[nefikaulika]

I heard that when you suicide, it's a sin, and you go to...h-e- double hockey stick. so I'm wondering. When a person smokes, drinks, does drugs, and stuff like that, would it also be considered as suicide? Especially if they know that they're damaging their own body.

Personally, I believe it is, because you're killing yourself and thats the whole point of committing suicide. it may not be instant death, but long term wise you're still killing yourself. I understand that most of the things we do could be considered suicide after me saying this, but just on this subject what do you guys think?

[kinein]

Suicide is final, with no recourse or return. There is your difference.

[Harbl]

When i smoked if i had been hit by a bus and killed. It wouldn't have been the cigs that killed me, they wouldn't have even contributed to my death in any way whatsoever.

[Amanda Plz]

Suicide is final, with no recourse or return. There is your difference.

And that there is your answer.

[BlackCat]

I guess in a way, but if its in a excess way those things are bad for you. I don't really feel in a way that this topic is appropriate for this section since its more about suicide(philosopy) then health.

It has been scientifically proven that animals tend to eat plants that make them feel good. People smoke because it helps relieve stress, make themselves feel better, etc They don't smoke because they want to die ,but they want to make life easier. Therefore people who smoke don't smoke to kill themselves. I have never meet a person who has said I smoke because I want to die... And suicide is intentional. These are just lifestyles that people have chosen and smoking has existed for ages. Also when people smoke they think about the possibility of getting lung cancer, etc but they don't believe that will happen to them. They never will believe that smoking will kill them or in any way help in their death. (just ask any smokers and they say something like I'll get hit by a car or I'll die of old age first!)


Drinking is actually very healthy for you, as long as you limit yourself.
Binge drinking on the other hand is unhealthy ,but there are many people who do it because of social reasons. Others drink because they want to drown out their sorrows. They want to get rid of pain ,but they don't want to die so they numb themselves by drinking. Is this right, of course not? But who are we to judge and tell them that they are going to h=e=double toothpicks. I think its more important to get help for these people.

These are just my opinions though...

The world is a complicated thing and you can never have a clear cut answer. It sounds to be though that you are very religious to be considering things like that so if you believe that it is wrong then don't do it. (if you yourself believe its bad then its just as bad) One thing I know for certain is to never judge people so don't judge anyone who does it ,but if you want to help them stop and they want to stop then you should defintely help. The worst crime a person can commit is judging someone and when you do that its worse then commiting the crime imo.


sorry my rant is so long lol

[coconuttiez]

Contrary to popular (and mainly Catholic) belief, completing suicide does not automatically land you in hell.

[catsinheat]

red wine is actually good for you in moderate amounts.

[leena47]

from my religios point of view your only ticket to heaven is to believe that Jesus is your savior and accept Him.
living you life for him is another thing
i think if you've accepted Jesus in your life and you suicide, you wont go to hell
and the thing about smoking and drugs i think it's the same
its a sin. and even though people do it knowing that they aren't doing any good for their body, it is the same thing as suicide
and if they've accepted Christ, they'll go to heaven
as a Christian maybe it's a weird thing to believe, but that's what the bible says
we sin so much is our lives
any of which could kill us whether we know it or not
so i dont know.. i dont think suicide takes us straight to hell

[angelcadex]

Contrary to popular (and mainly Catholic) belief, completing suicide does not automatically land you in hell.

And you know this for a fact, how...?

Everybody drank wine religiously way back when.
Jesus ain't goin to hell

[mintcracker]

nothing is wrong with smoking and drinking

it's just harmful for your health

everybody drinks now, it's no big deal

It's completely different from committing suicide.

[FunPhax]

Well, I believe the bible says you can drink but don't get drunk. Plus, my take is that you're doing all this stuff without the intention of killing yourself so I dunno.

