[zeidrich]

This thread is about FOREIGN acts debuting in the US. (though Utada was born here I would consider her a foreign act since she focused more of her career in Japan)

Many pinoys dont even know that those 2 have filipina blood. So i think they should not be included in here.



But i think Rin on the Rox must be included:
erin is full filipina and roxanne is half filipina

Can someone comment on their First single - Torture

[zeidrich]

Not yet comfirmed? How come so many people are say that yes, Charice said that it's her single? You're the only person I know so far who insists that it isn't. So did she say that, or not? If the girl said so, then obviously it's true, you can't come round and say it's not.

in one of the interview, she said that they are still in the picking process on which song is going to be her "single" and "fingerprint" is one of the songs in the list. Thats why many assumes its her single. The interview is also in the "tagalog language" so some can misinterpret it. Just what im saying, Fingerprint has a chance to be her first single but its not yet confirmed .

[dramaprincessxox]

But i think Rin on the Rox must be included:
erin is full filipina and roxanne is half filipina

Can someone comment on their First single - Torture

I checked it out. It's really a good song, if I heard it on the radio, it would definitely get my attention. But after the first chorus I wouldn't like it because I personally hate songs that talk basically about people touching each other and how they feel, yada yada. But I think there are lots of people who like those kinds of lyrics, so this song is pretty good. The girls are also both beautiful and have beautiful voices.

[ms.incredible]

You're right, it's true what you say about labels using white girls instead. I didn't think about this--even though a white man may like Asian girls, he might still fall for a white girl more easily. As for the black man's attitude towards Asian women, I am honestly not sure. I don't know if you guys have seen that episode of the show "Fuse Excellent Adventure" where the host Nate Jackson who is black, visited South Korea to see the Asian film festival. He appeared really intrigued by the members of Girls' Generation, saying they were "hotties" and that "God has truly blessed every one of them..." (He also met Shinee and TVXQ). I don't know if his reaction reflects that of many black men or not. But these days the hottest trend is black men with white women though. lol.

I think the biggest obstacle facing any asian artist trying to break mainstream is that music industries all over the world have become lazy and only use proven forumlas to package and promote artists. And they only sign people that fit into that mold. In America, there is no formula on how to successfully promote an asian singer. And without a template to follow, the foreign singers trying to make it here have an especially difficult task b/c they're trying to build something from the ground up. They have to find/establish a base for asian singers, since the asian population here isn't that big. but where do you start? who'll be more receptive mainstream? urban? latin? That's important, b/c depending on which crowd they target, it effects their image and their music(of course). Making the wrong choice could mess up their chances.

I think SM was smart in promoting Boa to both the asian and gay crowds. I had a gay friend send me her and Utada's album and he has no idea I already knew who they were.LOL I don't know if that'll be enough to make her a solid base though, but it was smart and a different approach.

Yeah I know, but I still mentioned the rappers because...they don't always rap anymore! They're doing more mushy songs to appeal to ladies and the teenage population, it's a really interesting new trend we're seeing now. .....

The whole point is, Asian crossover artists will have to compete with these people, never mind their music is of a different genre. These songs are what people are interested in right now. Justin and Usher's inactivity does not make any difference, because there are scores more artists standing right there, grabbing the peoples' interest. The Asian singers have to dramatically attract peoples' attention with something cool and different that cannot be ignored. This may sound crazy...but if they release SNSD's Gee in the States, just as it is...it could top the charts. Its success will shock people. But Sooman doesn't realise that--he doesn't realise how fresh that song is and the potential it's got. He sends BoA over there. Oh, boy. At this rate, things don't look good for the crossover effort.

Thing is though, rappers and singers have two different audiences. Singers' albums are mostly bought by women & mature adults as well as teens . Rapper's albums are mostly bought by young males(hence the reason why although their singles sell well, very few rappers albums sell on the same level as a singer's). So if there are no male singers out now, you have a whole crowd of women(teen to adult) and mature listeners that have no one.

