[avant-garde]

In this world, there is no place for race. To me, being proud of one's race or feeling special about it is completely non-sensical, as it automatically implies racial superiority and elitism (to a certain degree). Why, then, are there people out there who still think their racial identity is something to be proud of in this diverse, globalized world?

[Prot]

Those people are called racists. China number 1! Korea number 1! Japan number 1! U.S. number 1! Britain number 1! See how that "feeling special about your country" or nationalism also plays a part in a superiority complex in race?

Its been imbued in society for a long time and hasn't changed much. Look at affirmative action which is reverse racism but still racism. What needs to be changed is teachings and future populations to grow up to these broader concepts and teachings.

I wouldn't say to disregard accomplishments, or disregard your culture, but bragging about it is the difference between racial superiority and sharing a broader perspective to the world.

[Alaka'i]

http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/in...tp_preview=true
The Ku Klux Klan was the Terrorist Arm of the Democrat Party
History shows that the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party. This ugly fact about the Democrat Party is detailed in the book, A Short History of Reconstruction, (Harper & Row Publishers, Inc., 1990) by Dr. Eric Foner, the renown liberal historian who is the DeWitt Clinton Professor of History at Columbia University. As a further testament to his impeccable credentials, Professor Foner is only the second person to serve as president of the three major professional organizations: the Organization of American Historians, American Historical Association, and Society of American Historians.
Democrats in the last century did not hide their connections to the Ku Klux Klan. Georgia-born Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan wrote on page 21 of the September 1928 edition of the Klan’s “The Kourier Magazine”: “I have never voted for any man who was not a regular Democrat. My father … never voted for any man who was not a Democrat. My grandfather was …the head of the Ku Klux Klan in reconstruction days…. My great-grandfather was a life-long Democrat…. My great-great-grandfather was…one of the founders of the Democratic party.”

Dr. Foner in his book explores the history of the origins of Ku Klux Klan and provides a chilling account of the atrocities committed by Democrats against Republicans, black and white.

On page 146 of his book, Professor Foner wrote: “Founded in 1866 as a Tennessee social club, the Ku Klux Klan spread into nearly every Southern state, launching a ‘reign of terror‘ against Republican leaders black and white.” Page 184 of his book contains the definitive statements: “In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired the restoration of white supremacy. It aimed to destroy the Republican party’s infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.”

Heartbreaking are Professor Foner’s recitations of the horrific acts of terror inflicted by Democrats on black and white Republicans. Recounted on pages 184-185 of his book is one such act of terror: “Jack Dupree, a victim of a particularly brutal murder in Monroe County, Mississippi - assailants cut his throat and disemboweled him, all within sight of his wife, who had just given birth to twins - was ‘president of a republican club‘ and known as a man who ‘would speak his mind.’”

“White gangs roamed New Orleans, intimidating blacks and breaking up Republican meetings,“ wrote Dr. Foner on page 146 of his book. On page 186, he wrote: “An even more extensive ‘reign of terror’ engulfed Jackson, a plantation county in Florida’s panhandle. ‘That is where Santa has his seat,‘ remarked a black clergyman; all told over 150 persons were killed, among them black leaders and Jewish merchant Samuel Fleischman, resented for his Republican views and for dealing fairly with black customers.“




Unveiled: Democrats’ Racist Past
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/in...tp_preview=true
The Democratic Party’s Racist Past

As author Michael Scheurer succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism.

Facts about racism in the Democratic Party can be found in books such as A Short History of Reconstruction by Dr. Eric Foner and Wrong on Race: The Democratic Party's Buried Past by Bruce Bartlett. Two other books are Unfounded Loyalty and Unveiling the Whole Truth by Rev. Wayne Perryman. Rev. Perryman wrote his books after conducting five years of research. He then sued the Democratic Party for that party’s 200-year history of racism. Under oath in court, the Democrats admitted their racist past, but refused to apologize because they know that they can take the black vote for granted.


History shows that Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it. From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. Republicans fought to free blacks from slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom (13th Amendment), citizenship (14th Amendment) and the right to vote (15th Amendment). Republicans also passed the civil rights laws of the 1860's, including the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867 that was designed to establish a new government system in the Democrat-controlled South, one that was fair to blacks.


It was Democrats who started the Ku Klux Klan that became the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party to lynch and terrorize Republicans-black and white. Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws and fought every piece of civil rights legislation from the 1860’s to the 1960’s. Shamefully, Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws, and when the Democrats regained control of Congress in 1892, they passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans. Republicans founded the HCBU’s and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Democrats. It took Republicans six decades to finally enact civil rights laws in the 1950’s and 1960’s, over the objection of Democrats.


