[kissez*]

Do you really thing oprah have not influenced this big names in music industry to manage charice career?
Do you really think charice will only appear in oprah because in your comments, you are concentrating on oprah viewers? you can`t just appear on TV if you dont have anything to promote yet right, wait till her album, movie will launch and you can see oprah influence in TV industry where oprah excel at.

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Anyway, did BoA's album drop and then sink like a stone the way the majority of us predicted it would?

whats with the hate with charice and boa, you can just support them or just leave them alone.

I don't hate Charice or Boa - as a matter of fact, I nothing them.
Just stating the truth.
If you guys believe that with Oprah's influence alone then Charice will be moving units then sure, keep thinking that way.
Connections aren't everything btw, there are so many different things that factor in but you guys somehow think that Charice is already guaranteed a hit album mainly because she has influential backers.
I've heard Fingerprint and I've got to say that it's a very mediocre song.
It's not as bad as BoA's "Eat You Up" but not exponentially better either.
I've said good luck to all these artists already and as an Asian-American, sure I wouldn't mind if any of them succeeded. But from what I've heard so far - musically, I don't feel as though any of them are bringing anything new and refreshing to the table.

[zeidrich]

I don't hate Charice or Boa - as a matter of fact, I nothing them.
Just stating the truth.

- you said fact and stating the truth but what you are saying are your own personal opinion, your own opinion is not a fact nor is the truth

If you guys believe that with Oprah's influence alone then Charice will be moving units then sure, keep thinking that way.

- oprah, DF, warner brothers. yah oprah is alone

Connections aren't everything btw, there are so many different things that factor in but you guys somehow think that Charice is already guaranteed a hit album mainly because she has influential backers.

- you said oprah is alone a while ago, so you need to delete the s in backers to make it singular, right?. connection is not everything, you also need talent which she both have. But connection is a big factor even without talent, look at miley and the disney kids. And no one is saying its a guaranteed success.

I've heard Fingerprint and I've got to say that it's a very mediocre song.
It's not as bad as BoA's "Eat You Up" but not exponentially better either.

- i respect your own opinion, damn if fingerprint is very mediocre song, and its not as bad as eat you up, then eat you up is a very very mediocore song in your own opinion, wow, maybe you are in pain and suffering while hearing this songs. and eat you up is one of boa`s best, so can you describe her other songs? im really curious.

I've said good luck to all these artists already and as an Asian-American, sure I wouldn't mind if any of them succeeded. But from what I've heard so far - musically, I don't feel as though any of them are bringing anything new and refreshing to the table.

- its much better if you just leave them alone rather than say ,"good luck with your new album and your very very mediocore songs"

[kensamor]

Zhang Liang Yi who won 3rd place in China's Supergirl competition and is now very very famous in China also has a phenomenal voice. She also has a story that can sell - they told it on the show - all the adversities, etc. And it was definitely a great selling point. I believe that she's more popular and famous now than the 1st and 2nd place winners from the show.

That is what it is supposed to be. She has a great team. One of the reasons she is so successful! My point was that there are many people before her who have had the talent as well and have tried to open the door, etc. But they probably didn't have the team behind them like Charice does.

Tons of people have great singing talent. Getting the publicity and to be noticed to break in is a different story. Charice is lucky to have people behind her who can help.

Jane Zhang was only third placer? Oh wait, I think I saw that competition on YouTube but I thought she won. Okey, wait a minute...why is it that the runner-ups are better than the winners and eventually became bigger? Charice was also third placer, Jennifer Hudson was what...4th place? Kyu Hyun of Super Junior was also a runner up, right?

Back to topic. I guess, we agree that promotion and publicity is huge factor in making someone big. All of the talents mentioned here have all the right to be stars in Hollywood (heck, even the likes of Paris Hilton can make it big there), it's just a matter of WHO are willing to "gamble" and spend big bucks to make them stars.