Damaprincess, I am BEGGING you to let Gee stay in Korea. SM made no mistake there.LOL

True, but you'll still have something for when you're ready to leave Disney. It's better than starring in one movie, which, I suspect, will not be very popular... We always forget the real power of the preteen fans and those in their early teens. These younger fans don't care what race you are or even if you have talent; once they think you're cool, they will nag their parents to buy your stuff for them. They will save their allowance, just to buy your album. They will faithfully follow your Disney series, watching it everyday and singing your theme song loudly, annoying the hell out of their family members. These "kids" mean more than we give them credit for. Under-15 does not mean insignificant at all. Heck, most of Miley Cyrus's fans are that age. Even little 5-year old girls--who get their moms to buy the stuff for them. And have you seen how many millions of views Miley's videos get on Youtube? That's the power of shallow, girly Disney series, people. David Foster is not serious.

It's not bad if you're only in it to make money(which is why I think this'd be a great fit for WG and JYP, but I doubt Disney made and offer), but Foster probably knows if he ever wants her to be seen at the level of Whitney or Celine, he's better off.

[SleazyTerdz]

This thread is about FOREIGN acts debuting in the US. (though Utada was born here I would consider her a foreign act since she focused more of her career in Japan)

I'm less interested in foreign acts making it big in the U.S and more interested in Asian-Americans making it big in the U.S. Idk, I just seriously doubt that any foreign Asian artists are going to appeal to a large audience in the states. They'd probably be perceived as total light weights compared to acts the U.S already boasts. And yeah, I'd consider Utada foreign.

[ms.incredible]

I sure we also know that one of BoA's songs, (was it "Eat You Up"?) is just a throwaway song from Britney Spears' album. It wasn't good enough for Britney's album, but apparently it's okay for BoA. I guess it was "nice" of Britney to give it to BoA...but then it's also "nice" of David Foster and whoever to give Charice Fingerprint, isn't it? Not really a very good "nice", it's more like saying that throwaway songs or songs that were written carelessly are the only ones that Asian singers deserve to be given? So I see that peoples' attitudes have not changed.

They deliberately do these things to keep Asian singers out of the game, I hope you guys realize this too, because it happens over and over again. And Se7en's song, "Girls". Catchy song, but these guys know very well that a song that has a whole line of Jay-Z's song in the chorus, will never be taken seriously (I love girls, girls, girls, girls, girls I do adore?! Why??!). And who ever saw an R&B video with such...old women? There are supposed to be young, pretty girls, dancing with Se7en, not some 30+ women sitting at a table and swaying from side to side. Asian singers will have to do almost everything on their own. They will HAVE to use their own music from the albums they released back home. Because they're always being given trash to sing.

Girl, stop!! That happens all the time! That doesn't make the song good or bad. Christina Aguilera passed on "Ms. Independent" and that turned out to be one of Kelly Clarksons' biggest hits. Umbrella was suppose to be Britney Spears' song. "Hit me baby one more time" was wrote for TLC but they passed. Leona Lewis was too busy to record "halo", so Beyonce got it and so on and so on.You'd be surprised at how often that happens. You just have to have an ear for what's a hit and what's not. Rihanna's two biggest hits came from songs that was meant for someone else(Umbrella and CB gave her 'Disturbia' after she heard him record it and wanted it).

Edit: correction, 3 Rihanna hits.....Christina Milian passed on S.O.S(I think this is actually the song that pissed off her label and resulted in her getting dropped when it blew up for Rih)

[dramaprincessxox]

Girl, stop!! That happens all the time! That doesn't make the song good or bad. Christina Aguilera passed on "Ms. Independent" and that turned out to be one of Kelly Clarksons' biggest hits. Umbrella was suppose to be Britney Spears' song. "Hit me baby one more time" was wrote for TLC but they passed. Leona Lewis was too busy to record "halo", so Beyonce got it and so on and so on.You'd be surprised at how often that happens. You just have to have an ear for what's a hit and what's not. Rihanna's two biggest hits came from songs that was meant for someone else(Umbrella and CB gave her 'Disturbia' after she heard him record it and wanted it).