It defies logic for Democrats today to claim that the racist Democrats suddenly joined the Republican Party after Republicans—including Republican Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.—finally won the civil rights battle against the racist Democrats. In fact, the racist Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.

[avant-garde]

Those people are called racists. China number 1! Korea number 1! Japan number 1! U.S. number 1! Britain number 1! See how that "feeling special about your country" or nationalism also plays a part in a superiority complex in race?

Its been imbued in society for a long time and hasn't changed much. Look at affirmative action which is reverse racism but still racism. What needs to be changed is teachings and future populations to grow up to these broader concepts and teachings.

I wouldn't say to disregard accomplishments, or disregard your culture, but bragging about it is the difference between racial superiority and sharing a broader perspective to the world.

I completely agree with what you have said above. It's alarming to see how some people claim that they are fair and unbiased yet go around with placing some importance on their nationality. But I'd also like to add that regarding accomplishments of one's racial past can be in a way another manifestation of racial superiority. After all, it wasn't that particular individual's accomplishment that the Great Wall of China was built, that the Holy Roman Empire was established, or that America had reached the moon in the 20th century. I believe that one should only regard these great achievers as nothing more than the humble beings like the rest of us.

[Yubumsuk]

In this world, there is no place for race. To me, being proud of one's race or feeling special about it is completely non-sensical, as it automatically implies racial superiority and elitism (to a certain degree). Why, then, are there people out there who still think their racial identity is something to be proud of in this diverse, globalized world?

Your thinking is as admirable as it is wishful. I think for a start we need to recognise that race is a social construct and has nothing whatsoever to do with science. In the case of Asia and nationalistic racism, countries really have to start recognising that people are people and one nation's people really aren't that much better or worse or special than anyone else.

[Fuznut88]

theres only one race and thats human race! i like your concept which is true! lol

[Dr Facepalm]

its actually kind of indirectly racist when ppl say things like "we must abolish the concept of race" or "we all should be colorblind" etc.

not really for asians per se - this usually falls into when whites say things like this.

"Most whites don't see white as a race. Like a fish in water, they don't think about whiteness because it's so beneficial to them." - David Wellman

this is a excerpt from an article i found for an essay for my Social Inequality class -

"The emerging school of sociologists also is responding to intellectuals such as Stephen and Abigail Thernstrom (America in Black and White: One Nation Indivisible, 1997), and Shelby Steele (A Dream Deferred, 1999), who assert that discrimination is old news. Consisting mostly, but not entirely, of conservatives, this group says the country needs to transcend race by acknowledging the progress made over the past several decades. Race-conscious policies, they argue, only stir up resentment among whites while also promoting a lack of ambition among people of color by holding them to a lower standard.

As support for their claims, they point to the genetic evidence provided by the Human Genome Project that race has no biological foundation as a way to categorize people. They also cite a 1998 statement by the American Anthropological Association that explains "race" as a classification system invented in the 18th century to justify status differences between European settlers and conquered and enslaved peoples, then expanded to support efforts such as the Nazi extermination of Jews.

In August 2002, the American Sociological Association took a stand against such attempts to abolish "race" as untrue and irrelevant. In a statement, the professional society urged social scientists not to ignore race classifications or stop using them as a research tool, even though they may be biological fiction. "Those who favor ignoring race as an explicit administrative matter, in the hope that it will cease to exist as a social concept, ignore the weight of a vast body of sociological research that shows that racial hierarchies are embedded in the routine practices of social groups and institutions," the society wrote."

i doubt someones gonna read this cuz no one really responds to my little posts lol gay shet but yea heres a piece of my mind.


as you can see i find it indirectly racist to think it would be possible for a world without race. until the day when we wont even have to have this kind of discussion (also considering Gender is still a huge inequality in a world - which is even older than racism ) i doubt it will happen anytime soon

[Pogichinoy]

I disagree. The World's people need to be differentiated. Race is the number one thing that they can differentiate us with because it is out of our control.

Plus race is what has shaped the world today, if we didn't have race, there would be no racism, then the world wouldn't what it is today. I very much like how the world is today.

