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Posted 09 October 2008 - 09:55 AM

i was doing research for my company and ran into something pretty cool. i found a Virtual PC application that pretty much as a seamless Web OS!! it's free to use, though it's not too app intensive at the moment. most of it's office suite is stuff intergrated into google and zoho, but that's not bad considering a lot of smaller companies are switching to zoho and google docs to fulfill their office/project needs.

anyways, you guys can give it a try here: http://g.ho.st/?language=en

this is totally not my website, nor a spam site, or anything of that nature. i just thought it was cool! this is probably the best Web Operating System out there right now, and it's just the beginning smile.gif
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 12:37 PM

that's pretty cool, but why would you want to run an OS inside an OS? hehe smile.gif
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (Xarthan @ Oct 9 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
that's pretty cool, but why would you want to run an OS inside an OS? hehe smile.gif


remote desktop. it's still very basic, but imagine what happens when we can install software into these virtual environments. personalized desktop you can take with you anywhere. even crappy public pc's that dont let you install stuff or cant handle certain apps... you can open up a browser and mimic a more home-like pc when you pop open your virtual OS. sometimes, you'd rather not take ur laptop everywhere you go. hit up a public/friends pc and have the private pc experience. heck, if your home pc sucks, the virtual one can do even better. the site uses amazon's cloud computing utility which really rocks! great power and performance. the bottleneck wont be processing or memory, it'll be your internet connection and rendering the screen on the client side. w00t.gif
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 02:29 PM

Maybe its just me, but I fail to see how a Web OS is better than a more traditional cloud computing model (terminal services, citrix, vdi, etc). Possibly this is to reach the consumer market? opposed to the corporate sector which has had this model of computing for ages? Can't think of any functional benefits but definitely willing to explore this more.
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 02:43 PM

QUOTE (dot1q @ Oct 9 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe its just me, but I fail to see how a Web OS is better than a more traditional cloud computing model (terminal services, citrix, vdi, etc). Possibly this is to reach the consumer market? opposed to the corporate sector which has had this model of computing for ages? Can't think of any functional benefits but definitely willing to explore this more.


i think this really comes down to how these companies will grow the product and implement their business plan. it's still too 'feature-lite' to see corporate applications, but i think progress can be made on it. there are a lot of non-technical workers along with the technical, and i'm sure it can appeal to not only consumers but low-level workers who just require a standardized [but scalable] desktop environment
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 03:30 PM

QUOTE (watcher @ Oct 9 2008, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
remote desktop. it's still very basic, but imagine what happens when we can install software into these virtual environments. personalized desktop you can take with you anywhere. even crappy public pc's that dont let you install stuff or cant handle certain apps... you can open up a browser and mimic a more home-like pc when you pop open your virtual OS. sometimes, you'd rather not take ur laptop everywhere you go. hit up a public/friends pc and have the private pc experience. heck, if your home pc sucks, the virtual one can do even better. the site uses amazon's cloud computing utility which really rocks! great power and performance. the bottleneck wont be processing or memory, it'll be your internet connection and rendering the screen on the client side. w00t.gif


well i'd still prefer doing a real remote desktop to my own computer smile.gif

but yes, it is a cool idea.
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Posted 13 October 2008 - 11:11 AM

read a blog from last month about virtualization and the progress of IT:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9256&tag=nl.e539
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Sometimes, to make an omelette, you need to break a few eggs. However if this week’s bloodbath on Wall Street is any indication, then I would say we’ve made ourselves a full-blown deep dish quiche the size of Yankee Stadium with tens of billions of cartons of eggs. The biggest and most costly damn quiche that you’ve ever seen, and the likes of which we can hardly afford the indigestion from.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.


What has happened to Bear Stearns, Citigroup, Lehman Brothers , Merrill Lynch and AIG this year is tragic, and we all know what caused it, which is the subprime mortgage crisis. We all know that this is going to have long lasting effects on the economy and international markets, and that the lives of millions of Americans are going to be affected by the death throes of some of the biggest financial institutions in the world. We can also be certain that the ensuing belt tightening that is going to follow will have a lasting impact on all kinds of spending habits by large corporations as well as individuals, and most certainly will affect spending on technology. The question is, what forms will these changes take?

Clearly the IT services sector is going to have to diversify, particularly those firms which are so heavily focused on dealing with some of these monster-sized financial companies and that engage in big, risky contracts. However, as my colleague Larry Dignan said recently, there is still a lot of room for those firms which have skill sets and experience doing Infrastructure Consolidation.

Infrastructure Consolidation in and of itself is a change agent because as IT spending decreases and the inevitable headcount reduction associated with it also comes into play, we will see many disruptive technologies that wouldn’t necessarily see such aggressive adoption come more to the forefront — case in point, Virtualization, Open Source, SAAS and Cloud Computing. Sure, all these technologies were on the radar in many firms, and they’ve had their initial pilot projects and the tires have been kicked, but in the new economy, these are going to be recognized as essential components of the reference architecture which is going to allow everyone to do more with less and will become the new model of business computing going forward.

Virtualization solves server sprawl, which begets greater investment in virtual infrastructure and for the largest of companies, mass consolidation of distributed systems on mainframes and large scale midrange systems (the “Big Minis” like IBM’s pSeries 570/595 and HP’s Integrity systems). Virtual infrastructure and mainframe consolidation begets use of Linux and other Open Source technologies on the server as increased software license costs and the traditional Wintel model starts to become less viable and breaks down.

Once all the server infrastructure is consolidated and we’ve reduced data center operational costs and moved more and more of our applications to SOA/Web Services in large enterprises and SAAS/Cloud Computing in SMBs that are less tied to managing their own infrastructure (case in point, the increasing popularity of services such as Salesforce.com) the focus will inevitably head towards the desktop and eliminating as much of that infrastructure as possible with Thin Clients, Desktop Virtualization and Linux, or a solution that combines the two.

