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#1 User is offline   MarineGreen 

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:45 PM

Sambo, Judo, BJJ, CSW, Wrestlers of all types welcome lets use this place to discuss throws, takedowns, sweeps, guard passes, submissions etc.
first i would like to say im a BJJ newb and Judo novice.
so yeah lets discuss.

and lets talk about my favorite position first the Scarfhold haha, i have to say this is my bread n butter position on the ground and if i cant pull of a americana or armbar with my legs i opt to to either set up a gi choke or move to side mount.

what do you guys do from this position?

edit: mistaked the kimura for americana again...
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Posted 19 September 2008 - 04:53 AM

Man, I haven't rolled in about...4 years now. I still watch grappling matches and I'm a huge MMA fan, but not being able to train (for lack of money) is frustrating.

I mainly used the scarf hold as a transition to and from side control for pinning purposes. I've always noticed the leverage on that position was really easy to overcome from the bottom, meaning a huge probability of getting swept. But if you've found a way around that, that's awesome.

Again, all I (used to) do from that position was transition. If they tried to sweep their hips away from me, I'd switch to a scarf hold, stop their movement, and switch back to side control to work submissions or do whatever else came to mind at that moment. I almost always rolled no-gi btw.

Cool thread - all you grapplers, carry my lost warrior's spirit with you into battle and let me live through your sweeps, reversals and submissions. Enjoy the battle while it lasts!
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Posted 19 September 2008 - 10:05 AM

QUOTE (Johnny Y @ Sep 19 2008, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, I haven't rolled in about...4 years now. I still watch grappling matches and I'm a huge MMA fan, but not being able to train (for lack of money) is frustrating.

I mainly used the scarf hold as a transition to and from side control for pinning purposes. I've always noticed the leverage on that position was really easy to overcome from the bottom, meaning a huge probability of getting swept. But if you've found a way around that, that's awesome.

Again, all I (used to) do from that position was transition. If they tried to sweep their hips away from me, I'd switch to a scarf hold, stop their movement, and switch back to side control to work submissions or do whatever else came to mind at that moment. I almost always rolled no-gi btw.

Cool thread - all you grapplers, carry my lost warrior's spirit with you into battle and let me live through your sweeps, reversals and submissions. Enjoy the battle while it lasts!

certain scarfhold positions can be easily sweeped by bridging and and by controlling the leg and and rolling over, but i find if i modify the Hon Kesa Gatame and grab my knee instead of his shoulder and move my head down closer and shift my body a little bit down it becomes harder to sweep and i can still make it hard for the guy on bottom to breath. But yeah i have no experience in no-gi and i guess do to the sweat it would be alot easier to get out of. but im just a newb haha.

btw have you looked into judo? all the judo schools ive seen have always been alot less expensive than BJJ my judo school is olny 75 a month 4 classes a week while my bjj school is 120 for gi.
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 06:38 AM

QUOTE (MarineGreen @ Sep 19 2008, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
certain scarfhold positions can be easily sweeped by bridging and and by controlling the leg and and rolling over, but i find if i modify the Hon Kesa Gatame and grab my knee instead of his shoulder and move my head down closer and shift my body a little bit down it becomes harder to sweep and i can still make it hard for the guy on bottom to breath. But yeah i have no experience in no-gi and i guess do to the sweat it would be alot easier to get out of. but im just a newb haha.

btw have you looked into judo? all the judo schools ive seen have always been alot less expensive than BJJ my judo school is olny 75 a month 4 classes a week while my bjj school is 120 for gi.


Yeah, that makes sense. With that grip on your knee, it should definitely give you a more stable position. But I'm always paranoid about giving up any position on the opponent's hips for longer than I need. Also, I guess in your situation, with your head low like that, I'd be worried about him hooking his leg over and going for an armbar/choke. But as long as you're constantly aware of it and have good reflexes, it should never be a problem.

