[Marilori]

You think we should support a group with no talent just so it would be easier for talented asians to make it in the states?? plz it's already hard for talented americans to make it in their own country. I will not support packaged groups who are not true to the game, because they are in the way of people who are truly talented.

Don't get me wrong, you can support a group without having to like them. It's not being a hardcore fan, but supporting their effort to try and debut in the states.
American artist don't get the support they need because many fans are usually more into songs that appeal to the masses. And we all know what type of music that is.
I'm sorry but I love many American artist who you will never see on charts or hear on z100 who are more talented than many of the people you guys would consider talented.

You don't have to be bitter about everyone in the industry, because they all have something to offer. And entertainer is there to entertain, if they enjoy creating the music they produce, and are grateful for what their fans have given them, I see nothing wrong with that. You can't tell me you know who is true to their game if you don't know them. And I'm not just talking About WGs here, I'm talking in general, if you don't like a certain group because of their style, does that mean that they have no sort of dedication to their job? BS if you ask me.

[LucasBunny]

Don't get me wrong, you can support a group without having to like them. It's not being a hardcore fan, but supporting their effort to try and debut in the states.
American artist don't get the support they need because many fans are usually more into songs that appeal to the masses. And we all know what type of music that is.
I'm sorry but I love many American artist who you will never see on charts or hear on z100 who are more talented than many of the people you guys would consider talented.

You don't have to be bitter about everyone in the industry, because they all have something to offer. And entertainer is there to entertain, if they enjoy creating the music they produce, and are grateful for what their fans have given them, I see nothing wrong with that. You can't tell me you know who is true to their game if you don't know them. And I'm not just talking About WGs here, I'm talking in general, if you don't like a certain group because of their style, does that mean that they have no sort of dedication to their job? BS if you ask me.

NO!

Why would I support someone who doesnt deserve the fame?

and don't start with the "americans only like certain music" its happening all over the world and Korea is one of the main countries where it doesnt pay to be talented but it pays to have the looks,which is why I can't stand the music industry. Anyone can pick up a mic and say "I'm a singer" make a half ass song and get recognition for it.

[Tonyc402]

NO!

Why would I support someone who doesnt deserve the fame?

and don't start with the "americans only like certain music" its happening all over the world and Korea is one of the main countries where it doesnt pay to be talented but it pays to have the looks,which is why I can't stand the music industry. Anyone can pick up a mic and say "I'm a singer" make a half ass song and get recognition for it.

I pretty much agree with this because in Korean music industry right now it is flooded with boybands and girlbands .Groups like WG, SNSD, Xing, Super Junior, 2PM, 2AM,2NE1 etc.. dont have that raw talent . Entertainment corporations know that as long as these kids are trained and have good looks and get some really good choreographer to help them dance , then its an automatic money maker for them because they know fangirls will go for it since they are well packaged.

[helix843]

I pretty much agree with this because in Korean music industry right now it is flooded with boybands and girlbands .Groups like WG, SNSD, Xing, Super Junior, 2PM, 2AM,2NE1 etc.. dont have that raw talent . Entertainment corporations know that as long as these kids are trained and have good looks and get some really good choreographer to help them dance , then its an automatic money maker for them because they know fangirls will go for it since they are well packaged.

Ummm no it's not. Did you just forget that Soompi is the mecca of idol group worship for english speakers? where people put up icons and sigs of their favorite members and read fanfics about them. absolute wrong forum buddy if you're trying to get away from that. what's hot in soompi doesn't correlate with the real world.

but props to you for naming all those pop singers. That's more than I know.

[LazyAzian]

Well Charice doesn't' even have her own original songs yet, and many other artists cover other songs before their album debuts.

For example, before BoA's first ever album came out BoA was always singing Seo Taiji, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, and Whitney Houston.

Charice's album is slated to be released around September.

We can't really see her outcome yet until her promotion, songs, album and music videos come out.

I do give you a hint that David Foster and Charice are aiming for the Grammies, plus she has a Hollywood movie coming out.

