[2100549]

After watching the new trailer thingy, I wanna say the dubbing looks so freakin fake!!!!!!
And Yu Haoming's voice is making me almost barf...but other than that...im good =)

[hoistdacolors]

woah...I left China when I was 5 and I can read Chinese enough to get by. Am fluent too. Can't really understand how some of you can be 'kinda bad' at Chinese considering you attended primary in china o_O unless you totally tried to forget Chinese, and your parents didn't help too...Cos most ppl I know who came alittle later on to where I'm from are pretty fobby lol.

Personally...Anyone who's not born overseas SHOULD be fluent in their first language imo. so o_O

I gauge my fluency base on the degree of my knowledge of the Chinese lexicon. I am a biologist and when I talk to my relatives, I do sound like a retard trying to explain some of the technical stuff. (Trying to explain how cocaine works in the brain was quite hilarious.) You can be grammatically fluent but that doesn't mean you've master the language.

Furthermore, with the ever evolving internet lingo, youth jargon, incorporation of western words, difference in dialect...I can only humbly declare myself far from being fluent in Chinese.

And no, I don't think immigrants born in their native land should be fluent in their native language. Many factors come into play.

After watching the new trailer thingy, I wanna say the dubbing looks so freakin fake!!!!!!
And Yu Haoming's voice is making me almost barf...but other than that...im good =)

It's not as deep and old as I originally thought. Still meh. However good of voice actors they are, nothing beats the original ebb and flow of voice frequency and intensity. Their wealth of emotions are bury deep in that change. But what can we do? Wait another 2 months for the real actors to dubbed their own voices?

[2100549]

But what can we do? Wait another 2 months for the real actors to dubbed their own voices?

Surely dubbing doesn't take that long...But still I would rather wait 2 months for it to sound more real than the current version.

I heard people say that they're doing two dubbing versions. So will it air twice?
Are they going to try to air it in taiwan?

Sigh......Yu Haoming and Wei Chen got famous BECAUSE of their voices, and now theyre dubbing it...
words cannot describe what I feel

[brightlight]

woah...I left China when I was 5 and I can read Chinese enough to get by. Am fluent too. Can't really understand how some of you can be 'kinda bad' at Chinese considering you attended primary in china o_O unless you totally tried to forget Chinese, and your parents didn't help too...Cos most ppl I know who came alittle later on to where I'm from are pretty fobby lol.

Personally...Anyone who's not born overseas SHOULD be fluent in their first language imo. so o_O

Everyone is "kinda bad" at Chinese. I mean, I can enjoy the average Chinese book, and understand dramas, but there are plenty of nuances and details that I fail to capture. Chinese is a complicated and beautiful languages. There's so much to it that very few people can consider themselves "good" at Chinese.

And it's really the environment. I know plenty of people who grew up in a homogenous English-speaking environment after coming to the US (even some who came at 10), and then their parents speaks English to them to improve English, and they can't read Chinese at all. I was lucky because of my friends who also recently came to China and because of the collection of Chinese books our library had.


@julie
This drama has so many trailers...

[cfensi]

Everyone is "kinda bad" at Chinese. I mean, I can enjoy the average Chinese book, and understand dramas, but there are plenty of nuances and details that I fail to capture. Chinese is a complicated and beautiful languages. There's so much to it that very few people can consider themselves "good" at Chinese.

I would say "Da Shan" is good at Chinese. But even he probably can't explain the complexities of cocaine in the brain.

Yeah I know a lot of kids who came around age ten or so and can't even speak the language anymore because their parents kept speaking English to them. Mine tried that for a while.

[hoistdacolors]

So from there I slowly began to learn by myself, memorizing character painfully one by one, but it wasn't until Chinese entertainment + fast internet that I hit my stride in learning. This is why I feel it's silly for so many Chinese to use their time to be so kpop-hooked when Chinese entertainment is just as fun, and furthermore, can help one learn about their language and culture. I regret the time I spent in Kpop a lot. The people I used to like are disappointing me.

I thought Jerry Huang was so hot many years ago, in The Rose, but eh, he's gained a few pounds, is older, and I'm not really looking forward to him as much as I would be before. You can always watch him in Chinese Paladin 3. He seems to be on a mainland career track now.

I am not a cpop, kpop, or jpop tard. I just like good story telling. It doesn't matter what language, I will watch it. I think I understand the exact reason I never got into cdrama much. Their characters are too extreme; they are either extremely evil, extremely good, extremely naive, extremely cutesy....etc. Nobody is in the gray area. Nobody is pushed to decide against their morals because of uncontrollable circumstances. Nobody is evil but bears a conscience at the same time. I find these characters in Chinese cinema but not dramas.

