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Using Soap (and Water) Instead replaces *toothpaste*shampoo*conditioner*acne/facewashes*

Poll: What Are you Accustomed to....? (2822 member(s) have cast votes)

Showering or Bathing in a Week

  1. Once (50 votes [1.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.77%

  2. Twice (59 votes [2.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.09%

  3. Thrice (121 votes [4.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.29%

  4. Every other day (541 votes [19.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.16%

  5. Everyday of course! (2052 votes [72.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.69%

Washing your Hair

  1. Everyday no question (1269 votes [41.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.52%

  2. Whenever I bathe (855 votes [27.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.98%

  3. 3-4x a Week (932 votes [30.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.50%

I always use shampoo AND conditioner

  1. yes - how else would i wash my hair? (1542 votes [50.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.03%

  2. no - i sometimes skip the shampoo (181 votes [5.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.87%

  3. no - i sometimes skip the conditioner (1163 votes [37.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.74%

  4. no - i've used soap before (73 votes [2.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.37%

  5. no - i've used just water before (123 votes [3.99%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.99%

I check the ingredients of products I use

  1. no - who cares? (1071 votes [37.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.94%

  2. yes - just when i'm bored on the can (1385 votes [49.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.06%

  3. yes - i'm concerned about harsh and harmful chemicals (367 votes [13.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.00%

I know what "homeostasis" means off the top of my head

  1. nope (1457 votes [51.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.61%

  2. yes - i think it came up sometime in high school bio (1208 votes [42.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.79%

  3. yes - it's a factor in my selection of personal care products (158 votes [5.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.60%

I know that these ingredients in commericial products are harmful

  1. SODIUM LAURYL SULFATE (SLS) (589 votes [13.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.57%

  2. SODIUM LAURETH SULFATE (SLES) (503 votes [11.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.59%

  3. PETROLATUM, PETROLEUM, MINERAL OIL (367 votes [8.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.46%

  4. PROPYLENE GLYCOL (229 votes [5.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.28%

  5. GLYCEROL / GLYCERIN (234 votes [5.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.39%

  6. Titanium Dioxide (334 votes [7.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.70%

  7. nope; no idea (1878 votes [43.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.28%

  8. yeah yeah i've heard but what's the big deal? (205 votes [4.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.72%

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#301 User is offline   maoling 

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 12:22 PM

Going into week two now.

My skin is much much better biggrin.gif Lots whiter, smoother, and less black heads. This makes me happy.

Hair...Dunno, it hasn't much since I last updated. Less oily? I guess? Lol. Well I suppose I have been using conditioner for...over a decade now...so it's gonna take a while.
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Posted 27 January 2009 - 03:16 PM

i showered with Olivia Care soap (lavender) today for the first time. No drastic effects (wasn't expecting any), but i was surprised that my skin did feel a bit less dry than it usually does after a hot shower. I have realllly dry skin (thanks to eczema dry.gif ), and i had to put on a little bit of lotion and moisturizer, but i got the moisture i needed with much less product than i typically would use.

As for hair, it felt so gross while i was washing it in the shower. It was a nasty, sticky, waxy feeling when i rinsed the soap out (i almost rewashed my hair with shampoo because it was so gross). After the shower, i towel dried my hair (and it dried much faster than usual) and then blow dried off the excess moisture and the waxy feeling was gone. Then, i straightened my hair and now it feels completely normal, maybe even more moisturized than it usually does after i straighten it.

I'm going to continue using the soap. I love how it leaves my skin more moisturized. Hopefully, I'll get even better results as time goes by. Thanks for the advice Eunbit!!

PS: I got my soap @ TJ Maxx. I went to Marshalls, but couldn't find the Olivia Care brand. Then i went to TJ maxx and found exactly 2 bars of the Olivia Care 8 oz bars in lavender scent. I was ECSTATIC when i found it, especially since it was hidden behind other products. For people who are looking, i think most people have had better luck at TJ Max. smile.gif
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Posted 27 January 2009 - 03:41 PM

do you advice I still use
http://www.dermadoctor.com/product_DERMAdo...r-kit_2447.html
or
http://www.dermadoctor.com/product_AmLacti...-Cream_190.html
for my kp ? I have tried doing nothing for a year, but the condition does not get any better.

also what do you think about face mask?

