[Xiao Miss]

Can someone give a link on the artist great performances before introducing them here, i cant relate to what your talking about

http://www.youtube.com/ <<<< Use this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rthv6lDP-3I

The girl in that video is very good. You should avoid underestimating other singers. Actually, I think Charice is amazing BUT fans should stop overrating her. I personally think that the main reason why she's popular because she sells off the novelty of little girl w/ a big voice. Seriously, had she been normal-looking for her age, people wouldn't be too impressed. Thing is, youtube = sell. Lots of people with massive hits on youtube don't really move on to become huge stars in mainstream.

Now don't get me started with the "David Foster" and "Oprah" factor. David Foster would have been great has this been the 90s. The last person he got popular was Alicia Keys, Buble and Groban. But you have to key in that they had something Charice is lacking - good looks. Oprah might help, but only to the so-called "ahjumma" crowd.

I think that Charice won't sell as much CDs as Miley or the Jonas Bros but she'd rely more on concerts and tours and stuff. Frankly, her voice sounds really mediocre on record, just like any other singer. It'd be a big mistake if she ever decides to grow taller or even look mature because that just strips her off her "marketing tool". I'm betting her US shelf life (if she ever becomes successful) would only be until she's 22 years old at most and then she'd be another Coco Lee who has to return to her home country because the novelty has worn off. By then, most of Charice's contemporaries would have caught up vocally with her and people would prefer them. Plus, at this rate her voice is heading for destruction with the abuse she's doing to it.

Unless of course, she decides to go for the "celebrity route". Scandals, paparazzi and plastic surgery. Admit it or not, those tactics work.

[kensamor]

^Girl, you're asking for the moon. Fans are going to overrate their idols no matter what, that's why they are called FANS. We have to understand that. We also have to understand that this is basically a fan forum and fans will defend their idols no matter what. And who are we to stop them from doing so? For me, as long as there's no personal attacks then everyone can worship their idols. So, post away!


Anyway...so, who do you think is going to make it? You only mentioned how Charice is going to flunk. How about the others?

[ms.incredible]

What are you talking about?
PCD has outsold Danity Kane by a long shot.
So much for DK fans' support.

First album:PCD debuted with a hot single, only move 98K copies the first week. DK debuted with a hot single, sold 234k the first week. Yes, after 6 singles(compared to DK's 2) their sales came up but most labels wouldn't have bothered after crappy 1st week sales like that. Second album: PCD debuted with 79k copies, while DK sold 236k copies. I already said DK was under promoted by diddy, but the fact remains they had more loyal fans than PCD.

Do you know what a supportive base is? a fanbase is people who are there to buy your album when it drops regardless. Looking at their first week sales for both albums. DK had that. PCD has people buying their album based on how good or bad the single is. I wouldn't call that "supportive" or fans. Do you get it now?

[colloquy]

Can someone give a link on the artist great performances before introducing them here, i cant relate to what your talking about

http://www.youtube.com/ <<<< Use this

Is this in reference to my name drop? Anyway, this is my favorite Misia performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgJxVSmqYcc

But, she's well known for her tours as well. I guess Americans deem her the Japanese 'Mariah Carey,' although I'd disagree somewhat. I guess that's in reference to her range and R&B style.

[kissez*]

First album:PCD debuted with a hot single, only move 98K copies the first week. DK debuted with a hot single, sold 234k the first week. Yes, after 6 singles(compared to DK's 2) their sales came up but most labels wouldn't have bothered after crappy 1st week sales like that. Second album: PCD debuted with 79k copies, while DK sold 236k copies. I already said DK was under promoted by diddy, but the fact remains they had more loyal fans than PCD.

Do you know what a supportive base is? a fanbase is people who are there to buy your album when it drops regardless. Looking at their first week sales for both albums. DK had that. PCD has people buying their album based on how good or bad the single is. I wouldn't call that "supportive" or fans. Do you get it now?