[chiyo]

suicide is when you intentionally kill yourself, because you don't want to live anymore...

smoking, drinking is different. it depends on how much you can control your body and in how far you are addicted. if you drink wine once in a while it is healthy for your body ^^... however if it's too much, then it'll damage your health. it makes a huge diference.

people, who smoke are not any different than people, who eat too much sweets or fast food. they know it's unhealthy, but they just can't stop because it's too much joy. they don't want to die, they just can't stop. at the end you could consider this a sin... but it's nowhere near suicide.

among the seven deadly sins, it would be considered "Gluttony"... that is if you over consume anything to the point where it gets bad... a sin, but surely not suicide ^^.

(as for me, i wouldn't call it a sin, but a weakness... and no, i don't believe "sins" like this will get you into hell. because if they did, then everyone one of us would have to go to hell. because you know, everone has his/her weaknesses. god made us as imperfect humans, he loves us the way we are ^^ )

[watcher]

Contrary to popular (and mainly Catholic) belief, completing suicide does not automatically land you in hell.

I believe you are wrong about that Catholic bit...

Catechism of the Catholic Church:
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

[Kanzen]

Suicide is final, with no recourse or return. There is your difference.

Agreed.

[xohprecious]

I believe you are wrong about that Catholic bit...

Catechism of the Catholic Church:
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

Not to try and start an argument, but my priest was talking to us about this one day during church (I go to a Roman Catholic church). Awhile ago, Catholics used to believe that committing suicide would send somebody to hell as it was taking somebody's life. However, since people who want to commit suicide are not mentally-well, they do not go to hell as it is not their fault for wanting to kill themselves.

"When a person commits suicide they are not in control of their mental faculties. Depression is an illness that left unattended can sometimes lead people to contemplate suicide. God cannot condemn someone who did not know what they were doing."
- http://home.att.net/~faithleap/suicide.htm

[chiyo]

^

yeah... but not everyone, who commits suicide doesn't know what they're doing. there are so many reasons for suicides and some know exactly what they're doing. i'm not saying that those will go to hell though, because no human on earth could know, who has to go to hell and who not ^^

[watcher]

Not to try and start an argument, but my priest was talking to us about this one day during church (I go to a Roman Catholic church). Awhile ago, Catholics used to believe that committing suicide would send somebody to hell as it was taking somebody's life. However, since people who want to commit suicide are not mentally-well, they do not go to hell as it is not their fault for wanting to kill themselves.

"When a person commits suicide they are not in control of their mental faculties. Depression is an illness that left unattended can sometimes lead people to contemplate suicide. God cannot condemn someone who did not know what they were doing."
- http://home.att.net/~faithleap/suicide.htm

i think the popular thought came from this...

CCC 1033: To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self- exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell."

since one commits a grave/mortal sin at the same time of death, the assumption was that a person who committed suicide would go to hell. however, i dont think there was any official catholic teaching that specifically pointed out that suicide was a one way ticket to hell. the church refrains from specifying any one person to have gone to hell either.

but regardless, it's not a Catholic belief, so i just wanted to correct it.

[x_estherrrrrr_x]

i talked to my pastor about this and we don't think that if you commit suicide, you go to hell.
bc god doesn't rank sin from most sinful to least sinful.
all sin is sin. lying nailed jesus to the cross as well as going out and raping and murdering a child.
so suicide is a sin as well as every other sin.
i have a catholic friend that told me that he believes suicide=hell bc the person did not have time to confess it.
anyways, im baptist and i believe that suicide does not equal hell.
but is it wise to smoke, drink and do drugs? no. plus, its a stumbling block to others and god says that
its better to have a milstone tied on you and you be thrown into the ocean instead of being a stumbling block.

anyways.
i think culture has taken smoking and drinking out of context.
smoking, yeah i think it is extremely toxic to your body.
however, even jesus drank wine. but the alcohol content in the wine
back then is totally different from what wine is today.

[pochacco]

Perhaps you should talk to some sort of pastor or another religious authoritative figure.

[coconuttiez]

And you know this for a fact, how...?

I am a double major in Bible and music.

I believe you are wrong about that Catholic bit...

Catechism of the Catholic Church:
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

They are referencing to Purgatory.