[JiNi;]

and now who's talking about her???????????????

eh PUTANg INA KA PALA EH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay seriously that was NOT necessary.

[aly*]

LOL and just for fun, I tried to do makeup for BoA.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l132/xxs...boamakeover.jpg

I actually like what you did, lol, except it's a little too much blush for my taste.
But I love the lip color, because her lips did look pale in the music video.

Some people are getting out of hand here.
anjaigirl26: That's not right what you said. Please control your emotions.

[kissez*]

and now who's talking about her???????????????

eh PUTANg INA KA PALA EH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know what maturity is?
That was completely uncalled for.
Pathetic.

Anyway, enough about this clown. I actually went back just now to watch BoA's new MV again. I wanted to see if my ideas about it would change. Really, the song is good, but...it's not well done. I'm talking about even the background music itself, it's soft to make an impression. The bass, which is very important, is too toned-down. Also a huge problem is BoA's vocals sound not only too soft, but too "shallow" and airy. Strong vocals would have made such a difference to this song. It fails to make a huge impression because it's just too ordinary and the beat is too poppy. It really can't grab the attention of too many new fans. Normally when you hear a great new song. you want to hear it again? I don't. I've seen other people making comments like that as well--"It's nice, but I wouldn't listen to it again." This song will not do well, and I'm actually sorry to say it.

And as I said before, a terrible mistake was not emphasizing BoA's beauty and establishing her as a glamourous woman. She looked just plain tired and uninteresting. And she needs weight and size. I'm sure we've all seen Britney Spears, Rihanna, Ciara etc, in their leather. If BoA wants to wear that, she's got to gain weight. It looks really horrible on her right now. And she has curves, so if she gains weight she'll look better.
[img]http://i95.photobuck...oavsbritney.jpg
LOL and just for fun, I tried to do makeup for BoA.
[img]http://i95.photobuck...boamakeover.jpg

BoA has a boyish figure. Even when she was heavier, she still had absolutely no curves.
She's sort of shaped like a tube. She's really stocky with no hips, no breasts, no thighs, no ass... etc.
Example :


I don't know. I just don't think she can achieve a curvy body. She's literally shaped like a boy.
Weight gain won't do her any good.
She's lost quite a bit of weight since she's debuted but her body hasn't matured at all.

[colloquy]

Yeah, BoA pretty much has no hints of a curvaceous figure. Her chest is pretty much flat. Which always makes me giggle when people say BoA has an S-line - just because you've successfully contorted your body into an S-line in one photo (with the help of a push up bra, etc) doesn't mean you actually have one.

[sheart]

lol @ boa-thread version 2.
boo.

[dramaprincessxox]

actually like what you did, lol, except it's a little too much blush for my taste.
But I love the lip color, because her lips did look pale in the music video.

Thanks!!

BoA has a boyish figure. Even when she was heavier, she still had absolutely no curves.
She's sort of shaped like a tube. She's really stocky with no hips, no breasts, no thighs, no ass... etc.

I don't know. I just don't think she can achieve a curvy body. She's literally shaped like a boy.
Weight gain won't do her any good.
She's lost quite a bit of weight since she's debuted but her body hasn't matured at all.

Yeah, BoA pretty much has no hints of a curvaceous figure. Her chest is pretty much flat. Which always makes me giggle when people say BoA has an S-line - just because you've successfully contorted your body into an S-line in one photo (with the help of a push up bra, etc) doesn't mean you actually have one.

Wow, ok I think I can see what you guys mean. I was actually wondering while looking at her in the mv, if she really has a tube shape, but I wasn't able to tell. She appears to have curves, but maybe that's only because she's really thin. It's apparent from the pics that you posted, kissez, that she doesn't gain weight well. It doesn't distribute through her body, it just stretches her waistline and gives her a barrel-like shape. That's sad, so she'll have to stay stick-thin if she wants a figure. I'll take it that you guys know about her figure better than I do...

lol @ boa-thread version 2.
boo.

Oh, be quiet. As you can see, we're all being objective here. Why don't you share some intelligent viewpoints with us?

