[vitalrain]

@lavendah: It might be hard for you to understand or to convince you because I only know how I think, I've never been in anyone else's brain and saw how they view the world. However, you'll just have to believe me when I say I have this instinct feel which doesn't fail me 99% of the time. While we all experience different emotions, and struggle with life, that's not the point. I said it earlier to ShadowMax but I don't like just letting things conveniently fall into place and "just live." I have to complicate things, it's just the way I am. More precisely, I should say I have to think about things to the point where they are complicated, because they are already complicated, I didn't choose to complicate them.

@Fumouffu: The pink text was a...change. I try to be myself most of the time now, I was fake on purpose before because of wanting to be accepted more by people. I said it earlier to someone but posting on forums is a lesser form of social interaction because it doesn't involve body language, the way words are said, etc. You can formulate your thoughts and reply whenever you want. You can also conveniently delete things you change your mind about. Perhaps I've given people a false impression of myself, that I am a complete hikkikomori [Japanese term to describe someone who stays inside all day...I couldn't think of an English term that would describe it better.] I am able to handle social interaction, it just bothers me greatly often, especially when I'm around peers at school.

I'm aware that every human has their own DNA sequencing [putting aside monozygotic twins and clones, that's not the point though] and we're all "different" but at the same time, lots of people will blindly follow other people and jump on whatever bandwagons and trends that are currently 'in' and that quality makes them "the same" to me. For example, how often do you see people wearing something that's currently fashionable even though they never wore it before? I guess I do have a problem with coping and tolerating people, and I set high standards for everyone, including myself, because I believe that most reasons are excuses and humans give up too easily.

@tenken: I don't go out of my way to talk to someone unless I feel like they're worth talking to, but I don't lie either. So if we met in real life and you wanted to ask about something relating to this topic, I'd say exactly what I'm typing. One thing I find interesting is that people tend to be a lot more talkative and honest online because of anonymousity [sp...?] and people tend to get flustered in real life. If you met in real life, I wouldn't be drastically different. People are always too busy, trying to "succeed" and get to the top. Trying to increase the digits in their bank account. I used to be really naive and thought everyone else cared geniunely about other humans like me, but then I realized just how selfish and self centered most people are. I can't understand their way of thinking because I'm naturally soft hearted [which is not a good thing most of the time...but oh well].

For your first point, I said I have this "instinct" feel which doesn't fail me, and you're just going to have to trust me because it appears that people don't know what I'm talking about. It's not the "judging quickly" thing, because I know there's no way you can say you "know" someone in a few days, especially since we aren't even sure of our own thoughts sometimes. However, I can just tell if we're compatible or not. If I were to talk to someone consistently for a month or so, I wouldn't be able to just "drop" them. It has to do with my soft heartedness but I can't cut out people like that.

I think people are too paranoid in general. It's tiring to live thinking everyone has ulterior motives when they talk to you.

@Meenuh: First of all, this is the internet. Miscommunication and misunderstandings are common enough through other means of communication involving body language and voice, but it's even furthered when you're only provided with the text. It's inaccurate to say you're able to get this "vibe" from me. I do whatever I feel like doing on my free time. This may include surfing a few forums, watching anime/dramas, looking up new things I want to learn about, exercising, shopping, playing piano, drawing, taking pictures, my "usual internet things" like email and personal networking sites, writing on xanga, etc. I already said compatibility doesn't have much to do with interests though...or rather, compatibility doesn't necessarily need similar interests to happen. I like being able to organize my time without interference. Also, I'm not stereotyping. Once again, I have a instinct sense that allows me to figure out if I'm compatible with someone or not. I don't know how to further explain this "instinct feel" because it's something that naturally comes to me.

It seems like I'm repeating the same things to several people. I'm tired of typing up repeated text, so I'm only going to respond to people who say something different after this post...

[BAZINGA!]

This too will pass, and you'll grow up.. or maybe not. Lets hope you do.

You can't stand human interaction yet you're on a forum interacting with other humans? huh.

Lol. Funny.

[vitalrain]

^Did you even READ my post? Or any of the posts following?

If you did and that was the only thing you came up with to say, then there's nothing more I have to say to you.

If you didn't, practice reading the entire post before asserting your useless opinion.

[BAZINGA!]

^Did you even READ my post? Or any of the posts following?

I have nothing to say to you .

I read your first post. What I got from it, was that you sound like just a kid going through some phase. And one day perhaps you'll meet people who are different than the ones you know from high school, and you will grow up a little.

I can't be bothered to read all the replies, why would I have to anyways?