[shuiyin]

While I do agree with you up to a certain point I think that race also gives a sense of identity. I'm filipino and I take pride in that fact. Just b/c I take pride in it doesn't mean I think filipinos are better than any other race out there. What I'm trying to say is that I'm proud of who I am. That's all there is to it. It really just becomes a problem when that feeling of pride begins to instill feelings of superiority in a person. That is essentially what gives birth to racism. The thoughts of thinking that your better than everyone else.
I think it'd be great if we could eliminate all concepts of race from the earth but to be honest I don't think that will be happening any time soon. In fact I'm not sure if it will ever happen. Even if we did manage to eliminate race, due to the nature of human beings, we'd still manage to find a way to discriminate against each other. It just wouldn't be in the form of racism. Rather than eliminating the concept of race instead I think we need to change the way people think and feel towards the concept of race.

[avant-garde]

I wouldn't care if I were born again to be the race I am or a different race if I had the chance. Therefore, I can't say that I have pride in my race.

And also, nationalism has been on the decline for almost a half-century (at least in the western world). Further attitudes towards globalization will accelerate the process of abolishing racial differences. All countries will one day become diverse and more diverse than present day America, Canada, Australia, etc.

[sHiNHaWk]

its actually kind of indirectly racist when ppl say things like "we must abolish the concept of race" or "we all should be colorblind" etc.

not really for asians per se - this usually falls into when whites say things like this.

"Most whites don't see white as a race. Like a fish in water, they don't think about whiteness because it's so beneficial to them." - David Wellman

this is a excerpt from an article i found for an essay for my Social Inequality class -

"The emerging school of sociologists also is responding to intellectuals such as Stephen and Abigail Thernstrom (America in Black and White: One Nation Indivisible, 1997), and Shelby Steele (A Dream Deferred, 1999), who assert that discrimination is old news. Consisting mostly, but not entirely, of conservatives, this group says the country needs to transcend race by acknowledging the progress made over the past several decades. Race-conscious policies, they argue, only stir up resentment among whites while also promoting a lack of ambition among people of color by holding them to a lower standard.

As support for their claims, they point to the genetic evidence provided by the Human Genome Project that race has no biological foundation as a way to categorize people. They also cite a 1998 statement by the American Anthropological Association that explains "race" as a classification system invented in the 18th century to justify status differences between European settlers and conquered and enslaved peoples, then expanded to support efforts such as the Nazi extermination of Jews.

In August 2002, the American Sociological Association took a stand against such attempts to abolish "race" as untrue and irrelevant. In a statement, the professional society urged social scientists not to ignore race classifications or stop using them as a research tool, even though they may be biological fiction. "Those who favor ignoring race as an explicit administrative matter, in the hope that it will cease to exist as a social concept, ignore the weight of a vast body of sociological research that shows that racial hierarchies are embedded in the routine practices of social groups and institutions," the society wrote."

i doubt someones gonna read this cuz no one really responds to my little posts lol gay shet but yea heres a piece of my mind.


as you can see i find it indirectly racist to think it would be possible for a world without race. until the day when we wont even have to have this kind of discussion (also considering Gender is still a huge inequality in a world - which is even older than racism ) i doubt it will happen anytime soon

Ah, I remember discussing stuff like in one of my political science classes.

[avant-garde]

its actually kind of indirectly racist when ppl say things like "we must abolish the concept of race" or "we all should be colorblind" etc.

not really for asians per se - this usually falls into when whites say things like this.

"Most whites don't see white as a race. Like a fish in water, they don't think about whiteness because it's so beneficial to them." - David Wellman

this is a excerpt from an article i found for an essay for my Social Inequality class -

"The emerging school of sociologists also is responding to intellectuals such as Stephen and Abigail Thernstrom (America in Black and White: One Nation Indivisible, 1997), and Shelby Steele (A Dream Deferred, 1999), who assert that discrimination is old news. Consisting mostly, but not entirely, of conservatives, this group says the country needs to transcend race by acknowledging the progress made over the past several decades. Race-conscious policies, they argue, only stir up resentment among whites while also promoting a lack of ambition among people of color by holding them to a lower standard.

As support for their claims, they point to the genetic evidence provided by the Human Genome Project that race has no biological foundation as a way to categorize people. They also cite a 1998 statement by the American Anthropological Association that explains "race" as a classification system invented in the 18th century to justify status differences between European settlers and conquered and enslaved peoples, then expanded to support efforts such as the Nazi extermination of Jews.

