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#701 User is offline   jcraze 

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 01:00 AM

QUOTE(blindboi @ Jan 3 2007, 05:50 AM) View Post
what signal are you referring to?



we get quite cozy physically, although it is when we're slightly drunk, although there have been times when we've been sober and there were touches. Now, shes japanese but i assume they're like women all around the world, and those touches seem to be more than friendly.

and we do seem to enjoy talking with each other.

but at the moment im competing with another guy for her ... and shes not showing which side shes on.



I think all the young guys here rejoice at what melkim has said.
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 01:16 AM

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we get quite cozy physically, although it is when we're slightly drunk, although there have been times when we've been sober and there were touches. Now, shes japanese but i assume they're like women all around the world, and those touches seem to be more than friendly.

and we do seem to enjoy talking with each other.

but at the moment im competing with another guy for her ... and shes not showing which side shes on.
I think all the young guys here rejoice at what melkim has said.

Well if you and her feel comfortable touching each other, try escalating the touching. I always say screw the other guy, he not there. If you want to kiss her, when you two are alone sitting next to each other, brush her hair aside and smell her neck, this will give her crazy >;D then say "mmmhhh you smell good" say it slow with a low tonality. You two will be staring at each other, look at her eyes then her lips back to her eyes and BAM kiss his but NO TONGUE let her tongue you first ;D
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 02:02 AM

QUOTE(blindboi @ Jan 3 2007, 01:16 AM) View Post
Well if you and her feel comfortable touching each other, try escalating the touching. I always say screw the other guy, he not there. If you want to kiss her, when you two are alone sitting next to each other, brush her hair aside and smell her neck, this will give her crazy >;D then say "mmmhhh you smell good" say it slow with a low tonality. You two will be staring at each other, look at her eyes then her lips back to her eyes and BAM kiss his but NO TONGUE let her tongue you first ;D


I don't know why...but a lot of your posts sound really creepy to me or...immature. You give off this egotistical, chauvinistic, perverted vibe.
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 03:07 AM

actually ... creating attraction by doing those things is a good thing.

And u have to go in for the kiss if the moment permits. With that said, i'll see whether i'll follow the suggestion wink.gif.

We'll see how it goes, we've planned a dinner sometime soon.
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 11:25 AM

A good read
http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/nic...spineless.shtml

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The Man With No Spine - A parable for "Nice Guys"
By John Russell

There once was a man without a spine.

He was a very likable guy. The advantage of not having a spine was that he could fit himself to anyone, and he frequently did. He could flex this way and that.

But he couldn't stand up ...

...and being kinda mushy and flat most of the time, people often walked on him without realizing he was there.

So he got sad, having this dreadful absence of a spine, and he was resentful too. He wondered why other people couldn't fit themselves to him the way he fit himself to others, but that was silly because he never felt he had the right to ask anyone directly to fit themselves to him. He was formless, what was there to fit to anyway? In cyberspace he talked tough as if he had a spine, but people could clearly see by his rage and resentment that he didn't have one in real life, and he perished in the flame wars he provoked and only came out feeling more ashamed and ineffectual.

He wished he could be with a woman, to help him the way a spine would. If he clung to a woman with a spine, he could stand up, but women didn't like it when he did that. He often called them "bitches" for the women with spines coldly asked him to let go of them, or unceremoniously shrugged him and his issues off onto the ground telling him to get his own spine.

If he fancied a spineless woman, on the other hand, he couldn't get her interest because they were looking for men with spines that they could cling to. But the spineless women would hang around with him for sympathy, and he'd be their platonic male friend and play "therapist" though he was as sick as they were. He'd often call himself a "feminist" and lecture these spineless women how to stand on their own when he had no idea of how to stand for himself.

With all the bending and flopping around he did, a spine never could get a chance to grow.

Then one day he had a brainstorm, he decided he'd make himself a spine.

He took a long stick.... and he put it far up his ass.

It was an improvement, though uncomfortable. It was the first time in his life he could walk tall, if not a bit stiff. He found he could have opinions at odds with others, and stand for them. He found out that he didn't have to be liked, that the world didn't end if he pissed someone off. He didn't want to fit easily with other people anymore, in fact he became inflexible.

People commented on the change, some people didn't particularly like him with the stick up his ass but they did notice him more. Some people felt that at least they could respect him, even if they didn't always like him because he did less whining. At least nobody stepped on him by accident.

However relationships still didn't come easy, it was hard for a woman with a spine to love him with the stick up his ass. He was stiff, cold, brutally opinionated, condescending, and self-righteously hostile. But eventually he did attract a very pretty woman without a spine who saw him as a tower of strength to cling to.

At first he loved this woman, he thought the stick up his ass was the answer to his dating problems. He was finally being loved the way he once loved others. At first it was great, and then it was good, and then it was ok, and then it was uncomfortable, and by the end of a year it was infuriatingly suffocating. The spineless woman clung like a straightjacket. The horror!!! The horror!!!

But the stick up his ass made him so inflexible he didn't know how to get the spineless woman off of him, If only he could bend. He was trapped, upright in his "obligations", "duty to her", "guilt", "pride in his commitment", he spent months with his arms helplessly flapping about trying to get her off of him and trying not to look like he was doing that.

He was hoping that she would leave by hinting her indirectly, he used sarcasic tones, said mean things that were "just a joke", neglect, "constructive" criticism intended to insult. He only made the spineless woman feel more insecure, so she clung HARDER.

Spineless men envied him, called him a jerk for the way he was treating her, just the way he remembered how he used to envy other men before he had the stick up his ass (when he'd play consoler to their teary-eyed spineless girlfreinds). If only they knew what it was like to be on the receiving end of a spineless person's embrace they'd understand. He wished she'd leave him for one of the spineless men who envied him. He felt ashamed for the way he must have made women feel in the past when he was trying to cling to them, he knew that they weren't so evil after all.