LOL @ your edits. Useless? Probably, I wasn't particularly trying to be helpful. Because you are the way you are and you don't find a need to change.

Dang. My bad. I forget you keep saying people are boring, I didn't know you've met everyone in the world. I'm kinda jealous.

[Meenuh]

@Meenuh: First of all, this is the internet. Miscommunication and misunderstandings are common enough through other means of communication involving body language and voice, but it's even furthered when you're only provided with the text. It's inaccurate to say you're able to get this "vibe" from me. I do whatever I feel like doing on my free time. This may include surfing a few forums, watching anime/dramas, looking up new things I want to learn about, exercising, shopping, playing piano, drawing, taking pictures, my "usual internet things" like email and personal networking sites, etc. I like being able to organize my time without interference. Also, I'm not stereotyping. Once again, I have a instinct sense that allows me to figure out if I'm compatible with someone or not. I don't know how to further explain this "instinct feel" because it's something that naturally comes to me.

First of all, no it isn't inaccurate to say that I can get a certain vibe from the things you say. You say it for a reason. Unless you're being fake? I'm just taking everything you say just as it is. It's just my own personal take on your "situation".

Once again, I have a instinct sense that allows me to figure out if I'm compatible with someone or not.

If you say things like this then why is it so hard to accept that people can get certain vibes from the things you say? Maybe I just have this 6th sense to be able to read a person just like you say you do. Lol.

About the whole "vibe" thing, I was merely replying to something someone else wrote. So no, i'm not saying you think you're special. It's just possible to be able to form your own opinions of people with the things they say. You know, kinda like how you say that

I just feel like everyone's a clone with no personality or thoughts of their own...people bore me and I can't stand the way they think.

. Atleast people can make assessments on others with the things they say. You, just right off the bat, assume that everyone is a clone and has no personality or own thoughts.

I didn't say you were stereotyping. All i'm saying is by Mannosuke's logic, it can be applied to you as well.

Judging by the things you like to do on your free time it sounds like you're just like any other person. I think everybody likes to organize their time without interference. You aren't that different from the rest of us. Stop trying to make yourself out to be the black sheep.

[jennych]

hey tbh ive been thinking like that as well, like i feel as though people dont say what they actually think but then neither do i.. its necessary to be fake sometimes in order to not have huge fights and conflicts etc i dont really like to party and go out, i actually prefer to shop, watch films etc by myself but if my friends invite me out then ill go with them cos its nice of them to ask me and i dont wanna be a total social outcast lol i dont really tlk much to my friends either, i might say something funny, like some other poster here has said, ande they laugh and its ay ok lol one time a friend said to me 'you should talk more, youre really funny' and i sometimes resent myself for not talking more and being more open but thats me i guess. i think as long as you arent disrespectful to people, listen to what people have to say, when they talk to you answer them politely, if you dont agree then say something like 'yeah i see what you mean but etc' the key thing is is to not be rude.. you can learn alot from other people.. bascially what everyone else has said, just be yourself without hurting others im going to uni soon and im kinda worried i wont make friends since its all about partying and getting drunk o.O but hopefully id find ppl who dont like that sorta stuff either haha

[Tuffcore]

Maybe a case of Introversion or some mild case of APD. More likely introversion i suspect. Just generally more comfortable being alone. Can tire out easily with too many people around. Where an extrovert gains energy with more people around, an introvert tires out and needs days, if not weeks, to recharge after a long social gathering.

[xMYOOx]

ok so i've been following what your responses, and i guess this probably isn't just a 'teenage angst phase' for you? you seem so staunch on being alone. it's really odd to me o___O don't take offense to this!!! but have you seen a therapist or psychiatrist? i once knew this boy who insisted on being cooped up in his room to avoid social interaction; he even dropped out of school. turns out he had some sort of mental condition that they haven't figured out yet. and just the way he described 'people' sounds SO similar to the way you describe them. o_O

o-O' i think he hit it on the head. if not, what did i mean? o-o'

oh! nvm i reread what he wrote. i just thought it was another snarky response -.-;

[BAZINGA!]

Maybe a case of Introversion or some mild case of APD. More likely introversion i suspect. Just generally more comfortable being alone. Can tire out easily with too many people around. Where an extrovert gains energy with more people around, an introvert tires out and needs days, if not weeks, to recharge after a long social gathering.

Maybe. But even introverts like companionship, no? At least the introverts I know do.

[vitalrain]

@triple: What's your definition of "growing up?" What exactly does it consist of? Also, I don't believe in phases.