In August 2002, the American Sociological Association took a stand against such attempts to abolish "race" as untrue and irrelevant. In a statement, the professional society urged social scientists not to ignore race classifications or stop using them as a research tool, even though they may be biological fiction. "Those who favor ignoring race as an explicit administrative matter, in the hope that it will cease to exist as a social concept, ignore the weight of a vast body of sociological research that shows that racial hierarchies are embedded in the routine practices of social groups and institutions," the society wrote."

i doubt someones gonna read this cuz no one really responds to my little posts lol gay shet but yea heres a piece of my mind.


as you can see i find it indirectly racist to think it would be possible for a world without race. until the day when we wont even have to have this kind of discussion (also considering Gender is still a huge inequality in a world - which is even older than racism ) i doubt it will happen anytime soon

This doesn't address the fundamental problems of having a racial hierarchy in the first place. Making a conscious effort to stop racial profiling or discrimination is better than allowing the division of race to happen.

And you're saying that trying to abolish all concept of race is indirectly racist? Wtf? So is this less noble than being race-conscious, which is directly racist?

[knickstorm]

theres only one race and thats human race! i like your concept which is true! lol

yes but also overused and the corniest line i've ever heard

anyway never going to happen

[avant-garde]

anyway never going to happen

Are you sure of this, as if this were a self-evident truth? Would you be able to bet your soul for this?
It will help to think about how much the world has changed in 2 decades. How much of the world today could we have predicted a decade ago, let alone two decades?

On another note, as an Asian, I can barely tell subtle difference between who is Korean, who is Chinese, and who is Vietnamese. Why the hell should anyone care?

[Prot]

yes but also overused and the corniest line i've ever heard

anyway never going to happen

Its not going to happen while the mindset of people are closed like yours.

Its threads like these: http://www.soompi.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=245524 that promote racism. Rather than disliking because of a specific reason, you dislike because someone falls into a general category.

Example:
I don't like asians because they are lazy.

Rather than generalizing and saying everyone in the category of asian is lazy, why not say, I do not like people that are lazy? What does race have anything to do with being lazy? Being lazy is something anyone can achieve. Stereotypes and racism are hand in hand. Dislike the specific reason, not the race.

[Tuffcore]

Humans are just competitive in nature.

[Fuznut88]

yes but also overused and the corniest line i've ever heard

anyway never going to happen

coming from a hardcore democratic supporter.. why is this so ironic. I thought you were a care bear for all subjects.

[Meenuh]

lol this thread reminds me of russell peters where he says that pretty soon the whole world is just gonna be brown. or something along the lines of that.

and isn't it weird how when we're talking about people who aren't of the same race, a lot of people tend to say "oh that black guy" or "that white guy" instead of just .. "that guy".

[cafe_addict]

This doesn't address the fundamental problems of having a racial hierarchy in the first place. Making a conscious effort to stop racial profiling or discrimination is better than allowing the division of race to happen.

And you're saying that trying to abolish all concept of race is indirectly racist? Wtf? So is this less noble than being race-conscious, which is directly racist?

On another note, as an Asian, I can barely tell subtle difference between who is Korean, who is Chinese, and who is Vietnamese. Why the hell should anyone care?

I agree that race doesn't have a place in this world but the social reality of things are that it does exists and it's real to people. So I would like to know how being race-conscious is directly racist, esp. if you have to be race conscious to make an effort at stopping racial profiling. Or even how playing the color blind scheme reinforces equality when it inadvertently reinforces inequality by ignoring that people are different, that some struggle more than others to meet the model citizen. See, your example of Asians is playing on the physical part: brown eyes, black hair, fair skin. Who can really tell the difference until you hear them speak, until you learn what they eat, how their country as it is today started, the wars they went through, their fundamental beliefs in the existence of life, etc. It is more so harmful to ignore that people come from a diverse background than it is to recognize that we are different.

Now I'm not entirely sure that nationalism is on a total decline and that it does no body good. If you want to take the USA as an example, nationalism transcends the diversity in this country for all kinds of people have a sense of unity. It also provides for the idea of nation-states to exists. It is when nationalism turns into extreme ethnocentrism that ignorance and the superiority complex begins to breed.

And lastly, when you start talking about race on a global level, you're just mapping the entire world under western context.

They also cite a 1998 statement by the American Anthropological Association that explains "race" as a classification system invented in the 18th century to justify status differences between European settlers and conquered and enslaved peoples, then expanded to support efforts such as the Nazi extermination of Jews.

[leejunkified]

I´m more worried about the difference of classes that money provides than the difference of races. If you´re filthy rich, everyone will suck up to you, no matter your race. Sad.