Anyway, I've been following Charice's career since her Star King stint for some reason she's getting the right connections from day one. When she was invited by Ellen, she almost didn't make it because normally, it takes several weeks to get a US tourist visa but she got it almost instantly with the help of her lawyer, Ed Shapiro (an entertainment lawyer based in NY). I was like....wait a minute, she has an entertainment lawyer representing her in the US....already? She probably didn't even have her own bank account at that time. And she said she met with David Foster after guesting in Ellen. Well, it's not like she just bumped into DF and he said "hey, let me show you around!. I'll have a private plane and I'll take you with, then we'll watch Celine Dion's concert". That doesn't happen just like that. I remember DF said that it his sister and someone from WB sent him a link of Charice singing, just minutes in between. Ellen's show is with Warner Brothers so, has that something to do with the guesting? Recently, DF said that he guarantees that Charice will be a big star in a year. Such a bold statement if your marketing an unknown Asian. In an interview that I read, he also said that a lot of people thought that you can be a big star via YouTube and MySpace, truth is someone has to spend millions to make that a reality. True, Charice might be a YouTube sensation but if no one is willing to to spend huge amount of money to get publicity and exposure, she's just going to be just a YouTube sensation. A couple of months ago, Fox's Lips and Ears predicted that Charice will be a big star in 2009 along with Kate Winslet and that guy from Twilight. Well, those two already had at least a hit movie and Charice's got...? Her album is not even out yet! I guess we all know that in the entertainment business, there's this thing called "payola". TV stations are paid to "advertise" products and talents. Radio stations are paid to play certain songs in exchange for money. They hire publicists for promotion. I won't be surprised that that Fox News segment is a part of publicity, to create awareness and persuade people to think she'll be the next big thing. The other day, I heard that Charice is going to do a Hollywood film which happens to be under what studio? I mean, I know Charice auditioned for the role (not a big role though, she said) but...already? Lots of aspiring actors took years just to get a small role in a movie and why does it sound like this one landed on her lap just like that. Bottomline: IT'S ALL ABOUT CONNECTIONS!

[the sweetest prince]

I dont think any one of them will make it big. Asians dont have as much of a musical culture in America as Black people or Hispanics.

[dcrux]

kensamor: Man, you are not giving Charice any due credit. Ellen is known to invite virtual unknowns from youtube who she believes are talented and worthy to be on her show. That show may be under Warner Brothers but that's just a coincidence. FYI, Charice didn't just meet with David Foster from WB before he took her under his wings, she also had meetings with Clive Davis from Arista and P.Diddy from Bad Boy Records. Is it so hard to believe that Liz Smith of Fox News probably just happens to believe that Charice will be the next thing in music because of her talent and the buzz that she's received in the US? Charice has gotten some media all around the world like in France, Thailand, England, Netherlands, Japan. Are those payola, too? You'd think the movie should be under Warner Brothers since that's Charice's label, but it's under 20th Century Fox. If there's payola that's going to happen, that will happen after the album is released to get songs on the radio.

[kensamor]

kensamor: Man, you are not giving Charice any due credit. Ellen is known to invite virtual unknowns from youtube who she believes are talented and worthy to be on her show. That show may be under Warner Brothers but that's just a coincidence. FYI, Charice didn't just meet with David Foster from WB before he took her under his wings, she also had meetings with Clive Davis from Arista and P.Diddy from Bad Boy Records. Is it so hard to believe that Liz Smith of Fox News probably just happens to believe that Charice will be the next thing in music because of her talent and the buzz that she's received in the US? Charice has gotten some media all around the world like in France, Thailand, England, Netherlands, Japan. Are those payola, too? You'd think the movie should be under Warner Brothers since that's Charice's label, but it's under 20th Century Fox. If there's payola that's going to happen, that will happen after the album is released.

You don't understand what I was trying to say but I won't explain it to you. You totally didn't get the whole thing.

[JiNi;]

Are we just talking about "east" Asians here? Cuz M.I.A and that famous "JAI HO" song from Slumdog millionare has done well in Hollywood.

wait nvm this is talking about asians not originally from US or Europe. /:

eh on a related note..

I still don't see BoA's cd in stores.. ;;
And I still hear Utada's song on the radio.

[kissez*]

- you said fact and stating the truth but what you are saying are your own personal opinion, your own opinion is not a fact nor is the truth

- oprah, DF, warner brothers. yah oprah is alone

Am I stating the truth of whether or not BoA's album is considered a flop?
I don't know - why don't you provide the numbers of her record sales and prove me wrong?
Because from what I'm seeing (absence of promo, radioplay), there is a high probability that her first U.S. album is going to tank.

- you said oprah is alone a while ago, so you need to delete the s in backers to make it singular, right?. connection is not everything, you also need talent which she both have. But connection is a big factor even without talent, look at miley and the disney kids. And no one is saying its a guaranteed success.