Thank you so much!
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Posted 27 January 2009 - 10:19 PM

you know what? I was just rereading some of your posts Eunbit...and I realize my skin problems (like when it got seriously bad) was when I started trying the bare minerals makeup. Wooooooow. Okay, I'm going to go throw it out now. Angrily. Piece of poo.
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Posted 27 January 2009 - 11:14 PM

So I washed my hair with soap today. (which was probably a stupid action, since i dont even know if my soap is like castile or not T_T stupid stupid me.)

but in all honesty, i am quite alright with my results. I was surprised because I didnt know my hair would be so smooth. When i dried it (cold air xD) it took a while, and there was A LOT of wax x_x, but my hair seems pretty smooth. it wasnt as waxy and ugly as i thought it would be.

Sadly, there is still a little bit of a waxy feeling. Although i expected it. From the posts, it seems like a need a long transition period because of the buildup of the other products. x_x well this is the annoying build up, huh. x_x


im probably gonna try this for about a week to see how it goes. bleh, i need to tie my hair tomorrow. x_x

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 05:31 PM

eunbit, you would reccomend any moisturizer with minimal products, right? well i was looking on goodguide.com to see ratings for products and i came across the moisturizer

http://www.jaimeearl.com/product_info.php?...4100abde80d7cb4

and would you suggest it? no spf though, i know moisturizer is not needed but i need something in the mean time due to harsh cold weather to keep my skin hydrated, im still looking for a good moisturizer w/ spf. thank you.

edit.

i've found a sunscreen, with what seems like minimal chemicals, http://allnaturalcosmetics.com/products.ph...=2&pl_id=15

i don't know yet if its lightweight and good for everyday wear.

also, is it bad if you swallow some of the soap while brushing your teeth? Just wondering lol, kinda annoying cause i just burped up bubbles LOL.


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Posted 28 January 2009 - 05:40 PM

QUOTE (maoling @ Jan 27 2009, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Going into week two now.

My skin is much much better biggrin.gif Lots whiter, smoother, and less black heads. This makes me happy.

Hair...Dunno, it hasn't much since I last updated. Less oily? I guess? Lol. Well I suppose I have been using conditioner for...over a decade now...so it's gonna take a while.


how did your skin get WHITER? o_o
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE (kcy @ Jan 28 2009, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how did your skin get WHITER? o_o


Vell, it got paler...biggrin.gif
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 05:53 PM

QUOTE (maoling @ Jan 28 2009, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Vell, it got paler...biggrin.gif


Er... whiter = paler.
But, how? If you're only using SOAP and not a whitening soap :S


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Posted 28 January 2009 - 06:11 PM

did uhm... 5th time washing? okay I'm losing count @.@
but I converted about 1 oz of my bar of soap into liquid soap [recipe found on pg 14 I believe...sorry I forgot who posted the link >_<] and it made hair washing easier that way

I think I've become paler too...unless that was the effect of washing with likas papaya soap before? o-o
not sure... but now my skin is really smooth, still a bit on the dry side though. But my acne is pretty much gone, just a bit of scarring

I think my hair did get a bit of waxy feeling at the roots, but the rest of the hair feels perfectly fine. biggrin.gif
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 06:34 PM

This regime isn't working out so well for me. I managed to find a bar of Kirk's Castile soap. It contains Coconut soap, water, coconut oil, vegetable glycerin, and natural fragrance. Before this, my regime consisted of just Cetaphil and some sunblock. Now that I switched to this, my skin has become a lot redder. I think I had rosacea, but Cetaphil calmed it down before. But now, though my face looks better directly after the wash (my skin was already clear before, so I didn't have any acne to get rid of), a few minutes later, it would feel tight and dry and my skin would start to get hot and act up. My hair isn't so bad, so I'm willing to stick to the soap as shampoo. But I'm wavering a bit on whether or not I should stick to the soap for washing my face.
Can someone help me? Should I stick to this soap, a different version, or go back to my old regime? I think that even if my body returns things to its natural state, my face will still be inflamed.