I do like learning the Chinese language too but not through cpop, more through kids' books like 十万个为什么.

I still like Jerry Huang. Since he's so tall, even if he grows a couple more inches sideways, he will still look fit to me.

[cfensi]

I am not a cpop, kpop, or jpop tard. I just like good story telling. It doesn't matter what language, I will watch it. I think I understand the exact reason I never got into cdrama much. Their characters are too extreme; they are either extremely evil, extremely good, extremely naive, extremely cutesy....etc. Nobody is in the gray area. Nobody is pushed to decide against their morals because of uncontrollable circumstances. Nobody is evil but bears a conscience at the same time. I find these characters in Chinese cinema but not dramas.

I do like learning the Chinese language too but not through cpop, more through kids' books like 十万个为什么.

I still like Jerry Huang. Since he's so tall, even if he grows a couple more inches sideways, he will still look fit to me.

I wouldn't say C entertainment is better or worse than other entertainment, but there's enough good C entertainment to take up my time, and being Chinese, one who wants to learn the language and understand the culture more, I'd rather watch it. The problem is lack of large fandom...fandom makes things more fun.

Really? I find that Chinese drama has so many grey area characters, and almost never black and white. I actually felt that was one of the reasons it's not more popular...What series have you watched to make you come to that conclusion?

Shi Wan Ge Wei Shen Me was a favorite...although I find sometimes Chinese children's books have the odd complex word now and then.

[fireko]

Hm... I attended second grade in china before I came to the U.S.... And I was the type of student who got 100% on the end-of-the-year tests too... But now I can only read and type the very very very basic Chinese. And I can write almost nothing by hand beyond 'hello'. But my speaking and understanding is pretty good compared to my Chinese friends here... I tried to go to Chinese school but it doesn't really help since my speaking level is up in 11th grade but my writing and reading are down with the 3rd graders.

Ooh, I think I've read Shi Wang Ge Wei Shen Me before! But that was like when I was still in China... I probably can't read it now, unless there's pinyin in there too. I'm really good at pinyin. I can read it as fast as I talk, so usually with Chinese books I'm only limited to the little kid books that have pinyin on top.



anyways. wowww there are a lot of trailers. for the ppl who are uploading the drama (cfanboys?) once it airs on the 8th, how long does it take to get it uploaded on youtube? i'll be gone the weekend that it starts, so I won't have an opportunity to check until monday for the episode. or wait, do they air 4 episodes in one week??? that seems like a lot...

[STAR_x.]

Before being so awesome that she doesn't even act in dramas anymore, she starred in a drama called "Legend of the Condor Heroes," one of the most widely remade and popular TV series/books in Asia (8 direct remakes from HK/TW/Mainland, and even a Japanese anime of its sequel). She has a terrible raspy voice that did not fit her character at all. Her acting made her one of the best versions (and the author's favorite), but the voice ruined it for so many people. Even her fans agree that she should've been dubbed.

OHHH LOL. i get what youre saying now, hahah. i got confused cause i thought you were still talking about the actors in this drama (x but seriously, Zhang Han's voice sounds fine to me hahah D: it might not be super manly, but i dont think it needs to be dubbed. it's like hoistdacolors said, having the actors get dubbed kind of ruin the intensity of their acting ): cause dubbers can't imitate the emotions that the actors are letting out.
i really hope they'll change their minds about this :/

[hoistdacolors]

Trailers #453,258

http://tieba.baidu.com/%D3%E1%E5%B0%C3%F7/...d9be2c07b8e835/
introducing the 4 male lead.
http://tieba.baidu.com/%D3%E1%E5%B0%C3%F7/...b86ab928ed8035/
the first meeting of yuxun and yunhai
http://tieba.baidu.com/%D3%E1%E5%B0%C3%F7/...c0a7a42b84db34/
4 people 3 relationships.

http://tieba.baidu.com/%D3%E1%E5%B0%C3%F7/...c42ad9be2cef33/
I think I know how they form H4. Car racing!!!!! such an awesome clip!

[hoistdacolors]

Really? I find that Chinese drama has so many grey area characters, and almost never black and white. I actually felt that was one of the reasons it's not more popular...What series have you watched to make you come to that conclusion?