You guys are acting as though it is a guaranteed success.
And yes, I did refer to Oprah in the singular sense in my original post - again, that was a direct reply to post that pertained to her and her alone.
What about Miley and the other Disney kids? Miley Cyrus - the one who has a hit TV show? lol
What about the other Disney kids who aren't as famous/popular? They're still backed by Disney - why aren't they a household name like Miley?
Connection, talent - all that jazz still means next to nothing.
I think this was mentioned before but look at recent album sales and big name artists who failed to deliver platinum selling albums. The American music industry is very fickle.

- i respect your own opinion, damn if fingerprint is very mediocre song, and its not as bad as eat you up, then eat you up is a very very mediocore song in your own opinion, wow, maybe you are in pain and suffering while hearing this songs. and eat you up is one of boa`s best, so can you describe her other songs? im really curious.

- its much better if you just leave them alone rather than say ,"good luck with your new album and your very very mediocore songs"

Yeah, my ears started bleeding when the chorus of Eat You Up played rofl
Especially that yum, yum part.
Maybe you think that Eat You Up is one of BoA's best singles and that's fine and dandy but that's your opinion and definitely not mine.
And why should I just 'leave them alone'? Because I'm not gushing and oozing with support and sugar coating my opinions? Their songs are mediocre - why shouldn't I tell it like it is? You think these artists are surrounded by people who just nod their heads and tell them each and everytime that what they're producing is gold?
I highly doubt that.

[zeidrich]

Am I stating the truth of whether or not BoA's album is considered a flop?
I don't know - why don't you provide the numbers of her record sales and prove me wrong?
Because from what I'm seeing (absence of promo, radioplay), there is a high probability that her first U.S. album is going to tank.

did the flop thing is the only thing you said?, how about the 10 other things before that and after that. you have a short memory .

What about the other Disney kids who aren't as famous/popular? They're still backed by Disney - why aren't they a household name like Miley?

Disney is the pinnacle of a very very good connection nowadays,now you know that connections are important, because disney can provide TV shows, etc,etc,etc. a normal talent can make it big by just having a good connection in the industry, you can also not get any radio plays with no connection.

And why should I just 'leave them alone'? Because I'm not gushing and oozing with support and sugar coating my opinions? Their songs are mediocre - why shouldn't I tell it like it is? You think these artists are surrounded by people who just nod their heads and tell them each and everytime that what they're producing is gold?

theres a difference in giving a nod and leaving them alone, maybe you can give a opinion on there songs that they have produce but also discredeting their backers, like oprah, DF. Her fans are only 50? im 24 btw.

i think you are more emphasazing on using your boa comments w/c i dont no why because i thought we are concentrating about "oprah and connections in american business part" w/c boa is lacking but im just answering your comments about OPRAH AND FANBASE discredeting that you are doing, pls focus on that one if you will reply again so that we can fully understand each other. because its just like,
me: how old is charice?
you: boa is 22
me: ic, so do you agree charice have connections?
you: boa is a flop
So with Boa in what you said is a flop, it strengthen the argument that connection in the music business is really important to succeed right?

[rentrule]

i agree with JIN
are people just talking about east asia because JAI ho song climb to number 15 on the billboard chart and the album peak at number 4

[zeidrich]

i agree with JIN
are people just talking about east asia because JAI ho song climb to number 15 on the billboard chart and the album peak at number 4

good for them, im really not familiar with JAI ho song but its pretty obvious that it will hit the chart because slumdog millionair take all the awards and created a big buzz

[tian`tian]

i agree with JIN
are people just talking about east asia because JAI ho song climb to number 15 on the billboard chart and the album peak at number 4

I'm not familiar with the JAI HO song, but isn't the "popular" version being performed by Pussycat Dolls? Is there an original version by Indian artists?

This thread is also more about Asian artists, not just particular songs.

[thenshexsays]

I'm not familiar with the JAI HO song, but isn't the "popular" version being performed by Pussycat Dolls? Is there an original version by Indian artists?

This thread is also more about Asian artists, not just particular songs.

The original version is the dance number featured at the end of the movie, and is also on the OST. Most of my friends who are obsessed with that movie didn't have any idea that the Pussycat Dolls even made a cover of that song before I told them.

Back on topic, though, I am interested in seeing how SE7EN handles his promotions now. Utada put out a really interesting album, and I actually like BoA's English songs a lot. I have no opinion on Charice - I didn't even know she existed before this thread. Her one song Fingerprint is pretty cheesy and mediocre, but she does have a ton of connections, so who knows?