Bump that. Let's talk about overall sales.
PCD pulled in over 7 million world wide (first album) - both of Danity Kanes album sales (domestic and international) combined can't add up to that, or even come close.
And if you're talking about loyal fans, I've got to say that you've got to be pretty loyal to purchase PCD's new album which is absolute crap.
I don't know how you're gauging fanbase loyalty but the way I see it, the one who's making bank is the one with the "loyal" fanbase.

[dramaprincessxox]

Wow are we still arguing about Pussycat Dolls and Danity Kane's album sales??! lmao
Why not forget them now, I see we have stuff to talk about like Utada Hikaru's new song/video and these unknown singers that zeidrich was asking about? Whatever the album sales were, not one of us has made that much money singing anyway whether it's selling 98k or 234k albums, so hats off to both PCD and DK; let's forget that now. Let's talk about the Asian crossover hopefuls again.

[Xiao Miss]

^Girl, you're asking for the moon. Fans are going to overrate their idols no matter what, that's why they are called FANS. We have to understand that. We also have to understand that this is basically a fan forum and fans will defend their idols no matter what. And who are we to stop them from doing so? For me, as long as there's no personal attacks then everyone can worship their idols. So, post away!


Anyway...so, who do you think is going to make it? You only mentioned how Charice is going to flunk. How about the others?

I'm part of certain fandoms and while they think highly of their idols, overrating is a lot difference. Overrating happens when a success is yet to be attained, but people are already claiming it. Especially when most fans become ignorant of the capabilities of other people too.

Frankly, out of the people here, I think Charice would have the most success unless of course, WG becomes a novelty hit or something.

[ms.incredible]

Bump that. Let's talk about overall sales.
PCD pulled in over 7 million world wide (first album) - both of Danity Kanes album sales (domestic and international) combined can't add up to that, or even come close.
And if you're talking about loyal fans, I've got to say that you've got to be pretty loyal to purchase PCD's new album which is absolute crap.
I don't know how you're gauging fanbase loyalty but the way I see it, the one who's making bank is the one with the "loyal" fanbase.

yup, seven million people bought there first album, yet their second album dropped and 20k LESS people showed up to buy it. How extremely loyal of them. Anyone one hit wonder can release a hot song and be in for a hot second. That doesn't make the people that bought into the craze a "fan" and hardly describes being loyal or supportive. Loyal would be some Beyonce fans saying they didn't like "deja vu" but they were still buying the album b/c they had faith the rest of the album would sound good. That's what you call a loyal fanbase. PCd doesn't have that and don't look like they ever will.

Wow are we still arguing about Pussycat Dolls and Danity Kane's album sales??! lmao

I'm surprised too. Kissez comes in here 2 days after my post spouting off statistics and still isn't fully grasping what I meant, so it's moot anyway.

Let's talk about the Asian crossover hopefuls again.

Agreed......like who(that we haven't already discussed)?

[kissez*]

Sweetie, I understand what you meant but you clearly couldn't comprehend what I was getting at.
PCD pulled in over 7 million world wide (first album) - both of Danity Kanes album sales (domestic and international) combined can't add up to that, or even come close.
And if you're talking about loyal fans, I've got to say that you've got to be pretty loyal to purchase PCD's new album which is absolute crap.
I don't know how you're gauging fanbase loyalty but the way I see it, the one who's making bank is the one with the "loyal" fanbase.

PCD's second album pulled in over 1 million sales world wide anyway.
So even if there was a dip in "loyalty", it seems they still have some pretty loyal fans, don't they?
I don't know why you guys are whining since you're the ones who randomly brought up DK and Girlicious, claiming just how "popular" they are in the states when one group has disbanded and the second is basically unknown.
And my bad I couldn't reply right after your posts... I know it's hard to believe but some of us have actual lives to lead rofl.

[dramaprincessxox]

Utada's song "Come back to me"...
I wasn't really feeling that part in the second verse where she said something about "I admit that I cheated, don't why it did it but I do regret it?"
It sounds a bit awkward to me. I haven't heard those kinds of lines in a song before anyway. I'm confused about whether or not people would be able to relate to the song, who is her target audience in this song? I'm assuming it's married women/women in relationships, right? Some of her lyrics automatically derease the audience for the song.

