[nxtlvl]

What do you think of this? I know that many artists (specifically directing at Asians, since I don't know as many unsuccessful artists from other continents) go into America's music industry with high hopes and expectations but return as a flop. The only remotely successful artist I know of is Rain.

IMO, record companies should stop sending so many of their artists to the US because it's surprisingly hard to get into the industry here. Unlike in Asian countries, most of America looks for more talent rather than looks in their artists. So it seems like a clash with Asian expectations, in which beauty often comes before talent. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, since I do like my pretty boybands But yeah, even though many Asian-Americans listen to Asian music, we're still a minority and it's not enough to really get an Asian star up with the A-listers, don't you think?

[yelitoutloud]

I wouldn't really call Rain successful. I mean he was in 2 American films with decent roles for an Asian, then cancelled some concerts and last I heard he came back to Asia. Compared to other Asian artists he's successful but I doubt anyone except Asian Americans have really heard of him and I also kind of doubt he will be successful in America. I don't think any companies should think of debuting their artists in America without perfect english and being part white couldn't hurt either.

I really don't know any successfully debuted Asian in America, except maybe Amerie who's half and I'm sure she's not recognised for her Asian side anyway. I guess actors make it better in America like George Takei and Masi Oka, but they were raised in America so I there's no hope for BoA or Wonder Girls.

[kensamor]

What do you think of this? I know that many artists (specifically directing at Asians, since I don't know as many unsuccessful artists from other continents) go into America's music industry with high hopes and expectations but return as a flop. The only remotely successful artist I know of is Rain.

IMO, record companies should stop sending so many of their artists to the US because it's surprisingly hard to get into the industry here. Unlike in Asian countries, most of America looks for more talent rather than looks in their artists. So it seems like a clash with Asian expectations, in which beauty often comes before talent. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, since I do like my pretty boybands But yeah, even though many Asian-Americans listen to Asian music, we're still a minority and it's not enough to really get an Asian star up with the A-listers, don't you think?

It's because Asian countries are not as diverse as America. We have limited standard as to what beauty is unlike in that part of the world.

[Tahmnong]

I agree, I don't think I'd call Rain successful haha.
Maybe I guess the most successful is Utada Hikaru? Her latest song played a lot on the radio when it first came out. But she was born in America too, and I still don't think her American releases were really enough to bounce her to the top in the US.

I agree with Kensamor's statement about Asia having a far narrower view of beauty than America as well.

[LucasBunny]

What do you think of this? I know that many artists (specifically directing at Asians, since I don't know as many unsuccessful artists from other continents) go into America's music industry with high hopes and expectations but return as a flop. The only remotely successful artist I know of is Rain.

IMO, record companies should stop sending so many of their artists to the US because it's surprisingly hard to get into the industry here. Unlike in Asian countries, most of America looks for more talent rather than looks in their artists. So it seems like a clash with Asian expectations, in which beauty often comes before talent. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, since I do like my pretty boybands But yeah, even though many Asian-Americans listen to Asian music, we're still a minority and it's not enough to really get an Asian star up with the A-listers, don't you think?

I think the forgein stars with the talent and charisma should never give up.

People think america is only about looks but thats not true
look at Thalia, she's huge on the latin scene but her US debut flopped even though she is a beauty and she's married to Tommy Matolla.

[Jaeho]

Just wanted to let you guys know beforehand to keep the discussion on topic and to refrain from member bashing. There was a similar topic like this a few months ago and it turned into a mess. Thanks.

[LazyAzian]

So it seems like a clash with Asian expectations, in which beauty often comes before talent. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, since I do like my pretty boybands

That is a bad thing. You sound really shallow when you say that :S.

In all cultures, it is bad to judge someone's talent based on their looks.

It just means us Asians are even more shallow if looks matter more than talent, and the result would be even worse talent.

In America, personality and talent is greater valued than looks IMO.

But then when you speak of beauty, your competing with real beauties.