Edit: correction, 3 Rihanna hits.....Christina Milian passed on S.O.S(I think this is actually the song that pissed off her label and resulted in her getting dropped when it blew up for Rih)

There's a huge difference between a song meant for one artist and handed over to another, and a song that never made it on a star's album cos it wasn't good enough, and I think you misunderstood what I was referring to. I know that really good songs are passed on a lot; no problem with that. This is because the songwriter may have one artist in mind, but it turns out that person isn't ready to release the song, so he gives it to someone else cos he wants the song out at that specific time. But giving a throwaway song, more specifically a piece of garbage, something that was rejected because it was mediocre, to a foreign singer starting out? Obviously unacceptable. That is what I'm talking about. BoA's song is one of those.

I don't know if Se7en's song is also one of those, but it's obvious that it was carelessly written and the music video was painfully low-budget. Wait, no. The worst low-budget one has got to be BoA's "I Did It For Love."

Damaprincess, I am BEGGING you to let Gee stay in Korea. SM made no mistake there.LOL

I think I can guess why you're saying that and why a lot of Asian fans would say that. SNSD doesn't fit the Hollywood standard, right? The video is too cutesy; the dance moves aren't sexy; their vocals aren't powerful; the girls are pretty but they aren't Hollywood beautiful; their figures aren't diva-curvy; you think they'll embarrass Asian women etc.? Lemme know which ones I'm wrong about

This is my whole point. Asian artists are obviously different and the only way they will succeed is by embracing their nature, not trying to judge themselves based on Hollywood's standards. Hollywood's standards are based on what's established by the white, black and latina songstresses, and each of these have their own unique styles (and MOST IMPORTANTLY: they are being themselves!!). You can't tell me that every Asian female singer is going to try and change her true style, and hide her true self from everyone because she wants to be famous? That is why they don't do so well most of the time. Who wants to see an Asian songstress who's an imitation Britney Spears or Beyonce? Nobody. The real thing exists already.

They need to stop worrying about fitting into the current mold, and they have to just boldly show the world what Asia really has to offer. So if Asian female singers are cutesy, then they should stay that way, cos no one else in Hollywood is that cute anyhow. If they have tiny figures, they shouldn't try to change that either. They shouldn't start wearing tight leather (like BoA is doing) either. I think too many Asian singers are trying to cross over with a completely confused and wrong attitude towards themselves. Just be yourself, people.

[ms.incredible]

There's a huge difference between a song meant for one artist and handed over to another, and a song that never made it on a star's album cos it wasn't good enough, and I think you misunderstood what I was referring to. I know that really good songs are passed on a lot; no problem with that. This is because the songwriter may have one artist in mind, but it turns out that person isn't ready to release the song, so he gives it to someone else cos he wants the song out at that specific time. But giving a throwaway song, more specifically a piece of garbage, something that was rejected because it was mediocre, to a foreign singer starting out? Obviously unacceptable. That is what I'm talking about. BoA's song is one of those.

I don't know if Se7en's song is also one of those, but it's obvious that it was carelessly written and the music video was painfully low-budget. Wait, no. The worst low-budget one has got to be BoA's "I Did It For Love."

What's the difference between SOS not being "good enough" for Christina Milian and Britney not taking that song? Someone wrote BOMT for TLC and they didn't want it, b/c it wasn't "mature" enough for them. Toxic, another big hit for Britney(one of her few no.1s) was a song first offered to Kylie minogoue....that she didn't want. You really think song writers throw a song in the garbage b/c one person didn't want it? Granted, they usually offer their best stuff to A-list singers first but after they've had their pick, there's still a lot of gems left if you know what to look for. Also, we can't act like Boa doesn't get the star treatment in Asia. Trust, there's singers over there taking Boa's "leftovers".