Teenagers and even young adults will NOT be able to relate to it, and a hit song should be one that every person can enjoy. So I'm concerned about how many people will enjoy the song. It's definitely a good song though. Does anyone know what kind of promotion this song has? What TV stations would the mv show on, and what radio stations is it played on?

Anyway, in my opinion Utada is most likely to succeed. And if she doesn't then the others really don't stand a chance, except Se7en--MAYBE. No, not Charice, certainly NOT BoA and NOT Rain.

I feel a little sorry for Charice because her voice is good. But she will not make it because her voice is all she's got, the rest of the package is missing. And then her being Filipina also goes against her in Hollywood. Yeah, her voice is great, but there are scores of American girls with voices just as good, and they're beautiful too. So Charice should enjoy the popularity and more importantly, make as much money as possible until her popularity fades away.
Remember, she was considered amazing ONLY because she was singing so well at a young age. Nothing else is extraordinary about her, and when she hits 18, it'll be over. She'll be a normal girl who can sing. That's it. She doesn't have that long anymore. and well, with prodigies like this 10-year old girl around, Charice wouldn't shine so much anymore...she's no longer amazing because she's almost an adult anyway.

EDIT

Also this is a little off-topic, but is there currently any cute, talented child rapper in Asia? There are too many child singers around already, but child rappers are rarer and they always capture peoples' interest. If there's a little boy like that, maybe it would be a good strategy to send that kid to America. People warm to kids a lot more easily and plus, there's a huge tween market for cute talented boy rappers around like age 13, 14. I know it might sound crazy, but I distinctly remember me and my friends crushing on Lil Bow Wow when I was 12!! (he was 13 or 14 at the time and an adorable little gangsta!!)
There's much less competition in that area, and a boy can become a serious rapper at a very early age. I think that's a very good strategy to help the process of opening new doors for Asian singers in America. The kid just needs to be talented at rapping and he must have that cute charisma of course.

I actually thought of this because of this cute boy rapper just starting out, who seems like he's the next Lil Bow Wow, his name is "Scooter Smiff", a weird name that sounds cute only on him. rotfl. It hit me that it's a really smart way to get people interested, no matter what race the kid is. Everyone loves a cute little boy, right?! lol

[aly*]

Utada's song "Come back to me"...
I wasn't really feeling that part in the second verse where she said something about "I admit that I cheated, don't why it did it but I do regret it?"
It sounds a bit awkward to me. I haven't heard those kinds of lines in a song before anyway. I'm confused about whether or not people would be able to relate to the song, who is her target audience in this song? I'm assuming it's married women/women in relationships, right? Some of her lyrics automatically derease the audience for the song.

I'm sure lots of people could relate to the "Come Back to Me" song.
There are people who have cheated, and then regret it. Yes, that exists (in all ages, in teens/young-adults/adults).
Look at Usher's Confessions Pt. II song ~ he's trying to figure how he's going to confess that he cheated and is going to have a baby with that other girl (I think that's what the song was about, if I remembered correctly xD). His song was well-received.

[dramaprincessxox]

Yeah, but...that's Usher. Utada singing it is totally different, especially as she's a woman. Women rarely or never sing stuff like that.
Besides, Usher's song was like a story. Utada's is more like a repetitive plea for the man to come back.

[aly*]

Yeah, but...that's Usher. Utada singing it is totally different, especially as she's a woman. Women rarely or never sing stuff like that.
Besides, Usher's song was like a story. Utada's is more like a repetitive plea for the man to come back.

Well yeah that's kind of true.
But I don't think the subject of the song affects too much on how well she'll be received.
The problem is mainly trying to sell herself out there as an Asian artist, really.
If someone like say Ciara or Rihanna would sing this exact song, I'm sure it would get popular.

[dramaprincessxox]

Well yeah that's kind of true.
But I don't think the subject of the song affects too much on how well she'll be received.
The problem is mainly trying to sell herself out there as an Asian artist, really.
If someone like say Ciara or Rihanna would sing this exact song, I'm sure it would get popular.