Wuxia always seems to have a good clan and a bad clan going against each other. The drama currently broadcasting on KTSF, Mou's Family, everyone's either cast in a negative light and the righteous light. A Moment in Peking, Vicki Zhou's character was too nice. She sacrificed for her sister and married a man that didn't like her. She withstood psychological abuse from her husband and his family and yet she's still so nice to them. The Queen and her maid in Princess returning pearls were just evil. FFS, She's the educated, civilized queen of the whole damn country. If she had an ounce of humanity, she wouldn't use sewing needles to torture someone. I am not saying these kind of people don't exist but the few dramas that I have seen, characters are too extreme and not very dynamic. They are either far too nice or far too evil. Further more the good guys always seem to be victimized. And the people doing the injustice always seem like they are just mean and nasty for the hell of it. There isn't any circumstantial reason except to add drama, to illicit a feeling of hatred for the bad guy and pity for the good guy from the viewers.

I guess I am looking for more subtlety. I mean my favorite movie of all time is Shawshank Redemption and they portray the triumph of the human spirit with very simplistic dialogue and no exaggeration of drama. Cdrama sometimes does have too much verbose dialogue and superfluous drama. The best Chinese director that I know that let the body language of actors, instead of words, to tell the story is Wong Kar Wai. And I think he only directs movies.

[fireko]

IDK if this was posted, but a video of them filming... not very long, but their uniforms do look darker than the pictures.

http://www.tudou.com/playlist/playindex.do...73494&cid=1

Wei Chen introduces his character: http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/EB3PkLSzi9Y

Haha, for one hopeful moment I saw on tudou a playlist with Yi Qi Lai Kan Liu Xing Yu as the title and 01, 02, 03...etc labeled after it and thought that somehow it was already online, but then it seemed like it was a mistake, since the show itself was actually another drama... with rainie yang in it.

[2100549]

http://tieba.baidu.com/%D3%E1%E5%B0%C3%F7/...c42ad9be2cef33/
I think I know how they form H4. Car racing!!!!! such an awesome clip!

That was my fave "trailer" out of the four. Ruiqian @ 0:50 was so cute. Love his hot pink jacket!
I was secretly hoping for a ruiqianXyuxun moment...but oh well.......
Plus, YHM's dubbing wasn't as strange in that vid.

Is it just me, or do the trailers remind you more and more of HYD?

[bluemonkey87]

lol Wei Chen looks tiny next to Jerry Huang, and he's not meant to be tiny at all.
Then again if you stood at 1.93m, anyone would look tiny in comparison.

[2100549]

New pictures of the cast on Tian Xia Nv Ren (Women of the World) - Can't stop laughing at the name:


Them singing "Let Me Sing A Song For You" Live (I hate it when they look at each other when they sing, it makes them look gay lol):
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/OH2lWEXbVck/
Random:
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/Ez7YhdkSu-o/
Short clip of the show (I found it a bit boring):
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/GNlCFWzbBYA/

[brightlight]

Wuxia always seems to have a good clan and a bad clan going against each other. The drama currently broadcasting on KTSF, Mou's Family, everyone's either cast in a negative light and the righteous light. A Moment in Peking, Vicki Zhou's character was too nice. She sacrificed for her sister and married a man that didn't like her. She withstood psychological abuse from her husband and his family and yet she's still so nice to them. The Queen and her maid in Princess returning pearls were just evil. FFS, She's the educated, civilized queen of the whole damn country. If she had an ounce of humanity, she wouldn't use sewing needles to torture someone. I am not saying these kind of people don't exist but the few dramas that I have seen, characters are too extreme and not very dynamic. They are either far too nice or far too evil. Further more the good guys always seem to be victimized. And the people doing the injustice always seem like they are just mean and nasty for the hell of it. There isn't any circumstantial reason except to add drama, to illicit a feeling of hatred for the bad guy and pity for the good guy from the viewers.

I guess I am looking for more subtlety. I mean my favorite movie of all time is Shawshank Redemption and they portray the triumph of the human spirit with very simplistic dialogue and no exaggeration of drama. Cdrama sometimes does have too much verbose dialogue and superfluous drama. The best Chinese director that I know that let the body language of actors, instead of words, to tell the story is Wong Kar Wai. And I think he only directs movies.

Vicki Zhao's dramas aren't wuxia. They're categorized into the "yan qing, or chic-flick romance" category. Qiong Yao is known as the queen of "yan qing," and she wrote Princess of Returning Pearl and Romance in the Rain.

If you want real wuxia, go for Jin Yong. Jin Yong begun with black and white, and then went grayer and grayer.

Take Semi-Gods Demi-Devils. There are three main characters. The first began as the symbol of righteousness, until he learned that his true heritage is that of an "evil race." and then everyone turns on him, and he kills a lot of good people in the run. HThe second is a playboy prince who chases behind the skirts of girls. Simple, sweet, but annoying and focusless. The third is a monk tricked into meat, alcohol and sex.