[Jaely]

i don't think boa, wondergirls, bi, seven, etc will succeed in the U.S. ... imo these asian singers need to bring something new to the table in order to get recognized. there's nothing original in boa's latest singles... as for wondergirls, girl groups were never popular in the U.S. and boy bands are long gone and old, so i doubt wg will impact the american industry.

as for charico or w/e her name is... i heard her sing from youtube and although there's no denying that she could sing... all she does is covers and mimic others. i don't find her voice unique or amazing. and anything oprah promotes, i shy away from it. good luck to her, though.

well your an idiot.
girl groups were NEVER popular int he u.s ?
hm lets see...destiny's child , pussycat dolls
they are girl groups correct ? & they've made some major success
as for CHARICE, she's starting out & promoting herself by doing covers,
who said she isn't working on her own songs ?
she has such a powerful voice for such a young girl ,
she has more talent than some of these half assed people
so i wouldn't be talkin.

[Marilori]

NO!

Why would I support someone who doesnt deserve the fame?

and don't start with the "americans only like certain music" its happening all over the world and Korea is one of the main countries where it doesnt pay to be talented but it pays to have the looks,which is why I can't stand the music industry. Anyone can pick up a mic and say "I'm a singer" make a half ass song and get recognition for it.

Where the heck would you gather that I would say that Americans only like certain music? Did I not say that people have their favorite artists and favorite music, but those who make it famous are typical mainstream? Maybe you should re-read my post. And yes the Korean Music industry right now is not the best, never mentioned it was. Those who have actual singing talent get outshined by millions of groups. But I'm sorry to let you know that even within those so called talentless groups, you'll always find individuals who do truly have the passion and talent for the music industry. Unfortunately what sells in Korea isn't beneficial for most who want to go solo.

And there's a difference between calling yourself a singer
or calling yourself an entertainer. While a singer can do both jobs, an entertainer can choose to do many different talents to be recognized.
I don't think you are realizing that the music industry is limited, you're limiting it yourself.

I've come across great artist who all wanted to be famous in America, but guess what? the price of fame is different for everyone. We're not going to have anymore sensations like Michael Jackson, or Mariah Carey who can sell just about anything. You know why? Because people aren't interested anymore, the percentage in CDs being sold is going down, most artist nowadays rely solely on digital sales, and you can see how that's doing. As long as these people make new fans, can appease many types of audiences then they have reached a form of fame.

It shouldn't be who can make it big, it should be about what type and how famous they want to be.

[bystander]

^She does make a point.
Even top vocalist Mariah Carey had to skank it up a notch to make her music interesting & for people to pay attention to her... remember the days when she didn't have to show her cleavage?
People will like what they like... no matter how random it may be to some of us. ><

I mean, even Madonna isn't musically talented, but she entertained people...
Miley Cyrus & the Jonas Brothers... [shudders]

But I don't know, whatever... Asians can keep trying... ><

[LucasBunny]

Where the heck would you gather that I would say that Americans only like certain music? Did I not say that people have their favorite artists and favorite music, but those who make it famous are typical mainstream? Maybe you should re-read my post. And yes the Korean Music industry right now is not the best, never mentioned it was. Those who have actual singing talent get outshined by millions of groups. But I'm sorry to let you know that even within those so called talentless groups, you'll always find individuals who do truly have the passion and talent for the music industry. Unfortunately what sells in Korea isn't beneficial for most who want to go solo.

And there's a difference between calling yourself a singer
or calling yourself an entertainer. While a singer can do both jobs, an entertainer can choose to do many different talents to be recognized.
I don't think you are realizing that the music industry is limited, you're limiting it yourself.

I've come across great artist who all wanted to be famous in America, but guess what? the price of fame is different for everyone. We're not going to have anymore sensations like Michael Jackson, or Mariah Carey who can sell just about anything. You know why? Because people aren't interested anymore, the percentage in CDs being sold is going down, most artist nowadays rely solely on digital sales, and you can see how that's doing. As long as these people make new fans, can appease many types of audiences then they have reached a form of fame.

It shouldn't be who can make it big, it should be about what type and how famous they want to be.

It's true most of them are typical mainstream, but atleast in the states there are more than enough mainstream artists with actual talent and get the credit they deserve, like Lady Gaga, Christina Aguilara, Beyonce, Mary J Blige, Josh Groban, Keri Hilson etc etc and atleast the US has alot of legends that can back up their industry. But in Korea there arent many mainstream artists with talent, most of them rely on auto tune, half ass choreography and they are just a package and nothing more. Look at Black Pearl and SNSD, look at Se7en and DBSK, Hyori and Gummy it's amazing thank god for people like Brian,Hwanhee, Se7en,Rain, who can save the day.

It's sad that people don't enjoy people with TALENT , this isnt directed towards you
and please don't think I'm trying to put my county on a high pedastel.