Se7en's song, I think, would sound better if it were sang with more emotion. I understand it's hard to put that in when your singing in another language and don't understand the nuance of the "girls I do adore" part, etc.' I did it for love' is good, so I don't know what you talking about there. However, it has "dance track" wrote all over it. I see it doing well on dance charts and clubs but not mainstream radio, but I could be wrong.

They need to stop worrying about fitting into the current mold, and they have to just boldly show the world what Asia really has to offer. So if Asian female singers are cutesy, then they should stay that way, cos no one else in Hollywood is that cute anyhow. If they have tiny figures, they shouldn't try to change that either. They shouldn't start wearing tight leather (like BoA is doing) either. I think too many Asian singers are trying to cross over with a completely confused and wrong attitude towards themselves. Just be yourself, people.

On Gee: I just don't feel that song is as good as you think it is. but vocally and lookwise, yeah they're not there either.lol and the group is too big.

Being original is a big part of it too. I agreed with someone about that earlier but I don't think the artists labels are sending over here has that kind of mindset.

[saranghaese7en]

I would say Charice cos she's already kinda big here haha.

[black_green]

I would say Charice cos she's already kinda big here haha.

Lol, Charice just sang the American anthem hours ago, at the baseball dodger's stadium [sp?], kinda big exposure since it was televised on cable . It was kinda sad when Boa was supposed to perform during the Korea and Japan match, she got sick and couldn't perform, that was a missed chance for promotion for her..

Charice's version of the anthem : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz0lZESMYAU

Plus she appeared on A promo/commercial for the show she guested on in italy : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhM_jwTK24k

I was thinking if these artists can't make it in US, why not try for Europe or UK?...Market should be not bad, i think, though US is the leading music industry, its better than nothing lol......

[cepri08]

CHARICE
updates for all of you. just for you to have basis on your opinions.

ITALY

Ti Lascio Una Canzone

She guested in Ti Lascio Una Canzone a very popular talent show in ITALY

Video Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVXFZPRMvDc - Intro + I Will Always Love You

She sung I will Always Love, Ihave Nothing, Listen and the prayer

The introduction was very touching and the song was so magnificent. The standing ovation is like a Standarad operating procedure everytime she sing no? A staff in Ti Lascio Una Canzone which is also a fan of hers said that Warners Italy would sign a contract with her immediately. Now that's totally cool.

{One of the judges?}Verna commented ecstatically: “She has a diamond throat. She has, a..,a…,a.., I don’t know… I haven’t heard anything like it before, I swear…., never!!!

AMERICA

Charice in 2009 Los Angeles Dodgers’ Stadium



She sung the National Anthem in the Opening day of with 57,099 attendance. This is the bigest attendance recorded in the history so imagine how many instant fans he got right there. lolz. plus the millions of people watching in their televisions.

The picture of the stadium with the audience.


NEXT STOP? NBA FINALS. lolz. I hope so. Nothing is impossible with Oprah right?



Article:
LOS ANGELES - Well, I guess that works for a home opener.

First a Dodger Stadium record crowd shows up, a 16-year-old waif belts out one of the biggest national anthems you’ll ever hear, a stealth bomber flies over, and then the Dodgers annihilate their traditional enemy from San Francisco, 11-1.

The Dodgers should quit and go home now. It can’t get any better than that, can it?

“(The anthem) was better than the game,” joked catcher Russell Martin of singer Charice’s pregame home run, before adding, “We hit, pitched, played defense …”
Greg Patton

Video Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cPPPoXyhyE

The video quality is not that good but the audio is superb. It's better than other videos uploaded.

Muhammad Ali Celebrity Fight Night

That's Muhammad Ali by the way. He got some illness now.

[zeidrich]

Your post is entertaining to read, nice presentation , good job.

Some Random stuff about charice - she is touring us in her trailer

Link

[aly*]

Charice did a great job singing the National Anthem. ^^

Like I said before, maybe she won't get fame like Britney or Rihanna (or maybe she will)...
but for certain, Americans will know who Charice is. That's a big deal already.