Seriously in the beauty and talent department, Hyori Lee versus Beyonce, tsh, easy winner.

It would have to mean foreign artists would have to exceed American standards to get noticed.

Meaning sing with a frisky voice better than Alanis Morisette, be a pop rock princess better than Avril Lavigne, be a versatile bootylicious dancer better than Beyonce, etc.

Which is why I think Charice Pempengco has good chances . Charice's level of singing outperforms even Beyonce, Rihanna,Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera!

In fact her singing has been put on par with Celine Dion and Whitney Houston by David Foster . . . .

[MissLadyBunny]

Really Americans care about talent? Why do we have Brittney Spears on the charts. She can't really sing that good but she is pretty and can sell sex to anyone. The Asians have as much of a chance to make it as Brittney does. I think prettiness takes the cake no matter what music industry country your in. Even Paris Hilton had a song. She can't do anything at all but make bad black light movies.

[moosh!]

^ o_O


but err... i'd totally support the ones who actually try to interact with american producers/choreographers/etc. first and at least gain some training within the us before actually starting on the album and whatnot
so jyp is ridiculously brilliant >:] if min ever decides to come out she'd probably gain alot of attention esp coz of lil jon

[nxtlvl]

That is a bad thing. You sound really shallow when you say that :S.

In all cultures, it is bad to judge someone's talent based on their looks.

It just means us Asians are even more shallow if looks matter more than talent, and the result would be even worse talent.

In America, personality and talent is greater valued than looks IMO.

You do bring up a good point. And yes, I do realize that I put my words into a very negative and ignorant manner (though I don't mean to). Being Asian myself, I'm not saying that all Asian artists are bad and all American artists are great. It's just that it's harder to gain acceptance. But some companies are sending in their artists that may or may not even be ready to venture into a new market. IDK, I guess I'm really just on the fence about the whole scenario.


Singers shouldn't give up. But then again, many of them come into the industry confidently and expecting full blown success because of the success in their native country, and it just sucks if/when it doesn't happen the way they want.

[kensamor]

Really Americans care about talent? Why do we have Brittney Spears on the charts. She can't really sing that good but she is pretty and can sell sex to anyone. The Asians have as much of a chance to make it as Brittney does. I think prettiness takes the cake no matter what music industry country your in. Even Paris Hilton had a song. She can't do anything at all but make bad black light movies.

Let's just say there's more balance in the West comparing to Asia. In there, talents or not, you can make it. It just depends on how you sell yourself. In most parts of Asia, if you're not pretty you're out of the game. Also, Americans' definition of beauty is different from ours. Like I said, they are more exposed to diversity. And yes, I think if they want to hear "outsiders" venture in America, they will be more interested in talented singers. Reason why Charice (who is considered ugly in Asia) is making waves there.

Singers shouldn't give up. But then again, many of them come into the industry confidently and expecting full blown success because of the success in their native country, and it just sucks if/when it doesn't happen the way they want.

Probably because we are sending the "wrong" people. If you know what I mean.

[LucasBunny]

That is a bad thing. You sound really shallow when you say that :S.

In all cultures, it is bad to judge someone's talent based on their looks.

It just means us Asians are even more shallow if looks matter more than talent, and the result would be even worse talent.

In America, personality and talent is greater valued than looks IMO.

But then when you speak of beauty, your competing with real beauties.

Seriously in the beauty and talent department, Hyori Lee versus Beyonce, tsh, easy winner.

It would have to mean foreign artists would have to exceed American standards to get noticed.

Meaning sing with a frisky voice better than Alanis Morisette, be a pop rock princess better than Avril Lavigne, be a versatile bootylicious dancer better than Beyonce, etc.

Which is why I think Charice Pempengco has good chances . Charice's level of singing outperforms even Beyonce, Rihanna,Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera!

In fact her singing has been put on par with Celine Dion and Whitney Houston by David Foster . . . .

Rihanna and Britney yeah
but Christina and Beyonce...I think ur going a lil too far there.