[kissez*]

did the flop thing is the only thing you said?, how about the 10 other things before that and after that. you have a short memory .

What ten other things? Are you talking about what I said about Oprah? Because I've already addressed that

Disney is the pinnacle of a very very good connection nowadays,now you know that connections are important, because disney can provide TV shows, etc,etc,etc. a normal talent can make it big by just having a good connection in the industry, you can also not get any radio plays with no connection.

Thanks, I already knew that.
You're missing the point though. I stated that even with a strong backer like Disney, many of their stars fall through the cracks. Having great connections plays a role in breaking into the entertainment industry sure, but other things factor in such as timing, promotion, mass appeal, and in some cases - crazy good luck.

theres a difference in giving a nod and leaving them alone, maybe you can give a opinion on there songs that they have produce but also discredeting their backers, like oprah, DF. Her fans are only 50? im 24 btw.

I provided statistical evidence that the majority of Oprah's fans were well over the age of 50.
Seeing as though that earlier post of mine is what you got your panties in a twist, maybe I need to further clarify things for you -

Here is the post I was answering :

You doubt the prowess of Oprah?

She might be unknown to teenagers, but she's known to adults who have the money to buy her things

Again, statistically - a substantial percentage of Oprah fans are over 50.
So no, I don't see that large percentage of fans purchasing Charice's cd - especially after hearing Fingerprint and getting a glimpse of what the rest of her album might sound like.

i think you are more emphasazing on using your boa comments w/c i dont no why because i thought we are concentrating about "oprah and connections in american business part" w/c boa is lacking but im just answering your comments about OPRAH AND FANBASE discredeting that you are doing, pls focus on that one if you will reply again so that we can fully understand each other. because its just like,
me: how old is charice?
you: boa is 22
me: ic, so do you agree charice have connections?
you: boa is a flop
So with Boa in what you said is a flop, it strengthen the argument that connection in the music business is really important to succeed right?

You are disregarding that there are other things aside from connections and talent to make it in the industry.
I am reminding you of these things.
Don't you think P.Diddy has connections? Mariah Carey? Brandy? Janet Jackson? MICHAEL Jackson?
Are they still selling albums out the wazoo?

I have clearly addressed everything you brought to my attention.
I didn't want to sound repetitive but I guess some people just don't get it the first time.

Oprah basically has zero influence over the music industry

If you guys believe that with Oprah's influence alone then Charice will be moving units then sure, keep thinking that way.
Connections aren't everything btw, there are so many different things that factor in but you guys somehow think that Charice is already guaranteed a hit album mainly because she has influential backers.

Connection, talent - all that jazz still means next to nothing.
I think this was mentioned before but look at recent album sales and big name artists who failed to deliver platinum selling albums. The American music industry is very fickle.

I've never mentioned anything about David Foster by the way.

[aly*]

Back on topic, though, I am interested in seeing how SE7EN handles his promotions now.

Well as a fan, I've been disappointed with how Red Queen Media have been managing everything for the past 2 years.
Before they seem to lack a little professionalism. We used to notice little stupid mistakes from what they've done (websites to whatever else, etc).
((I still noticed a spelling error for his NYC Circle Club promotion poster, lol))
RQM is new company, I feel like they have Se7en as their gunuiea pig. xP
But now, hopefully they're improving and things seem to look a little better... but then, it's still too early to say. :x

[Angelmycle]

Oprah basically has zero influence over the music industry
Instead of taking my comment out of context, maybe you should refer to whom or what I was addressing.

Oprah may not have influence "over" the music industry, but she sure does *influence* the sales...

Oprah Winfrey gives Josh Groban a big boost - After appearing on her show, he sees 'Noel's' sales rise 81% to finish the week at No. 1.

By Todd Martens
November 29, 2007

Josh Groban's holiday effort "Noel" had already spent six weeks on the U.S. pop album chart, but all it took was one afternoon on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" to propel it to the top. Sales of "Noel" are up 81% over last week, to 405,000 copies.

Josh Groban's "Noel" ended up being a close second to Alicia Keys album as Best Selling Album of 2008...Oprah pretty much guarantees Charice's album in the Billboard charts...

[kissez*]

Oprah may not have influence "over" the music industry, but she sure does *influence* the sales...

Oprah Winfrey gives Josh Groban a big boost - After appearing on her show, he sees 'Noel's' sales rise 81% to finish the week at No. 1.