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 06:48 PM

QUOTE (kcy @ Jan 29 2009, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Er... whiter = paler.
But, how? If you're only using SOAP and not a whitening soap :S


For me personally, I think it was all the exfoliation. After reading this thread I found out I was doing it all wrong, plus I relied too heavily on moisturizer to soften the flakiness of my skin.
I did it first very gently with a korean towel after I soaked with warm water. but because my cheeks are so flaky all the time, I did it a few more times with a plain soft towel a couple days later. Each time I do this it gets smoother and whiter. maybe i'm just seeing things though (whitening effect I mean) tongue.gif
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 06:48 PM

well i've been using l'occitane's 72% pure vegetable oil marseille soap for hair and face for the past week and no obvious success yet.

my hair doesn't feel waxy, but it isn't sleek/smooth either-in fact after it dries, it sort of frizzes? well as much as untreated asian hair can frizz. anyone else have this issue?

on the plus side, my hair does dry remarkably quickly, and far less hair falls out in the shower, which is excellent.
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE (kcy @ Jan 28 2009, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Er... whiter = paler.
But, how? If you're only using SOAP and not a whitening soap :S


Well, it is a higher quality soap and so without all the chemicals holding it back...I think my skin is healing itself more effectively and therefore putting up new cells. smile.gif
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Posted 28 January 2009 - 08:08 PM

I found this thread really interesting. Thanks Eunbit!

I'm planning to start today, and I asked my mom if she had any natural soap...
and she found this one...

what do you think??

http://www.honeybeecentre.com/qs/product/57/4937/185222/0/0

it consists of wild flower honey, pure beeswax, and saponified oils of palm, coconut, and canola.


*Edit

I also had a question. My mom gets mad at me for not putting on lotion at times... So I always thought that moisturizing your skin was important - to prevent wrinkles and stuff..... But I read earlier that lotion is really not necessary?

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 09:45 PM

My Olivia Care soap came!!! I wish I could have ran down to the TJ Maxx or Marshalls, but I'm little miss sigol, and I couldn't. sleep.gif So I ordered from their website instead. Shipping was expensive and it took a while, but the soaps came undamaged...and wow are they good.

I used to be really crazy about Lush soaps, particularly Honey I Shrunk the Kids...which I still think smells great, but there's a big difference in quality. With a castile soap, you can tell that it comes from a natural, pure vegetable source. It's even soft and moisturizing to the touch. They smelled good too. I chose mandarin, green tea, and lavender-- my hands down favorite is green tea, followed by lavender. Mandarin is okay, but it smells like a creamsicle, which is one smell I've never liked a lot. Depends on the person I guess.

I've been using organic skincare and shampoos for a while now...but they always continue to feel filmy and like they're leaving some strange buildup on my hair. Turns out that while they were SLS-free, they were sneaking in a few other questionable ingredients, that I had thought "must be okay since the bottle says Organic, SLS-free."

While living in Korea I really damaged my skin and hair because I really fell for a lot of cutsey advertising by Face Shop, Skin Food, etc....all chemical %#%storms just like the stuff here in the US. Just has better marketing haha.

So I've been researching a lot, but I never really had the confidence to go the full yard until I read this post by Eunbit who actually went conventional product free and greatly improved because of it.

I was still skeptical though. I mean even here on Soompi we get a lot of mixed messages. One poster claims that ____ product SAVED her skin and gave her a perfect complexion while my own head and the research I did tells me that these chemicals are terrible for my skin. But I thought I'd try.

In the Shower
I first washed my body with it and WOW this stuff lathers really, really well!! And the lather felt soooooo soft. I can't explain if fully, but it felt like what soap is supposed to feel like-- as if conventional soap is trying to mimic the way natural lather feels.

I washed my hair and it lathered really well. Nothing much except for massage it in. It's when I rinsed it out that I felt the difference. It was very ... can I say squeaky? And rough.

Results
Body: Very clean and more moisturized than usual.

Face: I used to use Lush Babyface as a cleanser and the Amore Pacific line as moisturizers, toners, etc. But even though it was so expensive, it still felt like a film was being left over my face. As if there was moisture sitting on top but nothing actually going on with my skin. After washing with soap, it felt absolutely clean and purely like skin. Just skin. Slightly moist to the touch. I'll report back if it cures any pimples tomorrow.