[zeidrich]

Im laughing at this thread seriously. How many people knows tagalog in here,and the shocker is its not just 1 poster who knows the meaning but more than one

eh PUTANg INA KA PALA EH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i thought no one can understand this post so its fine <<<<<< my initial reaction

[sheart]

Oh, be quiet. As you can see, we're all being objective here. Why don't you share some intelligent viewpoints with us?

no seriously. that was a lot of boa commentary just now. no she doesn't have curves. thats just how she is and unless she gets surgery its not going to change so i don't really get why its such a point of discussion..




i don't think i can speak for america's taste in music and what might make it because 1) i dont listen to the radio often at all 2) liking asian music/being asian gives me an automatic bias and connection with these artists.

i'm not going to discuss boa's image in her video or any of that because, at least to me, if the music is good enough it'll stand on its own. she could be way hot in her video but if the song sucks the song still sucks (i pretty much don't have an opinion on that song. it's not bad but its not great either. And the video is nothing new at all so whatever). Alot of people talk about her being a good dancer, but honestly... there are A LOT of good dancers in america and no ones gonna care that she can. (look how popular shows like 'americas best dance crew' or whatever are.)
im sort of just waiting to see how much i hear about her outside of the asian communities i know/am involved in, because thats when you can tell it actually hit somewhere.

i don't know enough about charice to give an opinion at all so i won't.

utada, to me it doesn't really matter because i like her music and i think shes already an accomplished musician. and regardless of if it does well in america it's going to sell well elsewhere. shes not a diva or anything anyway.


i'm surprised no one in here (as far as i know) has mentioned epik high at all considering they'll be performing in the states soon with far east movement (?). there's asian AND asian american right there.

i'm rooting for asian americans before any of these overseas stars make it anyway (i consider utada asian american, but i like her regardless of her 'success'.. whatever people mean by that).

[zeidrich]

On my take on boa = asian britneyS

its more like a disadvantage for her, seriously speaking, britney is still singing and is hot today, why would you buy an album of a asian britney when you can just buy britney`s album.

If she is the 2nd Janet Jackson, then its much better because Janet is not making music anymore.


For me, Boa have more chance on succeeding in US in a tomboyish image rather than a sexy image. because if she will be sexy image, her competitors are beyonce, britney
If she goes for a sweet image - she will compete with miley and taylor swift.

Just use the strategy of Lady Gaga, be unique.




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TFC - The Filipino Channel, The biggest filipino channel that is used by millions of filipinos worldwide especially from europe, canada and north america just gave charice the biggest support they can give.
And it is To sing the Station ID of TFC, w/c is really a good thing because a station ID ussually is being played in every 2 hours. A minimum of 5x a day.

[sheart]

^ i would agree with the gaga thing, but i doubt boa can write her own songs in english at all, not to mention a top hit. she can LOOK unique but that won't get her far on the radio..

[Tonyc402]

i'm rooting for asian americans before any of these overseas stars make it anyway (i consider utada asian american, but i like her regardless of her 'success'.. whatever people mean by that).

QFT !!! Seriously can careless of any asian artist coming from overseas to the states. I want some more Asian Americans debuting .

FAR EAST MOVEMENT FTW!

[dramaprincessxox]

BoA does not need to follow anyone's strategy. I will always believe that for Asian crossover artists to succeed, they must be themselves. That includes singing in their own language and maintaining the same image they had while in Asia. Otherwise, they won't make it so quickly, if at all.
I know that for some reason there are a lot of people (from Asia) who say "English is critical to your success in the American industry!" Um, no. They're wrong. BoA as "the second Janet Jackson"? Haha, hilarious. She'd have to sing well to start with. The "Asian Britney Spears" thing is also quite ridiculous. I insist that Lee Hyori will do much better there. And nobody tell me that "Hyori doesn't know English." I know. She doesn't need to. Those guys should just come over and sing in Korean!

Epik High going to America? I don't think that's a very good idea. I mean they're all right, but whom are they planning to be better than, and what unique Asian music are they going to showcase, since their image and musical style is already totally Americanized? Can they really be better than Linkin Park? Or are they really going to try and beat the countless rappers including Flo Rida, Jay-Z, G-Unit (50-cent's gang), Soulja Boy, Twista etc.? They can't. They shouldn't go. It'll be a waste of time and energy.

That reminds me of DBSK. Thankfully most DBSK fans agree that they should stay in Asia. I agree too~

[colloquy]

utada, to me it doesn't really matter because i like her music and i think shes already an accomplished musician. and regardless of if it does well in america it's going to sell well elsewhere. shes not a diva or anything anyway.