Anyway, May is already coming up... I wonder if Wonder Girls are really releasing an english version of "Nobody".
I'm curious to see how it pans out. :x

BoA's "I Did it For Love" mv hasn't even been released, and it's almost one month since her album came out now.

Se7en is still hopping from clubs to clubs.

I don't know what's going on with Utada, but I heard her song on the radio many times. ^^

[cepri08]

Your post is entertaining to read, nice presentation , good job.

Some Random stuff about charice - she is touring us in her trailer

I never know this thread I created would grow this much. lolz.

way to go asian hopefuls!

[dramaprincessxox]

CHARICE
updates for all of you. just for you to have basis on your opinions....

Wow. A lot of pictures and writing about her achievements... It's like "propoganda". Especially the quotes, from people who commented on her...Let's just say it's not the best way to make people interested in a person.

Is that also her in the stockings kneeling in front of Muhammed Ali? Is that even right? It doesn't look good. Not respectable for a young girl to dress like that and perform that way in front of an older man. I didn't know she was into that kind of thing. I'm kind of disappointed. She might be the type to do anything trashy she's told to do, to supposedly gain popularity? Or at least that's my impression of her now. Reminds me of Parminder already.

[purpl]

Is that also her in the stockings kneeling in front of Muhammed Ali? Is that even right? It doesn't look good. Not respectable for a young girl to dress like that and perform that way in front of an older man. I didn't know she was into that kind of thing. I'm kind of disappointed. She might be the type to do anything trashy she's told to do, to supposedly gain popularity? Or at least that's my impression of her now. Reminds me of Parminder already.

Give her a break. Her outfit was catered to the event because it was a tribute to Muhammad Ali. If you'll notice, she was wearing a red top like the color of boxing gloves and her shorts are reminiscent of boxing attire back in the day. She doesn't normally wear clothes like that for performances. Anyway, she doesn't dress herself and if you watched the video, it wasn't her idea to go on the table. She was literally dragged there in the middle of her performance because people thought it would be cute and they didn't think there would be any malice involved. Charice didn't know they were going to do that while she was singing so what was left for her to do? She had to kneel to keep steady because her boots had heels. The girl was placed in such an awkward position and at least she tried to deliver and was professional about it.

[LucasBunny]

Charice did a great job singing the National Anthem. ^^

Like I said before, maybe she won't get fame like Britney or Rihanna (or maybe she will)...
but for certain, Americans will know who Charice is. That's a big deal already.


Anyway, May is already coming up... I wonder if Wonder Girls are really releasing an english version of "Nobody".
I'm curious to see how it pans out. :x

BoA's "I Did it For Love" mv hasn't even been released, and it's almost one month since her album came out now.

Se7en is still hopping from clubs to clubs.

I don't know what's going on with Utada, but I heard her song on the radio many times. ^^

Ewwww
they need to not release an english version
I'm sick of these non talented girl groups

[bystander]

^
Lol.
I think JYP is really going for it. They've been in the States, currently in New York.
JYP's got them on myspace, facebook, youtube, and twitter. ><



Have you guys heard about this possibility?...

K Bites - 30.03.2009
SS501 to advance into the American market?

It seems that SS501 will move into the plans of advancing into the American market with great cautions.

SS501 members Kim Kyu Jong and Heo Yeong Saeng recently took part in a concert performance and for an interview in LA. There they met up with famous producers Andrew Lane and Steven Lee on 21st March and discussed about music and advancing into the American market.

A DSP representative said, “When we were working on the album ‘U R Man’, we have also received some songs from Andrew Lane. Through this, we get to meet these people in America.”

“We did have talks about advancement into the American market. We do have plans on an American market advancement but we have yet to have solid plans laid down.”

SS501 will be releasing a special album in May and in summer they will release a new album.

Say “Hello” to SS501 in America?
popseoul!

Not what you think.