You are so right, I was thinking exactly the same thing! This song is great, and she even sang it really well, in a strong voice. Could it be that the only thing to keep Utada back this time, is her race? But that can't go on forever, I mean her song is good. Maybe if it is only played on the radio and no one can actually SEE who's singing it, there would be a lot of people who love the song. Afterwards when they find out about the singer, they won't be so prejudiced.

I don't know why you guys are whining since you're the ones who randomly brought up DK and Girlicious, claiming just how "popular" they are in the states when one group has disbanded and the second is basically unknown.
And my bad I couldn't reply right after your posts... I know it's hard to believe but some of us have actual lives to lead rofl.

Well, you're trying to insult people and whatnot, but you're also contradicting yourself. You're not the kind of person who can really imply that posting regularly on a forum means "you have no life", since you have...how many? 4,370 posts? I mean I don't have the most interesting life offline but I have yet to hit 1000 posts on any forum, no matter how long I stayed or how much I loved the forum. Anyway my whole point is, stop trying to be rude and to insult others personally. If you don't like something a person said, fine. But you don't have to insult the person. And NO, having 4,370 or even more posts than that does NOT mean you don't have a life. It just means you wanted to spend more time on the forum...because you love it. End of story

[Swtess]

^ Frankly, I don't see how she's going around insulting people or even attempting to do so.
She stated her opinion and people continued to reply back so of course she's gonna bite back and state her own opinions.
Forums are meant for debate and it makes an interesting read.
Only problem I see here is why are DK and PCD in here.
BTW Kissez nice going! Its always fun to read you against all others in threads.

I really like Come Back to Me and she has a really good voice, but one of her lives on one of the american early shows sounded awful.
If they want to get her out there then pump in the promotions and pay for radio plays.
Frankly, I've still heard squats about any of their debutes

[dramaprincessxox]

^ Frankly, I don't see how she's going around insulting people or even attempting to do so.
She stated her opinion and people continued to reply back so of course she's gonna bite back and state her own opinions.
Forums are meant for debate and it makes an interesting read.
Only problem I see here is why are DK and PCD in here.
BTW Kissez nice going! Its always fun to read you against all others in threads.

I really like Come Back to Me and she has a really good voice, but one of her lives on one of the american early shows sounded awful.
If they want to get her out there then pump in the promotions and pay for radio plays.
Frankly, I've still heard squats about any of their debutes

Hi there, welcome! So will you be a regular poster or will you be returning to read-only mode after this??! It's nice to meet one of the wonderful, friendly people who read our daily rantings.

[zeidrich]

Anyway, in my opinion Utada is most likely to succeed. And if she doesn't then the others really don't stand a chance, except Se7en--MAYBE. No, not Charice, certainly NOT BoA and NOT Rain.

I feel a little sorry for Charice because her voice is good. But she will not make it because her voice is all she's got, the rest of the package is missing. And then her being Filipina also goes against her in Hollywood. Yeah, her voice is great, but there are scores of American girls with voices just as good, and they're beautiful too. So Charice should enjoy the popularity and more importantly, make as much money as possible until her popularity fades away.

im just chilling here and reading stuff, listening to Misia(even thou i cant understand what she is saying) and you just turned on your charice bash mode again so i need to reply to this one and then go back to hybernation again.

First of all being an asian is the major dis-advantage that this singers are not successful in the US so dont just say that only charice have a disadvantage of being a filipina, just like you said "come back to me" is a great song but its still not clicking in the US as of now,this is because of lack of promotion, they cant even guest on the popular TV shows and combined with minimum radio play and no US tour with the combination of not being an american, it will really not look good. But in my opinion charice is excluded in this lack of promotion problem because she can guest anytime w/ the help of her team. And just like what you say,you agreed that she is popular right now so she just need to take advantage of that popularity she have now in the US and turns it into sales in her album. So i dont really understand on how charice have no chance if she is already known here while you said that Utada got a chance while she is not even known here.

And your comment on charice only have the voice, No offense to the other singers but that voice is the only one that is being noticed in the US at the moment, Remember charice basically started her career in the US(Ellen and Oprah guesting), so i can assume that most of charice fans comes from the US.
And while beauty is a factor for the girls and kids, this is just for 12-25 age, there are other age group,
do you know that there are also the 30 and above? w/c dont have a shallow mind which the kids have nowadays, this age group mostly search for an inspiration and admire a good voice.