The music industry is going to continue to suck because people condone garbage.

[Kenneth Keel]

omg I saw Charice singing in Italy singing Andrea Bocelli's song. not to mention "the Prayer" is one of my all time favorites! swoons~

It's true most of them are typical mainstream, but atleast in the states there are more than enough mainstream artists with actual talent and get the credit they deserve, like Lady Gaga, Christina Aguilara, Beyonce, Mary J Blige, Josh Groban, Keri Hilson etc etc and atleast the US has alot of legends that can back up their industry. But in Korea there arent many mainstream artists with talent, most of them rely on auto tune, half ass choreography and they are just a package and nothing more. Look at Black Pearl and SNSD, look at Se7en and DBSK, Hyori and Gummy it's amazing thank god for people like Brian,Hwanhee, Se7en,Rain, who can save the day.

Uhhh you basically described the American music industry.
That's such a stupid argument btw, just naming your list of "talented" artists. (josh groban sucks)
have you ever thought that maybe you don't know jack about the music industry OTHER than in the US
and that's why you can only name a such a pitiful handful?

ugh typical American arrogance.

[koreangirl143]

CHARICE. although boa and rain's famous already; charice has really been the first among them which was noticed by hollywood, david foster is backing her up , and as you can see from the pictures, hehe

[dramaprincessxox]

I'm sorry, but to start with, not one of those people even LOOKS good enough, so they won't make it. Why do I get the feeling that Asia is sending its worst instead of its very best? For example: come on, I've seen a few Korean female stars. How can Lee Sooman stand straight-faced and call BoA "Best of Asia" ?!

Maybe my opinions might get some die-hard fans really angry, but please try to avoid getting worked up and replying without objectively reading my entire post.

Lee Hyori should have been sent instead of BoA. Hyori is much more attractive and has the attitude. BoA strikes me as pale/mild, weak and lacking energy. She's got no spunk, she's not pretty either, her figure is non-existent and she definitely can't sing. Unfortunately, she fits a negative stereotype about some Asian women where she looks as though she should be kneeling in front of a tea-table in traditional garb, not performing on a stage.

And that's just one example...I also know that Se7en won't make it, but out of all of them, I admire his efforts the most.

I'm just being honest, that's what I see when I look at their pictures and music videos. Since I'm not a fan of anyone there, I didn't sugarcoat anything but I don't mean to offend any fans. Anyway, now is the best time for any culture to try their luck in Hollywood. So, there may be failure now, but people can always try again with different singers.

[zeidrich]

what about TVXQ/DBSK, i think if they will debut, they have a higher chance than some of the asian artist.

im not a fan of them but for some reasons, i bumped to their songs hahahaha.
onepiece is my favorite anime and i just learned that TVXQ/DBSK sing "we are" remix and new opening "share the world" is their song.
Also their 1 song from TVXQ/DBSK is featured in Fast and the Furious 4, i dont know the name.



As for charice, she can be compared to the contestants on American Idol, singing covers for promotions, the only difference is that she is doing it exceptionally well. and Charice is in demand nowadays and being invited to popular UK,Italy,Us shows but i will not spill it because its still rumors.

[aly*]

what about TVXQ/DBSK, i think if they will debut, they have a higher chance than some of the asian artist.

Please leave TVXQ out of this topic.
Many of their fans (such as myself) would not want them to debut in America, because we know the very high chances of them being ridiculed. Their style is not appealing to Americans.
Yes they're talented, but they're better off reigning in Asia.
So please do not include them in this conversation ESPECIALLY when they're definitely not planning on debuting here (in America) anytime soon!

[JiNi;]

what about TVXQ/DBSK, i think if they will debut, they have a higher chance than some of the asian artist.

im not a fan of them but for some reasons, i bumped to their songs hahahaha.
onepiece is my favorite anime and i just learned that TVXQ/DBSK sing "we are" remix and new opening "share the world" is their song.
Also their 1 song from TVXQ/DBSK is featured in Fast and the Furious 4, i dont know the name.

Yeah Rising Sun was in Fast & Furious 4. which was like random lol. Good promo though.. since that movie is doing pretty well (:

LOL. I didn't think more people would find out about TVXQ from their One Piece openings XD
But since they're not debuting in the US please leave them out of this topic.. many of their fans and others disagree about them debuting in the US anyway.