The problem I have with Utada is that she sometimes has awkward lyrics. In her English music, the awkwardness of her lyrics just intensifies, although they can be somewhat awkward in Japanese. Just not as noticeable. As for her chance for success - you may say that her music is good, but for Exodus - the music was good, some of the lyrics were too awkward. That Japanese-y line practically killed it, along with the lack of promotion. For her latest album, the music just isn't up to par. Her image is too bland for America. To you, music may be all that matters. Actually, her image in Japan was actually one of the reasons she became popular - the uncontroversial, down-to-earth aspects. (I mean, think about all the down-to-earth artists out there in Japan - Yui, ayaka, etc) Another reason why she became popular in Japan was her first album - she did something innovative by Japanese standards, which was R&B. Not necessarily by worldwide standards though. And not to forget, her parental connections.

Epik High is one of the more refreshing groups to come out of Korea, but they'd have to get a major label behind them.

[bloodyme]

i've seen BOA's new MV.....

all i can say is
she is a great dancer.

[bystander]

Or are they really going to try and beat the countless rappers including Flo Rida, Jay-Z, G-Unit (50-cent's gang), Soulja Boy, Twista etc.? They can't. They shouldn't go. It'll be a waste of time and energy.

I cringed at the thought of comparing Epik High with Soulja Boy, Flo Rida, and G-Unit.
At least Epik High's songs and lyrics have substance.
I wouldn't mind supporting them if they try to debut in America... but it's still a long-shot, all because they're Asian..

[bloodyme]

wow i think im likin the song (BOA's)
i cant get it out of my head.

[ngpossible]

I'm betting on BoA. She can dance, which is a great attention grabber since there aren't too many good female dancers and she's got spunk.

[sheart]

Epik High going to America? I don't think that's a very good idea. I mean they're all right, but whom are they planning to be better than, and what unique Asian music are they going to showcase, since their image and musical style is already totally Americanized? Can they really be better than Linkin Park? Or are they really going to try and beat the countless rappers including Flo Rida, Jay-Z, G-Unit (50-cent's gang), Soulja Boy, Twista etc.? They can't. They shouldn't go. It'll be a waste of time and energy.

i get what you mean... i brought them up because they're actually performing in the states soon and their music can actively be bought by people outside of korea (US) which most kpop artists don't really do directly (besides the regular yesasia or whatever). plus their booklets and stuff are bilingual so it's understandable to the english-speaking public as well. As an actual artist trying to make it in mainstream america I'd rather have them not. I mean, they sort of pulled out of mainstream kpop for a reason too..
i don't know about how marketable they are or how popular their style of music would become, but for being independent now they got venues and stuff way faster than a lot of the asian crossovers. not the best venues or whatever but i mean, they don't seem any worse than how se7en is performing in clubs?

i don't think they'd be catagorized with people like flo rida or t.i. (ect) anyway though. (And I don't see them as completely americanized, but thats just me I guess) And I think they're completely diff than LP. If they were a band and played all their music live and stuff then maybe I'd compare, but in general, no.
I sort of see it more with people like lupe or mos def (less mainstream but respected rappers with more substance, though thats prob a stretch too). but for example, listen to MYK's part in 'Map the Soul (worldwide vers)' and then listen to Zion I's 'Bird's Eye View' and tell me you don't at least see similarities.

overall i think it would be a different 'category' altogether though. like far east movement. i dont really have non-asian counterparts i can compare them with. Since rap is such a personally and culturally based type of music I don't think a lot of asians can make music that is the 'asian version' or whatever of some american rapper. it would be innately in some ways. i don't know about other people but even though i can hear similarities in influence, style, and stuff like that, asian american rapping is definitely distinct from regular mainstream rap unless you want to start to talk about blurring boundaries like teriyaki boyz or verbal. (asian rapping is diff too but thats a completely different story).