Yeah, BJJ and any classes directly related to MMA are a hot commodity right now, so their prices are way up there (including some Judo schools). When I was looking into Judo, about...5 years ago, I noticed their classes progressed much slower than no-gi BJJ, which was pretty much "ok guys, here's a submission, start rolling." But the art itself is excellent, and I'd definitely go out and find a good instructor if I had even $75 a month to spare. First I have to sweep debt, snap some credit cards in half, and make creditors tap and give me a better credit score. Wow, BJJ analogies...it's too early for this.
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 12:04 PM

QUOTE (Johnny Y @ Sep 20 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, that makes sense. With that grip on your knee, it should definitely give you a more stable position. But I'm always paranoid about giving up any position on the opponent's hips for longer than I need. Also, I guess in your situation, with your head low like that, I'd be worried about him hooking his leg over and going for an armbar/choke. But as long as you're constantly aware of it and have good reflexes, it should never be a problem.

Yeah, BJJ and any classes directly related to MMA are a hot commodity right now, so their prices are way up there (including some Judo schools). When I was looking into Judo, about...5 years ago, I noticed their classes progressed much slower than no-gi BJJ, which was pretty much "ok guys, here's a submission, start rolling." But the art itself is excellent, and I'd definitely go out and find a good instructor if I had even $75 a month to spare. First I have to sweep debt, snap some credit cards in half, and make creditors tap and give me a better credit score. Wow, BJJ analogies...it's too early for this.


today i added a new choke to my game drilled it quite a few times i think its called the ezekiel choke we just say sleeve choke. but every posistion has a weakness that you can exploit to escape well thats what the BB and browns say. the scarfhold may be easy to sweep for some but its a position that naturally fits me plus im able to put oppresive amounts of pressure on the bottom.

one thing i have problems with is breaking the guard its just sucks specially when they have your lapels and are trying to choke you, are they easier ways than posturing out of the guard by?

btw man your analogies were quite funny haha.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 11:35 PM

whoo!! thread!!
just thought this thread was interesting. is this considered spam? lmao
haha my bfs actually teaching me some basic moves [hes did bjj for five years]
well hes tried that is. i got some basic ones down though xD

i actually went to a mma amateur fight this past weekend. friends debut and man was it sad.
he lost to a ARMBAR in 50 sec. he was a striker, his opponent was more a grappler...and thus yea
but it was pretty funny in this other fight. this big black buff ass dude came out against this medium build white guy. and within two minutes, the black guy tapped out. white guy had him in a chokehold xD

and i wonder if any of this is relevant..
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Posted 23 September 2008 - 01:04 AM

QUOTE (kirstie_s @ Sep 23 2008, 03:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
whoo!! thread!!
just thought this thread was interesting. is this considered spam? lmao
haha my bfs actually teaching me some basic moves [hes did bjj for five years]
well hes tried that is. i got some basic ones down though xD

i actually went to a mma amateur fight this past weekend. friends debut and man was it sad.
he lost to a ARMBAR in 50 sec. he was a striker, his opponent was more a grappler...and thus yea
but it was pretty funny in this other fight. this big black buff ass dude came out against this medium build white guy. and within two minutes, the black guy tapped out. white guy had him in a chokehold xD

and i wonder if any of this is relevant..

Five years is a long time for training BJJ im impressed wish i started BJJ or Judo that long ago.
what moves did he teach you im guessing he taught you basic sweeps and submissions from the guard?

Yeah MMA has gotten to the point if your not a technichal striker and you lack a strong ground game your gonna get submitted, the days of sluggers is slowly diminishing.
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Posted 26 September 2008 - 06:53 AM

To MarineGreen,

I don't really know how the gi affects breaking a closed guard, but if all the opponent is doing is grabbing your lapels and not your sleeves, then almost all your options should still be available.

1) Elbows shoved into/in between his knees to create space and loosen ankles while posturing.

2) Get up to your feet, with body bent over, then do a romanian deadlift motion and straighten your back. No one's ever been able to keep their closed guard when I've done this without trying to pull me down before I can execute it - which experienced BJJ guys will do (this is the only one that'll be difficult if the opponent has a serious death grip on your lapels - peel those hands off you)

3) Knee against the butt to create space, go back towards one side, slide your arm under the opponent's leg on that side, and push his leg forward, thus breaking the guard.