[zeidrich]

Please leave TVXQ out of this topic.
Many of their fans (such as myself) would not want them to debut in America, because we know the very high chances of them being ridiculed. Their style is not appealing to Americans.
Yes they're talented, but they're better off reigning in Asia.
So please do not include them in this conversation ESPECIALLY when they're definitely not planning on debuting here (in America) anytime soon!

sorry, i really have no idea that their fans dont want them to debut in US.

im just addicted to the new song "share the world" , even if i dont understand it

[ms.incredible]

You guys are harsh in here......I like it.

I pretty much agree with this because in Korean music industry right now it is flooded with boybands and girlbands .Groups like WG, SNSD, Xing, Super Junior, 2PM, 2AM,2NE1 etc.. dont have that raw talent . Entertainment corporations know that as long as these kids are trained and have good looks and get some really good choreographer to help them dance , then its an automatic money maker for them because they know fangirls will go for it since they are well packaged.

I think being too well packaged is part of the problem. Over in Korea, Boa, Seven, WG, Rain etc. are can play it safe, be "good" girls and boys and people love them. but here in America they aren't "edgy" enough, so they come off as just run of the mill, cookie cutter artists(which America already has an abundance of). One of them would need to break the mold to actually get attention, but I don't see any of them doing that.

Please leave TVXQ out of this topic.
Many of their fans (such as myself) would not want them to debut in America, because we know the very high chances of them being ridiculed. Their style is not appealing to Americans.
Yes they're talented, but they're better off reigning in Asia.
So please do not include them in this conversation ESPECIALLY when they're definitely not planning on debuting here (in America) anytime soon!

I hate to break it to ya, hun, but I don't think LSM has them brushing up on their english for nothing. But I think it's a bad idea too. Not b/c they'll be ridiculed( first, they're big boys I'm sure they should know how to handle adversity by now. Second, I remember them talking about being ridiculed in Korea for being in a boyband. It comes with the territory no matter where you are.), but b/c they do have a stronghold on Asia right now and I'd hate to see them throw that away chasing a pipe dream for LSM. If I were a betting person, my money would go on them though.

PS. @ someone thinking Hyori stands a chance in the U.S.

[dramaprincessxox]

what about TVXQ/DBSK, i think if they will debut, they have a higher chance than some of the asian artist.

No, please no. TVXQ is so sweet and they're perfect the way they are. Trying to fit into the US industry will mean they'll change everything about themselves, and then after all that, people will only laugh at them.
Why do you think there are western fans like me? Because TVXQ is something special and different from what I'm used to. I've never seen a group like that. So what's the use if they change?

they're big boys I'm sure they should know how to handle adversity by now.

No, they won't be able to handle this kind of adversity. We're talking about people openly calling them "gay, queer, girly" etc on radio shows, on nighttime comedy shows, heck even on news stations like msnbc. They're strong, but they're also sensitve young men. Do they really need to go through that kind of thing? They don't deserve it. And they don't have attitude like say, Ne-Yo. When some clowns spread a rumour that he had admitted to being gay, Ne-Yo just cussed them out in his reply statement and brushed it off his shoulders...and the rumours stopped. DBSK is a bit sweet for that kind of thing and they won't do it. And in their case, it'll be the actual opinion of a lot of people, not just a rumour.

I believe that the DBSK men are very masculine and mature, moreso than some guys I know. But do you think the people of America will try to find out about their true personality? People don't have the time for that. They judge based on what they see and what their first impression is.

Lee Sooman cannot send DBSK across to this side of th globe. It'll ruin them. And my opinion may not count for much, but I personally, will not forgive him.

PS. @ someone thinking Hyori stands a chance in the U.S.

Why? Because she hasn't won however many awards in Asia? That's not what's important. Do you think foreign people care about all that stuff BoA has achieved in Asia? NO. It means nothing. All that matters is what we see you doing here and now. In any case, for all her achievements, she's really nothing to talk about, is she? Hyori will stand a much better chance than her.

[sheart]

why do people keep bringing up artists that I think don't plan on ever trying to break into the states... (tvxq? hyori??) wishing is ok but i was assuming this thread was a realistic one.. (or at least trying a little bit to be)

[dramaprincessxox]

That's my whole point. Why aren't the singers who should be going over (like Hyori) staying in Asia while people like BoA and Rain are coming?!
This situation is really bad. Even I sing better than BoA, and singing is my hobby, not my job.