically, all asians are connected in one way or another..

Are Hmong people the same throughout Thailand and Vietnam too? Maybe that question could tie into your topic...

They are but i think that they speech different dialects...its complicated...
and i'm not positive that that is correct...

[Ketamine]

the miaos in china is quite different from the hmongs in se asia because the hmongs in se asia has mixed with the local population which makes them more se asian


There are about 56 ethnic groups in china.

[frog]

No matter what, I know my family history and all that matters is that my grandparents told us about how they migrated to Laos and Vietnam.

My grandma and grandpa speak Hmong in a different way than we do now.

[cydevil]

"Hmong" is basically the English/native name(with some variants) while "Miao" is the Chinese name of the same ethnic grouping. They all speak the Hmong language.

[Bulwoyoo]

Hmong and Miao are basically same people; actually they don't have sovereignty or country like others so they are just like gypsies in Europe.

[infinityyy]

I have a bunch of Hmong buddies that won't know what the heck you're talking about. LOL.
It'd probably be the first time they've even heard of Miao

[love_fate&destiny]

Miao? i'm hmong and i've never heard of that. reading what i've read so far, I guess it's the chinese name for hmong?? and SEA?? what's that suppose to mean?
anyways, some hmong people speaks differently. it's still the same language but different...hmm, what is the word for it??
i can't remember
but there are 'white' hmong, 'green' hmong, and stuff. the 'white' hmong speaks the generally hmong language, but the 'green' hmong speaks hmong, but different type.
argh, it's complicated.

anyways, i have no idea why hmong claim to be same as miao of china, but i'm hmong, and i've never claimed myself to be otherwise. (even when other asked me if i was chinese!)

[Bulwoyoo]

Miao? i'm hmong and i've never heard of that. reading what i've read so far, I guess it's the chinese name for hmong?? and SEA?? what's that suppose to mean?
anyways, some hmong people speaks differently. it's still the same language but different...hmm, what is the word for it??
i can't remember
but there are 'white' hmong, 'green' hmong, and stuff. the 'white' hmong speaks the generally hmong language, but the 'green' hmong speaks hmong, but different type.
argh, it's complicated.

anyways, i have no idea why hmong claim to be same as miao of china, but i'm hmong, and i've never claimed myself to be otherwise. (even when other asked me if i was chinese!)

ah OK, is Hmong one of Chinese ethnic?

Something for joke; I have cat always say 'miao' to me; so I was going to name mong.

[CitrusFlower]

There seems to be alot of confusion with Hmong, I do think that Hmong are descendant of China

[matango88]

Miao? i'm hmong and i've never heard of that. reading what i've read so far, I guess it's the chinese name for hmong?? and SEA?? what's that suppose to mean?
anyways, some hmong people speaks differently. it's still the same language but different...hmm, what is the word for it??
i can't remember
but there are 'white' hmong, 'green' hmong, and stuff. the 'white' hmong speaks the generally hmong language, but the 'green' hmong speaks hmong, but different type.
argh, it's complicated.

anyways, i have no idea why hmong claim to be same as miao of china, but i'm hmong, and i've never claimed myself to be otherwise. (even when other asked me if i was chinese!)

SEA = SOUTHEAST ASIANS

viet, cambodians, laos, etc

[o0ohenryo0o]

Hmong are one of the largest "sub-groups" in Miao, I do believe. Unless I`m wrong, then sorry. =P
Maybe the Hmong that still remain in China call themselves that, because they live around that area.

[Miss Bouakham]

perhaps you haven't met enough hmong people because my family, acutally my whole line of relatives, and i (and probably a few other hundred thousands of hmong people too) have never called ourself chinese

[love_fate&destiny]

ah OK, is Hmong one of Chinese ethnic?

Something for joke; I have cat always say 'miao' to me; so I was going to name mong.

hmm...that's difficult, i'm not so sure.
i think yes and no.
yes, we descended from China but
No, we have different religion and culture.
er, ethnic....yes? (okay, i admit, i don't know what ethnic means... )
-_______-;;

Haha funny joke.

SEA = SOUTHEAST ASIANS

viet, cambodians, laos, etc

OOOhhh, damn, am i stupid or what? not even knowing what that means.
thanks for clearing that up.

[kissez*]

I thought Hmongs were closely related to Thailanders and Laotians.
I've never heard anything about them being Chinese. Guess this is news to me.

Hey, did you know that we all originated from Africa?
So technically we're all African. Cool, huh? hardy har har

[7thprincess]

well honestly the Hmong in USA dont claim themselves as "Miao"...but more as SEA...i do agree on that..

but the Hmong in USA, or SEA are still very similar to the ones in China...its just that the Miao is more assimilated to Chinese culture...

and actually we can understand the Miao dialect....it might be difficult and i'm pretty sure charades would be involved but if a Hmong went to a Miao village yes they can communicate...

and there have been studies saying that the Hmong originated in China, its just that the chinese destroyed hmong culture...

if you are talking about the Hmong is the USA, yes they are refugees from the Vietnam War...

but as a Hmong myself, i claim the Miao as my hmong brothers and sisters

the Hmong and Miao are not the exact same, but they are similar...i suggest you to do more research...

i suggest reading studies done by Dr. Dia Cha and Dr Gary Yia Lee

Hmong and Miao are the same people...its like saying Beijingers and Shanghainese are not the same people...

the Hmong in SEA left China, b/c they were persecuted!! and yes some Hmong stayed in China....the Miao and Hmong share similar traditional clothing patterns and styles, they sing kwv txhiaj, they use similar instruments: the qeej and 2 string lute...its just that the Miao is more assimilated to Chinese society...

i really suggest you to do more research..

i'll help you with your start on Hmong Origin research: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZaGiu7Kk7o [hopefully you are hmong..if not then...your research is gonna be harder] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnEI51gIqL4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNu526yXAGg...feature=related [read the comments...]

from niamtxiv: "The Hmong have always direct their dead back to Beijing. The Hmong in China send the soul of their dead to "Pem Ceeb" while those outside China send it to "Tuam Tshoj Teb" (Land of China)."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbd2q3_GcsI...feature=related [youtube is a great way to start your research!!!]

and Dr Dia Chia, is a professor from SCSU, in MN...this summer she took her class to a Miao village
"if a Hmong went to a MIAO village in China, I doubt they would be accepted as being one of their own people, they dont even speak the same language."

i highly doubt that...seriously do some research...

[matango88]

but most of the people that claim being the same as MIAO of CHINA

are NOT FROM CHINA, they are all HMONG from LAOS

they should call themselves a Hmong from Laos, so other people dont get the wrong idea and think your some how related to the Han Chinese.

because Chinese dont like other ethnic groups taking credit for Chinese

thats like an Eskimo from Alaska claiming they are Chinese , even though they may have migrated from asia down to Alaska a long long time ago.