4) Knee on the butt, push down and away on your opponent, posture

And everything else I know of is just a variation on those. Just play around and see what works for you without getting submitted or swept.
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Posted 26 September 2008 - 08:51 PM

QUOTE (Johnny Y @ Sep 26 2008, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To MarineGreen,

I don't really know how the gi affects breaking a closed guard, but if all the opponent is doing is grabbing your lapels and not your sleeves, then almost all your options should still be available.

1) Elbows shoved into/in between his knees to create space and loosen ankles while posturing.

2) Get up to your feet, with body bent over, then do a romanian deadlift motion and straighten your back. No one's ever been able to keep their closed guard when I've done this without trying to pull me down before I can execute it - which experienced BJJ guys will do (this is the only one that'll be difficult if the opponent has a serious death grip on your lapels - peel those hands off you)

3) Knee against the butt to create space, go back towards one side, slide your arm under the opponent's leg on that side, and push his leg forward, thus breaking the guard.

4) Knee on the butt, push down and away on your opponent, posture

And everything else I know of is just a variation on those. Just play around and see what works for you without getting submitted or swept.

aww man i was hoping there were easier ways to get out of closed guard...
i can usually pull of the second one but posturing out and working your ways from the gi to belt to pants is like hell to me...
thanks man
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Posted 26 September 2008 - 11:27 PM

don't forget the can opener to open the guard. gi or nogi.
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Posted 27 September 2008 - 02:45 PM

QUOTE (yib @ Sep 27 2008, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
don't forget the can opener to open the guard. gi or nogi.

im a white belt and thats a illegal move for me no neck cranks in the gi division.
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 08:35 PM

QUOTE (MarineGreen @ Sep 23 2008, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Five years is a long time for training BJJ im impressed wish i started BJJ or Judo that long ago.
what moves did he teach you im guessing he taught you basic sweeps and submissions from the guard?

Yeah MMA has gotten to the point if your not a technichal striker and you lack a strong ground game your gonna get submitted, the days of sluggers is slowly diminishing.


well he took bjj quite a few years ago back in his prime. lol
yea mainy submission dealios. armabr, kneebar, triangle, chokeholds and whatnot

ahh and i forgot to mention, bj penn was there
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 10:31 PM

Oh ok.
But I think its a good skill to have regardless of belt.
Leg locks too.

I've trained under Matt Hume and Marcelo Alonso and both places teach everything regardless of experience.
I have never competed in a gi grappling tournament so I wouldn't know the competition rules...
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Posted 29 September 2008 - 01:27 PM

Just came from the practices and I feel so rag doll on the ground, newaza is sometimes so complicated (or so I feel).
I try not to do any chokes because its way to easy and it feels like Im fleeing from the fight if I execute it but my hand just somehow goes automatically to the collars.
Damn you chokes *shaking fists*


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 10:03 PM

QUOTE (kirstie_s @ Sep 29 2008, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well he took bjj quite a few years ago back in his prime. lol
yea mainy submission dealios. armabr, kneebar, triangle, chokeholds and whatnot

ahh and i forgot to mention, bj penn was there

BJ Penn is amazing
knee bars are nasty.

QUOTE (yib @ Sep 29 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh ok.
But I think its a good skill to have regardless of belt.
Leg locks too.

I've trained under Matt Hume and Marcelo Alonso and both places teach everything regardless of experience.
I have never competed in a gi grappling tournament so I wouldn't know the competition rules...

yeah ive seen it done looks like it hurts pulling the head towards you and their chest right?
I can see why it would be a good skill to train along with leg locks and the dread heel hook haha.
Yeah im a gi grappler i took BJJ to compliment my Judo but now im hooked and probably wont go back to Judo for a while.
I train under Victor Huber pretty good instructor and a very good heavy weight with or without the gi.


