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#2451 User is offline   addicted2kdrama 

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 05:43 PM

QUOTE (klx13 @ Mar 21 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've been dating my bf for 2 years, on and off, and we see each other nearly every day. Neither of us are very "romantic" people, and I can only think of a handful of times when bf did something typically romantic for me (unexpectedly bought me a box of chocolates, bought me a winter coat because he saw I was cold). But he does care for me a lot, and takes care of me when I need it, like when I'm feeling sick or feeling down. I think your friend's bf is atypical-- walking her to class every day?! I don't know if that's romantic or just plain whipped.


It's not being whipped, It's not being romantic, It's called being sweet.
But I was so much older then, I'm much younger than that now. --Bob Dylan

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 05:56 PM

QUOTE (addicted2kdrama @ Mar 21 2008, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not being whipped, It's not being romantic, It's called being sweet.


i dont know man... walking her to class every day?
i'm sure there are nice gestures you can do for someone every single day... but that's pretty borderline IMO.
unless i really knew the situation, i'd assume the dood's whipped... haha
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 06:16 PM

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Guys... it is just me or is it normal for all couples out there to become less romantic gradually as the days go by?

I dont know...before when my bf and I were first going out, he used to be quite the romancer. And now...he's still romantic but definitely not as much as before. I don't know if he's lost interest or he's just confident that he has me?

I asked my friend...and she thinks it's okay. Her bf used to walk her to class EVERY SINGLE DAY but after a certain amount of time, he didn't walk her to class at all. And they have been dating for over a year. We've been dating for almost 4 months andwe see each other almost every single day.

*sigh* women...

You can't spoil them or they'll demand it all the time.

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 06:33 PM

QUOTE (watcher @ Mar 21 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i dont know man... walking her to class every day?
i'm sure there are nice gestures you can do for someone every single day... but that's pretty borderline IMO.
unless i really knew the situation, i'd assume the dood's whipped... haha

If I had the time and had nothing else to do, i'd do it. Why not? It's not going to take hours.
But if he was forced into doing it, than he's whipped.

QUOTE (Tuffcore @ Mar 21 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*sigh* women...

You can't spoil them or they'll demand it all the time.


I agree with you 100000%. Even the girls I know would agree with you too. They expect too much if you do it too much. It has to be once in a while.
But I was so much older then, I'm much younger than that now. --Bob Dylan

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 07:01 PM

Girls do get spoiled, but I think guys do too. Anyone gets spoiled pretty easily period.

One of my friends who was quite pretty had guys doing essays for her, shop for her, drive her places, and they weren't even her boyfriend. And she didn't feel one bit guilty about it.
Bitter, sweet, the price of a forbidden passion. The black rose, who will cry for her? For she is only an illusion, a mirage that only exists in the deepest realms of one’s desires.”
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (jshat4 @ Mar 21 2008, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Girls do get spoiled, but I think guys do too. Anyone gets spoiled pretty easily period.

One of my friends who was quite pretty had guys doing essays for her, shop for her, drive her places, and they weren't even her boyfriend. And she didn't feel one bit guilty about it.


I think you'll see more girls getting spoiled than guys. Since, in most relationships the guys do the courting.

Your friend sucks, I hate it when girls use guys. And the guys who put themselves in the position to get used is quite retarded also.
But I was so much older then, I'm much younger than that now. --Bob Dylan

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 07:39 PM

Hahaha, yes, my bf does spoil me. Even he says he does.

I do expect too much, don't I? sad.gif

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 07:52 PM

to papabear and klx13:


but what if it IS right? i mean, what if it does work out? we've never tried to be really TOGETHER and the only thing i'm really sure of is that it IS worth a shot. i mean, the REAL relationship and not this, is what's worth a shot but to get to that THIS has to happen. is there any other way?
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE (livelove @ Mar 21 2008, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
to papabear and klx13:


but what if it IS right? i mean, what if it does work out? we've never tried to be really TOGETHER and the only thing i'm really sure of is that it IS worth a shot. i mean, the REAL relationship and not this, is what's worth a shot but to get to that THIS has to happen. is there any other way?


That's your [excessive] emotional attachment talking.

I think he's revealed more than enough about his character--if you don't see that there are problems with him, then you won't understand why things won't work out in the long run.
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 08:27 PM

^ i understand that he can do the same to me but... what if he doesnt? i KNOW, it's unlikely that it wont happen, but what if it doesnt?? he's never 'cheated' on me before. i mean, aside from his girlfriend. sleep.gif okay that sounded ridiculous, but during the time he didnt have a girlfriend and when he was courting me, he was wonderful. he did things i never thought anyone would do for me. he's never did those things for anyone else before, i know that for a fact. and he used to cheat a lot more on his girlfriend before but he totally stopped during that time and broke up with her for me. my mistake was rejecting him. the only time he stuck to one girl was when he was with me. maybe it's just me thinking that i can change him but he did prove to be much more loyal than i ever thought he could be before.
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 08:29 PM

if you think fixer-uppers are a good way to go with your love life, you should read the book--it's one of the 10 mistakes.
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 08:36 PM

^ I think it's a mistake living your love life by the books, esp. the ones that talk about love. Somethings can be a mistake for you but it can be different for others.
But I was so much older then, I'm much younger than that now. --Bob Dylan

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Posted 21 March 2008 - 08:53 PM

QUOTE (addicted2kdrama @ Mar 21 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ I think it's a mistake living your love life by the books, esp. the ones that talk about love. Somethings can be a mistake for you but it can be different for others.


yeah, marrying an adulterer can work out for some people... rolleyes.gif
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 08:54 PM

^^ thank you. i know all about the patterns, i've read books, i've watched oprah sleep.gif still. god i dont know what to do anymore.