Hair: I snapped a picture for you guys to see. It definitely gave a lot of body to it. And since I didn't detangle until after it dried my natural wave kicked in. It feel well moisturized but it still kinda squeaky at the same time. I have an old beauty tips guide from the 1950s and it says that hair is only clean if it squeaks when you run it through ur fingers. Is this what they were talking about? My only real complaint is that it tangles really easily even now that it's dry. I can't run my fingers through easily. But I think this is because of remaining buildup.

Here's a pic of the results of a first soap wash:


If I see changes after a week with my skin or hair I'll continue to post pics. Just cuz I think it might be helpful to other users so that they can brave up and take the soap plunge or decide its not for them.

Thanks again Eunbit for sharing ur experience!!




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Post icon  Posted 29 January 2009 - 12:29 AM

Some pressing questions.....

QUOTE (flowoftime @ Jan 27 2009, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
can someone please tell me if it is safe to do a pretty strong vinegar rinse, wash it out, and then iron when my hair is dry?
i did this 2 days ago and lost a bit of hair..more than normal
my mom said the vinegar burned my scalp and my hair is gonna fall out.. i dont really believe her but id like to know is it still damaging?


The vinegar rinse should in no way be burning your scalp, b/c it's a weak acid further diluted in water. (Strong bases are far more dangerous than acids to skin, b/c the damage to skin tissues goes unnoticed. If you're getting an acid burn, you'll feel it.)

How strong are your vinegar rinses? If you're using them to combat waxy hair/buildup, it would probably be gentler in general to use a weaker concentration consistently. But in the end, it's not the vinegar that'll get you, but ironing your hair.

Is it very damaging? Unfortunately, out of all the heat-styling methods, using a straightening iron is the most damaging to the hair's structure. And because you're ridding your hair of the chemical coating, the heat setting you used before may be even more damaging to your hair now.

I remember a previous post where you said that you do it once a week to keep your hair straight.
If you absolutely must straighten, try using the lowest setting, which will damage the hair less.

QUOTE (sweetl0ve @ Jan 27 2009, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
do you advice I still use
http://www.dermadoctor.com/product_DERMAdo...r-kit_2447.html
or
http://www.dermadoctor.com/product_AmLacti...-Cream_190.html
for my kp ? I have tried doing nothing for a year, but the condition does not get any better.

also what do you think about face mask?

Thank you so much!


Um, I know a lot of people who like AmLactin b/c of its relatively low pH, but using soap will help a lot in getting your skin healthy enough that most people don't need any lotion.

As for kp, I'll grant that it doesn't look very pretty, but if it's not painful or debilitating...
The difficult thing is, it's not possible to see what using a good olive-oil soap can do for you with simultaneous use of other products. If it's on your arms, maybe you can wear long-sleeves while just giving soap a try? To my knowledge, most of the products meant to treat kp don't achieve very much...

QUOTE (Maybelline Li @ Jan 28 2009, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
eunbit, you would reccomend any moisturizer with minimal products, right? well i was looking on goodguide.com to see ratings for products and i came across the moisturizer

http://www.jaimeearl.com/product_info.php?...4100abde80d7cb4

and would you suggest it? no spf though, i know moisturizer is not needed but i need something in the mean time due to harsh cold weather to keep my skin hydrated, im still looking for a good moisturizer w/ spf. thank you.

edit.

i've found a sunscreen, with what seems like minimal chemicals, http://allnaturalcosmetics.com/products.ph...=2&pl_id=15

i don't know yet if its lightweight and good for everyday wear.

also, is it bad if you swallow some of the soap while brushing your teeth? Just wondering lol, kinda annoying cause i just burped up bubbles LOL.


Have you started using soap yet? Because from my experience, and other Soompiers too, not needing to use lotion is a pretty quick transition. Good olive-oil soaps will also be slightly superfatted, so that the soap itself is moisturizing. In my opinion, the lotion you posted looks pricey and decked out, considering it's mostly shea butter...