By Todd Martens
November 29, 2007

Josh Groban's holiday effort "Noel" had already spent six weeks on the U.S. pop album chart, but all it took was one afternoon on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" to propel it to the top. Sales of "Noel" are up 81% over last week, to 405,000 copies.

Josh Groban's "Noel" ended up being a close second to Alicia Keys album as Best Selling Album of 2008...Oprah pretty much guarantees Charice's album in the Billboard charts...

Dude, that album went 3 times platinum in the first 11 weeks following it's release.
Oprah might've given him a slight nudge but a) it was a good album to begin with and b ) he probably appeals to that audience musically
Classical Christmas albums, woot.

[zeidrich]

Oprah basically has zero influence over the music industry

Dude, that album went 3 times platinum in the first 11 weeks following it's release.
Oprah might've given him a slight nudge but a) it was a good album to begin with and b ) he probably appeals to that audience musically
Classical Christmas albums, woot.

so the guesting affected the sales, yes or no? so 0 influence is wrong or not?
why would stars wants to guest in oprah if it will not affect in any way for their album anyways

So no, I don't see that large percentage of fans purchasing Charice's cd - especially after hearing Fingerprint and getting a glimpse of what the rest of her album might sound like.

opinion again, for me its a good song, maybe you are one of the 50+, thats why it doesnt appeal to you, And giving an opinion to the songs that you havent heard is really making me laugh so hard. So you already got a glimpse on the rest of her album even if they havent recorded it yet, NICE.

L I N K
its a mix of britney and celine music btw, its what David Foster said, ill trust him, a 15 time grammy winner rather than errr a you at any day of the week. BTW, pls listen to it because David Foster, a 15 time grammy winner, also said that Oprah will do everything in her power to make charice a star. And one more thing, the radio announcer is the ones who ask 1st of charice, not DF

[kissez*]

so the guesting affected the sales, yes or no? so 0 influence is wrong or not?
why would stars wants to guest in oprah if it will not affect in any way for their album anyways

Of course celebs book spots on talkshows for exposure.
But if you're implying that any artist who guests on Oprah is suddenly going to shoot to stardom then you're mistaken.

opinion again, for me its a good song, maybe you are one of the 50+, thats why it doesnt appeal to you, And giving an opinion to the songs that you havent heard is really making me laugh so hard. So you already got a glimpse on the rest of her album even if they havent recorded it yet, NICE.

No, you are misinterpreting what I wrote.
A title track gives you an idea of what the rest of the album may sound like and right now all I'm hearing is generic mainstream pop. And I don't doubt that her album will be just that - generic mainstream pop lol.
What a milestone, huh?

L I N K
its a mix of britney and celine music btw, its what David Foster said, ill trust him, a 15 time grammy winner rather than errr a you at any day of the week. BTW, pls listen to it because David Foster, a 15 time grammy winner, also said that Oprah will do everything in her power to make charice a star. And one more thing, the radio announcer is the ones who ask 1st of charice, not DF

I never asked you to 'trust' me or tried in any way to force my opinion on you.
The over hyping of an artist usually leads to their downfall anyway. And besides - all of this is just speculation.
If you're so certain that Charice is guaranteed success then kudos to you.
Weird, grammy winning David Foster is producing Heidi Montag as well. Guess he really does have an eye for talent

[LykItOrNot]

so the guesting affected the sales, yes or no? so 0 influence is wrong or not?
why would stars wants to guest in oprah if it will not affect in any way for their album anyways


opinion again, for me its a good song, maybe you are one of the 50+, thats why it doesnt appeal to you, And giving an opinion to the songs that you havent heard is really making me laugh so hard. So you already got a glimpse on the rest of her album even if they havent recorded it yet, NICE.

L I N K
its a mix of britney and celine music btw, its what David Foster said, ill trust him, a 15 time grammy winner rather than errr a you at any day of the week. BTW, pls listen to it because David Foster, a 15 time grammy winner, also said that Oprah will do everything in her power to make charice a star. And one more thing, the radio announcer is the ones who ask 1st of charice, not DF

Dude, you are wasting your time with this person. Sure he's good for a laugh, but his narrow-mindedness (or maybe he's blind, jealous or hating) is just too much ROFL.
I bet you, he'll come up with something more ridiculous about that interview with Mr. DF lol. I wont even read anything about this person's "funny" posts from now on, and yeah, I will not even entertain any of his replies (if any). Just an advice, I hope you don't mind