While this thrashing about on Wall Street is distressing for everyone, myself included, the silver lining may be that the paradigm shift we were all hoping for may be coming quicker than we thought.

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 07:01 AM

^ Its the way IT has been heading strongly for the past 2-3 years I would say. If you want to stay on top of your game as an infrastructure IT professional, its best to keep savy and aware of all kinds of virtualization technology. Not only from a nos level, but down to storage and application virtualization as well. Its inevitable that we are moving to data center consolidation and "cloud" computing for all. Its already head strong in the commercial sector and its only a matter of time before it hits the the consumer market. Its just the natural progression/cycle of computing that we return back to concepts of the mainframe days. I know people have been saying this for many years, but I think technology has finally caught up in the recent years to finally be able to provide end users with a rich and full experience. If you really deep dive in to all the vitualization technologies out there, its really quite interesting and intriguing.


on a semi related note...

I am one of the VMWare engineers within my company and also project lead our VDI/Thin Client efforts and the related technologies I have been able to explore and deploy are simply amazing. Lets just say its happy news for everyone except the Desktop and Helpdesk; which is more the reason why I stress you should keep yourself educated and up to par with technologies that surround you.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 09:28 AM

QUOTE (BrocadeFabric @ Oct 14 2008, 08:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ Its the way IT has been heading strongly for the past 2-3 years I would say. If you want to stay on top of your game as an infrastructure IT professional, its best to keep savy and aware of all kinds of virtualization technology. Not only from a nos level, but down to storage and application virtualization as well. Its inevitable that we are moving to data center consolidation and "cloud" computing for all. Its already head strong in the commercial sector and its only a matter of time before it hits the the consumer market. Its just the natural progression/cycle of computing that we return back to concepts of the mainframe days. I know people have been saying this for many years, but I think technology has finally caught up in the recent years to finally be able to provide end users with a rich and full experience. If you really deep dive in to all the vitualization technologies out there, its really quite interesting and intriguing.


on a semi related note...

I am one of the VMWare engineers within my company and also project lead our VDI/Thin Client efforts and the related technologies I have been able to explore and deploy are simply amazing. Lets just say its happy news for everyone except the Desktop and Helpdesk; which is more the reason why I stress you should keep yourself educated and up to par with technologies that surround you.


haha.. im no IT guy. im the guy that makes the software that runs on top of it. u guys are my guardian angels. but i still keep myself in the loop. i mean, not all companies have an IT department, and one can't fully rely on a third party to tell us what we need, especially engineers who have specific requirements to run certain pieces of software. i now virtualization is supposed to blur these boundaries, but i still feel it's something i must have knowledge about, whether or not i know how to use/maintain it. as long as i know what they are and whats out there i should be ok.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 10:01 PM

^ oops... the message was meant for IT people in general (I didn't mean "you" as in YOU). I know you and I know this doesn't apply to you... ok how many times did I just say "you"?.. xP

So back to the concept of a "WebOS". Is it technically an OS? I guess what I'm getting at is any applications you develop for it would be written in some sort known existing web language/technology. You're not using web technologies to just create the underlying "OS" layer. So what makes it different than just a really complex web "portal"? Its still just a website that has the look and feel of an "OS" as we know today.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 09:44 AM

QUOTE (BrocadeFabric @ Oct 14 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ oops... the message was meant for IT people in general (I didn't mean "you" as in YOU). I know you and I know this doesn't apply to you... ok how many times did I just say "you"?.. xP

So back to the concept of a "WebOS". Is it technically an OS? I guess what I'm getting at is any applications you develop for it would be written in some sort known existing web language/technology. You're not using web technologies to just create the underlying "OS" layer. So what makes it different than just a really complex web "portal"? Its still just a website that has the look and feel of an "OS" as we know today.


from a developer perspective, they could make some really bangin QA environments on the fly biggrin.gif

from a normal user perspective, it's just a remote desktop where ur states are backed up by people who probably know more than the typical user. it's almost like free desktop support in a sense too.

i feel that most techies will just look and go 'this is useless' but i feel it has a lot of useful applications. there's a lot of underlying technology that we probably dont appreciate, but lower level users will. i'm not sure how far this concept will go, as there are plenty of business standard alternatives already out in the market, but im kinda curious to see how it all plays out.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 11:41 AM

QUOTE (watcher @ Oct 15 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
from a developer perspective, they could make some really bangin QA environments on the fly biggrin.gif


Ah yes, forgot about this aspect. We're just starting to look at VMWare Lab Manager for self provisioning of QA/Dev/Beta environments where the devs just check in and out complete enviroments on the fly. Definitely cool and saves me and my team a ton of work from manual provisioning. It was sweet when QA environments moved from physical to virtual but now its sweeter that there are tools for self provisioning by the end user. Leaves us completely out of the loop. Good cause app dev annoys me most of the time... haha smile.gif
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 11:45 AM

QUOTE (BrocadeFabric @ Oct 15 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah yes, forgot about this aspect. We're just starting to look at VMWare Lab Manager for self provisioning of QA/Dev/Beta environments where the devs just check in and out complete enviroments on the fly. Definitely cool and saves me and my team a ton of work from manual provisioning. It was sweet when QA environments moved from physical to virtual but now its sweeter that there are tools for self provisioning by the end user. Leaves us completely out of the loop. Good cause app dev annoys me most of the time... haha smile.gif


lol... back at MTV, we used to bug IT with the same email...

"NEED MORE QA MACHINES! NUFF SAID" laugh.gif
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