QUOTE (Falcior @ Sep 29 2008, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just came from the practices and I feel so rag doll on the ground, newaza is sometimes so complicated (or so I feel).
I try not to do any chokes because its way to easy and it feels like Im fleeing from the fight if I execute it but my hand just somehow goes automatically to the collars.
Damn you chokes *shaking fists*

Chokes are awesom i prefer them over joint locks actually. Chokes for the win

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE (kirstie_s @ Sep 23 2008, 03:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
whoo!! thread!!
just thought this thread was interesting. is this considered spam? lmao
haha my bfs actually teaching me some basic moves [hes did bjj for five years]
well hes tried that is. i got some basic ones down though xD

i actually went to a mma amateur fight this past weekend. friends debut and man was it sad.
he lost to a ARMBAR in 50 sec. he was a striker, his opponent was more a grappler...and thus yea
but it was pretty funny in this other fight. this big black buff ass dude came out against this medium build white guy. and within two minutes, the black guy tapped out. white guy had him in a chokehold xD

and i wonder if any of this is relevant..



ahh.. i'd have to say grapplers pwn .. they are the ones that mainly win the fights tongue.gif


i am a BJJ artist biggrin.gif


i competed in a local tournament over the summer... sadly there were like only a few girls competing ... i was the smallest one there and i got 3rd place in my weight... i only did gi since by the time they had girls no gi pretty much all the girls left but these two big girls, so i stepped out



but i really can't wait to get to that point where i can hold up against anybody


-shop is reopened-
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 05:57 PM

marinegreen: yea he is. he was there with some kid..performing stuffy. haha

extrapetite: haha yea. cause if youre a grappeler, once you get someone on the groud its basically over.
ohh damn. you do bjj? and youre a girl?? craaaazzyyyy @.@
im too much of a sissy for anything like that xD i give you propsss
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 12:31 AM

A trained in BJJ and Judo for like half a year. And i started getting into Collegiate Wrestling. My Favorite position in Grappling is the guard game. Mainly the Rubber guard more than the standard closed guard. Cause the Rubber guard makes me feel more comfortable and actually agitates the crap out of my opponents. And i never got stacked from using the Rubber guard. And foremost I NEVER shoot for takedowns unless i'm really certain that i can. And when it comes to countering takedowns i utilize Judo from there. If i get caught in my opponents underhooks i intsantly throw him with a Taiotoshi. And i play no gi though would like to try out a gi one of these days. And as for Wrestling I feel proud of myself from Friday in practice. Cause this guy who was 30 lbs heavier then me (i'm 150 the guy was 180) Wanted to get it on the mat. But i pretty much out wrestled him and score 6 takedowns and defended all of his. here's a tiny vid of me pulling of my favorite takedown in action lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VWvXghibW0
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 10:55 PM

QUOTE (Malice X Innocence @ Nov 23 2008, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A trained in BJJ and Judo for like half a year. And i started getting into Collegiate Wrestling. My Favorite position in Grappling is the guard game. Mainly the Rubber guard more than the standard closed guard. Cause the Rubber guard makes me feel more comfortable and actually agitates the crap out of my opponents. And i never got stacked from using the Rubber guard. And foremost I NEVER shoot for takedowns unless i'm really certain that i can. And when it comes to countering takedowns i utilize Judo from there. If i get caught in my opponents underhooks i intsantly throw him with a Taiotoshi. And i play no gi though would like to try out a gi one of these days. And as for Wrestling I feel proud of myself from Friday in practice. Cause this guy who was 30 lbs heavier then me (i'm 150 the guy was 180) Wanted to get it on the mat. But i pretty much out wrestled him and score 6 takedowns and defended all of his. here's a tiny vid of me pulling of my favorite takedown in action lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VWvXghibW0

Nice man, gi is fun thats all i do actually haha one day i will trade my dogi for a rash guard and board shorts tho.
yeah the rubber guard is pretty good shinya aoki uses it very well in mma.
right now most of my takedown/throwing game is centered around yoko gake, osoto gari, drop seoi nages, and kouchi garis.
that was a nice takedown tho man. props tho man nice to see a fellow jiujitsuka/judoka!

tai otoshi is my bane specially when they circle around circle aroung pull you down and when you try to get up the pull you of to a side and bam you slapping the mat.
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Posted 25 December 2008 - 01:34 AM

im a BJJ newbie^^
ive done it for around 2-3 months,,, not sure haha
but its damn addicting!! since im short and all, and smaller than most of the guys at my club, im used to being on the bottom
i really want to strengthen my bottom game coz of that biggrin.gif Huge fan of the triangle xP

i wanna learn the gogopolata,, ive seen it get used a few times and im really fascinated with it lol
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