One day he decided that there was only one way to be free of the spineless woman once and for all, the stick up his ass had to go.

So he pulled the stick out, and to his amazement a miracle happened: he was still standing! All of the years of inflexibility allowed him the chance to grow a spine. At first he was still a bit stiff but eventually he had the flexibility to contort a bit and yet maintained the firmness to struggle, push, and wriggle from the spineless woman's grasp (though she protested much). He stayed far out of her reach and the reach of other spineless women so that he could never be grasped by one again.

He was overjoyed with his new-found freedom; he could bend sometimes like he used to (but not too far) and also he could stand tall. He went out, partied, enjoyed life to the fullest, and eventually found a woman with a normal spine like his.

They stood together as separate individuals giving mutual support and enjoying time alone too, and lived (relatively) "happily ever after"...

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 12:50 PM

^ nice read... though I'm not too sure about the site's URL... lol
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE(thealmightyGOD @ Jan 3 2007, 02:02 AM) View Post
I don't know why...but a lot of your posts sound really creepy to me or...immature. You give off this egotistical, chauvinistic, perverted vibe.

sorry if I am not a teenager anymore but this is what adult do ;D MENS take the initiative, so MAN UP BUDDY, MAN UP!!!!
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE(blindboi @ Jan 3 2007, 03:51 PM) View Post
sorry if I am not a teenager anymore but this is what adult do ;D MENS take the initiative, so MAN UP BUDDY, MAN UP!!!!



I actually agree with what you posted. If she kisses back, who cares?! Girls always wait for the guy to make the first move anyway. I think what you said was very realistic. Right on.


I just wanna rant and rave bec. I snagged a hot co-worker and it just feels kinda cool sneaking around the office making out in the back stairwell but it sucks not being able to touch or talk to him in public during the day. tongue2.gif
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 01:30 PM

QUOTE(blindboi @ Jan 3 2007, 12:51 PM) View Post
sorry if I am not a teenager anymore but this is what adult do ;D MENS take the initiative, so MAN UP BUDDY, MAN UP!!!!


I'm not saying that stuff creeps me out. I'm saying when you say this kind of stuff...

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brush her hair aside and smell her neck, this will give her crazy >;D then say "mmmhhh you smell good" say it slow with a low tonality.


The way you say it...is creepy? I don't know how to explain it.
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE(Tuffcore @ Jan 3 2007, 11:25 AM) View Post

That was a good read. I guess I'm currently spineless, but I'm not prepared to put a stick up my ass - much less anything - just to grow one.
I suppose I'm fearful that I'd like it too much and just turn gay instead. mellow.gif
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE(thealmightyGOD @ Jan 3 2007, 01:30 PM) View Post
I'm not saying that stuff creeps me out. I'm saying when you say this kind of stuff...
The way you say it...is creepy? I don't know how to explain it.

yeah it is ;D but girls love it ;D so who cares right?
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 01:53 PM

QUOTE(incyphe @ Jan 3 2007, 12:50 PM) View Post
^ nice read... though I'm not too sure about the site's URL... lol
QUOTE(HERMIT @ Jan 3 2007, 01:40 PM) View Post
That was a good read. I guess I'm currently spineless, but I'm not prepared to put a stick up my ass - much less anything - just to grow one.
I suppose I'm fearful that I'd like it too much and just turn gay instead. mellow.gif

LOL, I frequently get accussed of being a "nice guy" by women and i just didn't understand exactly what that means. So, googling and surfing the net has helped me answer that. I found my way to that parable and it hits it right on the money.

This is a good read too from the same site...

http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/nic.../niceguys.shtml

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Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS

You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless pinkberry for dumping him."

I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like mini cooper, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea."

If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it.

What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys ™ are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life...

Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure.

Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date".

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him.

Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one.

Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here."

The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?"

More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!

Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.

This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love".

Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF.

You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 03:14 PM

^^but you dont want to be an a-hole either, it's better to be in between.
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 03:53 PM

wow those articles are pretty damn good.
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 10:57 PM

I'd say both of those long articles can basically be summed up as:

Find your nuts and stop being a pussy.
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 11:05 PM

QUOTE(UoMDeacon @ Jan 3 2007, 10:57 PM) View Post
I'd say both of those long articles can basically be summed up as:

Find your nuts and stop being a pussy.


Thanks for the summary. Good thing I was too lazy to read the articles.
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 11:42 PM

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I'd say both of those long articles can basically be summed up as:

Find your nuts and stop being a pussy.


well the nice guy as the article describes him isnt messing up cuz he wont make the moves, he's just making way too many wrong ones.
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Posted 04 January 2007 - 01:43 AM

QUOTE(UoMDeacon @ Jan 3 2007, 10:57 PM) View Post
I'd say both of those long articles can basically be summed up as:

Find your nuts and stop being a pussy.

Guys just need CONFIDENCE. Thats something that girls dig.
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Posted 04 January 2007 - 10:31 AM

QUOTE(sHiNHaWk @ Jan 4 2007, 01:43 AM) View Post
Guys just need CONFIDENCE. Thats something that girls dig.

Wow, that word is very big, black, large, and thick...


i need more of this... phew.gif
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Posted 04 January 2007 - 11:15 AM

-not all nice guys are insecure.
-not all jerks are confident.
-a nice guy who turns into a jerk for girls is just as insecure as the nice guy who was too insecur to begin with.
-confidence is often times a reflection of how you see yourself
-never say never, but dont ignore the mountain in front of you
-if all else fails, take a shot of something strong smile.gif
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