The sunscreen looks ok; it looks like most of the spf factor comes from the zinc oxide. I'm not sure how stable/non-oily it is, but you will probably need to reapply pretty frequently on a sunny day.

I think you're using way too much soap right now, if bubbles are coming up afterwards x_x
For brushing teeth with soap, maybe it would help to treat it like how one's supposed to adjust headphone volume, which is starting from minimal (zero) to increasing until you can comfortably hear. Don't worry; brushing your teeth with soap more than once won't burn your mouth the way toothpaste does. Wet the bristles with water, lightly run (don't rub/press down) over the soap bar a few times, then brush with it. If it's not enough, it won't foam at all. Just keep brushing your teeth, then rinse, rinse your brush, and run it over the soap the same way. This time it should foam adequately, but not too much. There should not be so much foam that it fills your whole mouth, which would make it go up into the sinuses and be easily swallowed as well.

QUOTE (`rin_x @ Jan 28 2009, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This regime isn't working out so well for me. I managed to find a bar of Kirk's Castile soap. It contains Coconut soap, water, coconut oil, vegetable glycerin, and natural fragrance. Before this, my regime consisted of just Cetaphil and some sunblock. Now that I switched to this, my skin has become a lot redder. I think I had rosacea, but Cetaphil calmed it down before. But now, though my face looks better directly after the wash (my skin was already clear before, so I didn't have any acne to get rid of), a few minutes later, it would feel tight and dry and my skin would start to get hot and act up. My hair isn't so bad, so I'm willing to stick to the soap as shampoo. But I'm wavering a bit on whether or not I should stick to the soap for washing my face.
Can someone help me? Should I stick to this soap, a different version, or go back to my old regime? I think that even if my body returns things to its natural state, my face will still be inflamed.


I think the soap you're using is the problem. Coconut oils make for a good lather, but it's not as nourishing or as gentle as olive oil soap. The transition phrase may be uncomfortable, but it shouldn't be painful! o.o If it's that painful, it might not be a bad idea to go back to the Cetaphil temporarily until you can get a hold of an olive oil soap.

Also a bit strange was that coconut soap was included in the ingredients? I wonder if that means another manufactured soap was used during the manufacture of that one....In any case, the glycerin and 'natural fragrance' seem a bit iffy too. I'm glad you're willing to make the switch to soaps, but I do think that that one is not right for you. Please stop using it if it's hurting your skin sad.gif
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Posted 29 January 2009 - 06:54 AM

Eunbit--

I found this while looking for Olivia Care.

It says no animal ingredients, it's made with olive oil and it says you can use it for body and hair washing. However, I can't seem to find the actual ingredient list.

Plus, it's cheap. I think it would be good for us newbies to your suggested regimen to try out.

Just a thought. I couldn't find Olivia Care at Marshalls or TJ Maxx in my area.




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Posted 29 January 2009 - 10:23 AM

thanks, although i know ironing is bad i been doing it since i was 12(im 16 now)
it really isnt THAT damaging because my hair is thick,ethnic, strong.
over the years since i changed my shampoo its alot better. but it always turns out its the SHAMPOOS
and the CONDITIONERS that are most damaging to my hair.
im going no poo right now which is why i did a vinegar rinse to get the waxyness out from the soap.
even though hair looks fragile it is actually very strong and can wistand just about anything cept being
burned off.the heat from an iron ( which is anywhere from 200-475 degrees) isnt enough to burn it off unless you press it for like a minute.
il try to use a lower heat setting even though irons like CHI dont have one,and can get really hot.

i wish people wouldnt be so reliant on shampoo and conditioner, and that they actually read ingredients.
it sucks how people go to school for education yet they dont educate themselves about the things
they eat and use regularly. i see girls with shiny, perfect hair who wash it everyday when really its just
coated in a bunch of silicones and crap.


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Posted 29 January 2009 - 10:45 AM

is thre any safe shampoo out n about? .. i have sensitive scalps, i can only use shampoo with no perfumn.

I didn't know soap is good, because i heard it dry's our skin. Maybe i should try using soap. i brought olive oil soap from a herbal shop.
Open your eyes O_O ..
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