The smiley quintet will be visiting America in early May to work on their upcoming second album, slated for release in July. During their time there, SS501 will be cooperating with big-wig American producers and songwriters, but as fans have seen so far, American produced material for Korean artists hasn’t been of particularly low creative merit (cough, BoA’s original MV for “Eat You Up” and Super Junior’s “Sorry, Sorry” choreography)

SS501’s company, Daesung Entertainment, has been speculating whether it is possible for the five pretty boys to break into the American market. As their public statement explained, “We cannot confirm anything. We are only at the stage of planning.” The management seem smart enough for realizing that at this point in SS501’s career, their efforts would go completely unnoticed, fade away quickly, and ultimately FAIL.

For now though, SS501 will be busy working on their new album, promoting themselves in Japan, conducting an Asian tour, and working on their own separate solo efforts. We won’t be seeing them for a while.

It's great that they're being "cautious" and all, but I hope they're not serious.

[Yashi]

first time posting in the thread; long time lurker, though.

first, the topic: i whole-heartedly support anyone and everyone who's asian and trying to make it here in the US. now, with that being said, as much as i love singers like boa or se7en, i can't really see them making it big here yet. i feel like utada's made some pretty big strides -- being heard on the radio, doing meet & greets at sephora, etc.; but it remains to be seen if she can really make an effect when the physical copy of her album comes out in may.

as for charice (the haters will get me, i'm sure)...she has talent, no one can deny that -- but appeal? i don't think so. i'm sorry, but i don't really see her appealing to teenagers or people in their 20s, and her looks play a big part in why she doesn't. i don't want to be mean, but that's the harsh reality of "making it" in america.

btw; i feel like the thread's turned into a "promote charice thread". propaganda to the max..i might as well put up info about utada and parade around the fact she visited a couple of different sephoras around the country and made it onto big name radio stations and reached number 2 on itunes, right? or talk about how boa visited all these different night clubs and how she has all these different producers. etc., etc. l

[kissez*]

Is that also her in the stockings kneeling in front of Muhammed Ali? Is that even right? It doesn't look good. Not respectable for a young girl to dress like that and perform that way in front of an older man. I didn't know she was into that kind of thing. I'm kind of disappointed. She might be the type to do anything trashy she's told to do, to supposedly gain popularity? Or at least that's my impression of her now. Reminds me of Parminder already.

Her outfit wasn't that bad. It's just the angle, really.
And lol @ "she might be the type to do anything trashy she's told to do"?
Because she's wearing short-shorts and stockings?
Now you're being much too judgmental.
Reign it in a bit.

Oy, this thread is slowly becoming a Charice thread.

I think I can guess why you're saying that and why a lot of Asian fans would say that. SNSD doesn't fit the Hollywood standard, right? The video is too cutesy; the dance moves aren't sexy; their vocals aren't powerful; the girls are pretty but they aren't Hollywood beautiful; their figures aren't diva-curvy; you think they'll embarrass Asian women etc.? Lemme know which ones I'm wrong about.

First of all, I would like to say that if SM decides to debut SNSD in the states and release an English version of Gee - my head will explode. I think that song can induce seizures.
And no, SNSD wouldn't fit the image of most mainstream American artists.
Sexy isn't their goal and sex sells in the U.S.
But do I think they'll embarrass Asian women? No.
Even though they annoy me to no end, I'm glad groups like SNSD, Morning Musume and KARA are around.
It's refreshing to see girls respect their bodies and not prance around in tiny shreds of cloth and faces caked with make up.
SNSD were assembled to visually cater to an Asian crowd anyway.

I don't see any Asian girl groups (or boy groups for that matter) being able to successfully penetrate the U.S. market.
Boy/girl groups just aren't big in the U.S.

SS501’s company, Daesung Entertainment, has been speculating whether it is possible for the five pretty boys to break into the American market. As their public statement explained, “We cannot confirm anything. We are only at the stage of planning.”

Yeah, uh - LOL.
SS501, Big Bang, DBSK, -insert another tacky looking boyband- have NO chance in the U.S. market.
Might as well quit while you're ahead, sorry boys.