Remember, she was considered amazing ONLY because she was singing so well at a young age. Nothing else is extraordinary about her, and when she hits 18, it'll be over. She'll be a normal girl who can sing. That's it. She doesn't have that long anymore. and well, with prodigies like this 10-year old girl around, Charice wouldn't shine so much anymore...she's no longer amazing because she's almost an adult anyway.

And i dont know on why are you talking about age and 18 while she will be releasing her album on the age of 17 so this is irrelevant. And DF will be happier when she turns 18, DF even said that he plans on making her debut album when she turns 18 because DF wants to introduce her as an adult but because of the demand, DF is forced to make it a little bit earlier.
Article - DF talking about charice making an album when she turns 18 - This is from DF himself, so this is his original plan. He want charice to be an adult singer.


Just what im saying sometime ago, if you want to introduce some artist
http://www.youtube.com/ <<<<<<<<< use this

And if you can find some prodigy who is can sing better than this version:
The BodyGuard(medley)
Listen
dont be shy to post it.

[ms.incredible]

Sweetie, I understand what you meant but you clearly couldn't comprehend what I was getting at.
PCD pulled in over 7 million world wide (first album) - both of Danity Kanes album sales (domestic and international) combined can't add up to that, or even come close.
And if you're talking about loyal fans, I've got to say that you've got to be pretty loyal to purchase PCD's new album which is absolute crap.
I don't know how you're gauging fanbase loyalty but the way I see it, the one who's making bank is the one with the "loyal" fanbase.

PCD's second album pulled in over 1 million sales world wide anyway.
So even if there was a dip in "loyalty", it seems they still have some pretty loyal fans, don't they?
I don't know why you guys are whining since you're the ones who randomly brought up DK and Girlicious, claiming just how "popular" they are in the states when one group has disbanded and the second is basically unknown.
And my bad I couldn't reply right after your posts... I know it's hard to believe but some of us have actual lives to lead rofl.

Obviously you didn't if you're still harping on *gasp* 7 million sold, oh my. Maybe someone else can break it down in simpler terms for you. I've can't make it any easier. you still don't get it and I've lost interest. So.....

Well, you're trying to insult people and whatnot, but you're also contradicting yourself. You're not the kind of person who can really imply that posting regularly on a forum means "you have no life", since you have...how many? 4,370 posts? I mean I don't have the most interesting life offline but I have yet to hit 1000 posts on any forum, no matter how long I stayed or how much I loved the forum. Anyway my whole point is, stop trying to be rude and to insult others personally. If you don't like something a person said, fine. But you don't have to insult the person. And NO, having 4,370 or even more posts than that does NOT mean you don't have a life. It just means you wanted to spend more time on the forum...because you love it. End of story

I'm surprised you read that far. I sure as heck didn't. It's obvious kissez has an issue with trying to be right even when she's DEAD wrong. I'm dead @ Ms. 4000+ posts trying to accuse someone else of having no life. LMAOOOOOOOOO I think she has more posts than anyone in here. WTF?!?!

Anyway, on to Utada. I think she could make it. b/c she's signed to a major label. It'll probably take the song a while to catch on b/c it's a slow song. If she wanted attention quicker they should have released something uptempo. Does Utada dance?

Utada's song getting play is why I think SM was trying to get Boa a deal with a label. Only problem is i haven't seen utada promoting it anywhere.

[Xiao Miss]

LOL @ the people thinking David Foster is some kind of "god" or something.

[purpl]

Okay? You guys wanted to stop talking about Charice yet you keep bringing her up because you just LOVE to point out that she doesn't have the looks. You're not even adding anything new to the conversation...certain people are just repeating the same points over and over. We get it. By the way, just one last thing about Charice then can we move on please? DF said that there are a lot of good singers out there (which is true) and they could have a hit record but when you see them perform, it doesn't turn you on...while there's something about Charice with her stage presence and voice that gets to you when you see her sing in person. I guess what he's trying to say is she has that particular charisma which sets her apart.