The problem I have with Utada is that she sometimes has awkward lyrics. In her English music, the awkwardness of her lyrics just intensifies, although they can be somewhat awkward in Japanese. Just not as noticeable. As for her chance for success - you may say that her music is good, but for Exodus - the music was good, some of the lyrics were too awkward. That Japanese-y line practically killed it, along with the lack of promotion. For her latest album, the music just isn't up to par. Her image is too bland for America. To you, music may be all that matters. Actually, her image in Japan was actually one of the reasons she became popular - the uncontroversial, down-to-earth aspects. (I mean, think about all the down-to-earth artists out there in Japan - Yui, ayaka, etc) Another reason why she became popular in Japan was her first album - she did something innovative by Japanese standards, which was R&B. Not necessarily by worldwide standards though. And not to forget, her parental connections.

as a disclaimer, i've heard WAAAAAAAAAAAY weirder (and more awkward) lyrics than hers so i'm not really worried.

are you fluent in japanese? i never really thought of her japanese lyrics as 'awkward'. in america it might be for a regular pop song, but for something like an indie artist (i know she's not but whatever) i dont think it is really (yeah the japanesey line was bad but its not like its her only line ever. and it was supposed to be funny though i don't think she has the same humor as everyone in the world so...)
i don't really think about exodus as her break into america. i see it as an EXPERIMENTAL album. you can tell just by listening to it that her goal wasn't to sell a lot or become famous in the states. it was to experiment with her style and try things out.

as far as her image, no really.. i don't care. she is bland for american standards because she ISN'T a diva. her success (or lackthereof) here means nothing to me so i couldn't care less about her 'image'. i dont see her getting big in the states in the first place and i dont think its her goal. This is the One was just a pop album. she never really made a complete album in only the 'pop' genre so she probably wanted to try it, and i don't blame her, a 10 year (something like that?) music career and japan and you might want to try something different.
i think its weird that people really look at her as a person who is trying so hard to make it here when in general i think shes just doing what she does, just decided to change locations. i don't think she's worried about her album sales or radio play.. and to be honest i'm not either.

[colloquy]

as a disclaimer, i've heard WAAAAAAAAAAAY weirder (and more awkward) lyrics than hers so i'm not really worried.

are you fluent in japanese? i never really thought of her japanese lyrics as 'awkward'. in america it might be for a regular pop song, but for something like an indie artist (i know she's not but whatever) i dont think it is really (yeah the japanesey line was bad but its not like its her only line ever. and it was supposed to be funny though i don't think she has the same humor as everyone in the world so...)
i don't really think about exodus as her break into america. i see it as an EXPERIMENTAL album. you can tell just by listening to it that her goal wasn't to sell a lot or become famous in the states. it was to experiment with her style and try things out.

as far as her image, no really.. i don't care. she is bland for american standards because she ISN'T a diva. her success (or lackthereof) here means nothing to me so i couldn't care less about her 'image'. i dont see her getting big in the states in the first place and i dont think its her goal. This is the One was just a pop album. she never really made a complete album in only the 'pop' genre so she probably wanted to try it, and i don't blame her, a 10 year (something like that?) music career and japan and you might want to try something different.
i think its weird that people really look at her as a person who is trying so hard to make it here when in general i think shes just doing what she does, just decided to change locations. i don't think she's worried about her album sales or radio play.. and to be honest i'm not either.

Yeah, I do know Japanese. Sanctuary's a good example of what I'm talking about. I mean, I'm a fan of hers, but she's not the perfect musician her fans make her out to be.

If Utada Hikaru didn't care about album sales and radio airplay, then she wouldn't be going to radio stations, doing promotions on morning shows. The 'experimental album' to me just seems out of the ballpark to me, just because it's experimental doesn't mean she isn't aiming for some form of success. Obviously, every artist wants to make it big, she's just not willing to sacrifice who she is in terms of image, which is understandable. Not every successful female artist is necessarily a 'diva.'

LOL at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElgxPpHl5a4

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^ (alright just asking, cause i've seen some people say her japanese lyrics are weird who had to read badly translated lyrics so it was kinda 'duh'.) well yeah. i def. don't think she's perfect and i don't like all of her songs. i'd just rather she made her own music than sing something someone else wrote. but you know how fans seem. "their favorite can do no wrong" type thing. most fans (esp on soompi) do it. i didn't mean to come off like that. i just dont' really see her as a struggling singer (i mean boa isn't either, but with the whole language thing, it sort of is...)

well i mean she doesn't care to the point of completely changing her image or style, but promotions are pretty normal for any musician cause in the end you are trying to put bread on the table (lol, so to say..). i know not all female artists are divas, but at least as far as i can tell it's sort of expected when you hit a certain level of fame in the states. (and imo 52 mill album sales or whatever that ridic number was is in that range, though def didn't happen here.)

and lol @ youtube vid.