[mintcracker]

That is a bad thing. You sound really shallow when you say that :S.

In all cultures, it is bad to judge someone's talent based on their looks.

It just means us Asians are even more shallow if looks matter more than talent, and the result would be even worse talent.

In America, personality and talent is greater valued than looks IMO.

But then when you speak of beauty, your competing with real beauties.

Seriously in the beauty and talent department, Hyori Lee versus Beyonce, tsh, easy winner.

It would have to mean foreign artists would have to exceed American standards to get noticed.

Meaning sing with a frisky voice better than Alanis Morisette, be a pop rock princess better than Avril Lavigne, be a versatile bootylicious dancer better than Beyonce, etc.

Which is why I think Charice Pempengco has good chances . Charice's level of singing outperforms even Beyonce, Rihanna,Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera!

In fact her singing has been put on par with Celine Dion and Whitney Houston by David Foster . . . .

oh god not charice again
Her singing is SO overrated! She yells and forces her voice, it's so not natural imo
and she's conceited.



In the States it's not all about talent, nor looks
it's a combo of everything, most importantly, you have to have CHARISMA and good ppl backing ya.

[kensamor]

Rihanna and Britney yeah
but Christina and Beyonce...I think ur going a lil too far there.

No, it's true! But of course, I'm biased. And she is talking about vocal power here.

[LazyAzian]

Rihanna and Britney yeah
but Christina and Beyonce...I think ur going a lil too far there.

Err no I am not.

If Charice Pempengco's singing ability is like on par with Whitney Houston and Celine Dion, what makes you think she can't beat Beyonce or Christina?

The thing with Charice though is she's still 16 years old.

Once Charice hits her 20's, dang, she can knock out some crazy powerful notes, they say Christina Aguilera sounds like she swallowed a black woman, well Charice will sound like she swallowed two black women when she finishes puberty.

Charice started hitting Whitney Houston and Celine Dion notes since she was like what, 6 - 7? Charice did it for survival, if she lost singing contest, her family like starved.

[LucasBunny]

No, it's true! But of course, I'm biased. And she is talking about vocal power here.

I don't think she is vocally stronger than Xtina and Beyonce
just because she can hit a higher note doesnt mean anything, Xtina and Beyonce have better control and can maintain it better than Charice.

Is this going to turn into another Charice fangirl thread?
I hope not

Charice is not really on par with Whitney and Celine
listen to "Always Love You" by Whitney
when Charice hit that note it was nowhere and I mean NO WHERE on par with Whitney Houston I am sorry
listen to more Whitney Houston songs plz.

And the whole swallowed black woman thing is retarded and lame whoever came up with that needs to get hit in the face.

[kensamor]

If this becomes a BoA or Utada or WG fangirl thread or whatever and don't like it, I have the option not to go here. It's because I have no control who post in here and what they say.

[LucasBunny]

If this becomes a BoA or Utada or WG fangirl thread or whatever and don't like it, I have the option not to go here. It's because I have no control who post in here and what they say.

That's true but the thread is about people breaking through
and once people start spamming like crazy about their favorite artists, putting down artists to praise another artist the thread gets out of hand which I think will happen just like the last thread.

[mintcracker]

Listening to charice isn't relaxing...
There's some unknown chinese sings that sing much better, and it seems effortless

charice just makes me go eh...she's showing off, she's forcing her voice. AND humility is a good thing, so she needs some of that.

[kensamor]

That's true but the thread is about people breaking through
and once people start spamming like crazy about their favorite artists, putting down artists to praise another artist the thread gets out of hand which I think will happen just like the last thread.

I think the problem starts when someone starts stating his/her opinion and someone right away contradict the person as if her opinion is the only thing that matters. I say Charice vocal ability is better then Beyonce, that's my opinion. That's not putting down Beyonce, I just prefer Charice. What's not proper is to tell people who can post and what they can post here (no insult or whatever though). I say just post away!