In the backdrop on people like A'zi. She uses people as toys, and will take out your eyes for fun. But she also loves her brother-in-law and would do anything for him. Or people like the third lead's mother. She steal's people's children and kills them, but only because her son was once stolen from her.

His last book's hero was a lying, selfish pimp.

[cfensi]

@hoistdacolors


I feel like you've had bad luck with dramas, which isn't hard, considering there's so many and some of the popular dramas are one-dimensional - why this is, I don't know. Romance in the Rain was one of them, Rouge Snow (with Fan Bingbing), The Last Princess. My drama watching is rather funny because I watched a lot when I was young then I got annoyed with dramas in general. So from what I remember, I may not know all the names of dramas..., but it never was black and white.

There was one idol drama about college students, and the perfect couple that broke apart because another guy who was married to her best friend, became infatuated offered her wealth and security. None of those characters were bw...

There was one period drama about a guy (rickshaw puller) who was pure, slowly, through his environment, and people who used him, got pushed to a point where he became almost without morals. And he ended up getting STDs. I wish I knew the name...the guy was kind of cute.

Xiang Wu Xiang Yu You Xiang Feng
I wouldn't say any of the characters are particularly likeable...

Fu Hua Bei Hou
Sun Honglei was the bad guy but he loved the main girl, and...I think that's where I first started liking him.

Of the ones I watched recently, I don't think any where one-dimensional or perfect either - like Soldier Sortie, Wo de Qin Chun Shei Zuo Zhu?, An Xiang, etc..

Our tastes might ranges ...I'm not the biggest Wong Karwai fan, and I enjoy well-written dialogue.

http://tieba.baidu.com/%D3%E1%E5%B0%C3%F7/...c42ad9be2cef33/
I think I know how they form H4. Car racing!!!!! such an awesome clip!

The dubbing sounds better here!

[hoistdacolors]

@brightlight

I hate wuxia. Ever since the invention of CGI, all I see is supernatural fighting. They barely have physical battles anymore.

I was only using Vicki's drama as an example of the dichotomy of characters in A moment in Peking. She was upright, wholesome, no flaws, exceptionally nice even when injustice was done to her. Again, not saying she, and along with thousands of these strong female characters don't exist in real life. Just saying that the victimization these nice female characters face in the shows are done by extreme characters who have no justification for their actions except for being mean and nasty. And how these women deal with these unfair circumstances is nothing short of glorification of their supremacy as an ideal person.

@cfensi

I think we do have very different tastes. Over the years, I have come to like a lot of foreign films with intricate character studies. (Lately, most of them comes from Eastern Europe.) Chinese film industry has no shortage of these films in any way. I watch dramas when I need something less serious, less psychological. But unfortunately, I am met with endless remakes of Jin Yong's novels and a drama industry that doesn't seem to have progress in terms of story telling. (Other things have advanced a lot, like costume design and cinematography.)

Maybe I need to stop watching stuff on KTSF. They are always showing these period dramas about internal strife within a family. Everyone's just calculative and greedy. People getting jip are always so nice and will forgive all wrongdoings.



Anyways...Like an earlier poster said: Zhang Han looks like Eita. They look like freaking twins. The smile, the ears, the sharp face.




credit to drama's mess tin.

[cfensi]

Maybe I need to stop watching stuff on KTSF. They are always showing these period dramas about internal strife within a family. Everyone's just calculative and greedy. People getting jip are always so nice and will forgive all wrongdoings.

I think you do...those seem to be a certain type catered to a certain viewer, that you're probably not.'

I think there's a lot of variety in Chinese drama...browse around.


I really dislike Wu Xia too...and the remakes. But there's still a lot more out there.



I think Zhang Han's the worst of the four in looks, but I think he's better looking than Eita tbh. He's somewhere between Matsuda Shota and Eita. Very Shota when wet...

[mintcracker]

OMG Weichen's that tall? 6 ft ain't that tall but I just mean woah, I thought he was like 175 or sth haha =X. Jerry Huang always looked mixed.

Trailers #453,258

http://tieba.baidu.com/%D3%E1%E5%B0%C3%F7/...d9be2c07b8e835/
introducing the 4 male lead.
http://tieba.baidu.com/%D3%E1%E5%B0%C3%F7/...b86ab928ed8035/
the first meeting of yuxun and yunhai
http://tieba.baidu.com/%D3%E1%E5%B0%C3%F7/...c0a7a42b84db34/
4 people 3 relationships.

http://tieba.baidu.com/%D3%E1%E5%B0%C3%F7/...c42ad9be2cef33/
I think I know how they form H4. Car racing!!!!! such an awesome clip!

hahaha how Yuxun and Yunhai met cracked me up. Cheesy and unrealistic but was funny ahahaha.