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who said anything about marriage? and adultery?
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 08:58 PM

QUOTE (livelove @ Mar 21 2008, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^^ thank you. i know all about the patterns, i've read books, i've watched oprah sleep.gif still. god i dont know what to do anymore.

edit:
who said anything about marriage? and adultery?


That was a response to addicted2kdrama's comment, to which I would add: a book can be as good as live advice from someone who knows about relationships and people.

I think you should walk away and cut things off. And figure out why you have so much invested in this.


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Posted 21 March 2008 - 09:13 PM

^ okay, thank you for your input. i will seriously think about it. sigh.
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Posted 21 March 2008 - 09:56 PM

QUOTE (livelove @ Mar 22 2008, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ okay, thank you for your input. i will seriously think about it. sigh.


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Posted 22 March 2008 - 12:11 AM

Well, I have to say I mostly have a pessimistic view of relationships and people in general (fair warning). But just because someone cheats doesn't make them a bad person. Everyone makes mistakes. But continuously being in this love triangle with someone who has a girlfriend that they're obviously not breaking up with at the moment... is futile. I've been in a somewhat similar situation, and I doubt any good relationship can ever come out of this. Cheating with someone is not the right way to start off any real, adult relationship. Doesn't matter if he's the best guy you've ever known, etc.

People cheat for plenty of reasons-- they're bored with their current relationship, they just want something on the side with no real commitment, or say this guy does care about you like he says he does and wants to be with you instead--- but feels somehow obligated to his gf. This guy sounds like he basically wants it all, the stability of a long term relationship with his gf and also the side relationship with you. But if he really did want to be with you instead, he would have broken up with the gf long ago and stayed broken up, and pursued you even when you said no. Maybe he's more attached to his gf than he believes, which is why he hasn't left her yet.

In any case, why would you want to date someone who's cheated so much in the past? He hasn't cheated on you, technically, except his gf, but who knows? And you said he cheated a lot before, too. This guy has got issues, and clearly hasn't resolved them yet. Don't waste any more time on this guy, really. People are creatures of habit for the most part, so I really really don't think he would change even if you were to be in a relationship with him.

Also, the fact that you've kept it a secret for long is probably why you're still in this. When I was in a similar situation, it went on for so long because I could barely admit to myself that it was happening and that it was bad. When I started opening up to my friends and confiding in them about it, I heard their advice and their reasoning and it helped me realize how stupid I was being and what a bad situation it was for both me and him.
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Posted 22 March 2008 - 07:55 AM

QUOTE (klx13 @ Mar 22 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I have to say I mostly have a pessimistic view of relationships and people in general (fair warning). But just because someone cheats doesn't make them a bad person. Everyone makes mistakes. But continuously being in this love triangle with someone who has a girlfriend that they're obviously not breaking up with at the moment... is futile. I've been in a somewhat similar situation, and I doubt any good relationship can ever come out of this. Cheating with someone is not the right way to start off any real, adult relationship. Doesn't matter if he's the best guy you've ever known, etc.

People cheat for plenty of reasons-- they're bored with their current relationship, they just want something on the side with no real commitment, or say this guy does care about you like he says he does and wants to be with you instead--- but feels somehow obligated to his gf. This guy sounds like he basically wants it all, the stability of a long term relationship with his gf and also the side relationship with you. But if he really did want to be with you instead, he would have broken up with the gf long ago and stayed broken up, and pursued you even when you said no. Maybe he's more attached to his gf than he believes, which is why he hasn't left her yet.

In any case, why would you want to date someone who's cheated so much in the past? He hasn't cheated on you, technically, except his gf, but who knows? And you said he cheated a lot before, too. This guy has got issues, and clearly hasn't resolved them yet. Don't waste any more time on this guy, really. People are creatures of habit for the most part, so I really really don't think he would change even if you were to be in a relationship with him.

Also, the fact that you've kept it a secret for long is probably why you're still in this. When I was in a similar situation, it went on for so long because I could barely admit to myself that it was happening and that it was bad. When I started opening up to my friends and confiding in them about it, I heard their advice and their reasoning and it helped me realize how stupid I was being and what a bad situation it was for both me and him.


i do know that he feels obligated to his gf and that's one of the primary reasons he cant break things off with her. she used to be suicidal and attempted to hang herself when they broke up a while ago. they were constantly fighting etc etc. you get the point. that's why they cant break up unless the girl breaks up with him. it's unfair but really, when the girl is like that...

i do know he's got issues, and we're trying to work them out. i used to give him tasks to do as a sort of 'therapy' LOL. anyway, another reason we got really close was that even after i rejected him, he still pursued me. it got to the point that people would laugh at him for being so obsessed and etc and he began to hate me for that. but things got resolved, my then bf and i broke up, he 'moved on' (partially), but then he lost most of his friends and had no one to talk to anymore. but i stuck with him and talked to him etc etc. eventually he got back together with his gf and everything was fine and dandy.

we kind of drifted apart but then when i was having problems he helped me out again and his old feelings returned. his girlfriend found out (sort of, she still didnt know the whole story), a lot happened after that and we stopped talking. i changed my number, changed emails etc etc. i basically took him out of my life. he found a way to contact me and i just let my guard down because i was feeling depressed that time and as you all know by now, his old feelings returned. things happened--and well... the rest is history.

no one still really knows the truth. i dont trust anyone anymore, that's why i cant confide in anyone. my friends, i know they wont judge me, but i dont want to hurt them. i know they'll get caught in the middle and i dont want to trouble them with my problems. i basically keep everything to myself except for this. i guess that's why im so confused.

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 10:42 AM

I feel too old to be on Soompi, and yet I keep coming back. There's gotta be some psychological problem with me, right?
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