@Meenuh: You are assuming the reasons I'm saying the things I'm saying, which is inaccurate. It's like if a son kills his mother..your initial reaction might be "that's horrible" but who knows all of the things that have happened to produce the result? Your "vibe" thing and my "instinct" thing are a bit different, I think...once again, because this is the internet where you only have the text, not the voice/body language etc. It's easy to be misunderstood with text alone. I'm saying that, from my experience, the majority of people I've encountered fall into the clone category. I've explained why I think so in a previous post. Why would someone's interests dictate what kind of person they are and the way they think? o.O Do you think someone has to have interests no one else has to be "different and special?" In other words, are you saying that people who have the same interests are alike? Because people who have the same interests aren't necessarily compatible or similar, aside from those interests.

@Tuffcore: It's possible being an introvert might be part of the reason, but not the complete reason.

@xMYOOx: I'm not offended at all, lol. I have been to a psychiatrist twice for reasons completely different from this topic, but that doesn't have to do with this thread. I don't intend on dropping out of school, because logically, I believe I should go to school to contribute towards the probability of having a easier time finding a job I like that will ease my financial stress for the time being as well, and even if I don't feel like going to school, my mind won't allow me to drop out...although I've never even considered it seriously.

[Tuffcore]

Maybe. But even introverts like companionship, no? At least the introverts I know do.

Maybe it's a case of extreme introversion.

- don't enjoy social gatherings
- don't enjoy partying on the weekends
- don't make new friends easily
- don't like to draw attention to self
- very quiet around strangers
- tires out quickly when with a large group of people
- gains energy while being alone
- likes to do everything independently
- loves spending time alone

They are not alone. Many people are the same.

[vitalrain]

@Tuffcore: If an introvert if someone who has those characteristics, then I'm an introvert by your definition. However, that doesn't really tell me anything. I feel that most of the fancy names doctors/scientists come up with used to describe a "condition" or type of person with an "illness" are just there to solve the problem in an easier fashion. It's much easier to say someone has X mental illness and give them medication or just let them use it as an excuse to be okay with it. That doesn't directly have to do with this topic though...because I'm okay with being the way I am. Giving a label to a group of personality traits doesn't do anything though :S

[Meenuh]

@Meenuh: You are assuming the reasons I'm saying the things I'm saying, which is inaccurate. It's like if a son kills his mother..your initial reaction might be "that's horrible" but who knows all of the things that have happened to produce the result? Your "vibe" thing and my "instinct" thing are a bit different, I think...once again, because this is the internet where you only have the text, not the voice/body language etc. It's easy to be misunderstood with text alone. I'm saying that, from my experience, the majority of people I've encountered fall into the clone category. I've explained why I think so in a previous post. Why would someone's interests dictate what kind of person they are and the way they think? o.O Do you think someone has to have interests no one else has to be "different and special?" In other words, are you saying that people who have the same interests are alike? Because people who have the same interests aren't necessarily compatible or similar, aside from those interests.

If a son kills his mother it doesn't make the act any less "horrible" because of the reason. The act itself is horrible.

Trust me. I know exactly what you mean by the whole "instinct" thing. So no, no matter how much you tell me that i'm not properly understanding the things you are saying (just because there is a lack of vocal communication/body language) I have to disagree.

I'm not saying that because of interests you will be compatible with people with like interests. I'm saying that you sound like any other human being. There are many different types of people in this world and not all of them are extremely social creatures. I am an introvert myself. I don't want company from mass amounts of people and i'm fine with it. I spent the vast majority of my younger years by myself and not opening up to people. I liked being by myself and had the same thoughts as you. I'm a good listener but I don't tell people much about myself.

I don't see why you think you need to change yourself. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be friends with everyone. Like I said, you sound completely normal to me. It just sounds like you're trying to make yourself out to be the black sheep. Trying to make yourself different than everyone else. A lot of people on this thread already have expressed the same views as you have. If you're 20+ maybe you should try posting this in the 20+ section and see what types of responses you get. There are quite a few people that post there that are just like you.

[Tuffcore]

@Tuffcore: If an introvert if someone who has those characteristics, then I'm an introvert by your definition. However, that doesn't really tell me anything. I feel that most of the fancy names doctors/scientists come up with used to describe a "condition" or type of person with an "illness" are just there to solve the problem in an easier fashion. It's much easier to say someone has X mental illness and give them medication or just let them use it as an excuse to be okay with it. That doesn't directly have to do with this topic though...because I'm okay with being the way I am. Giving a label to a group of personality traits doesn't do anything though :S

What i'm trying to illustrate is that you don't have an illness. Introversion is a personality trait and there's nothing wrong with it, nothing wrong with your brain. Only thing is, you're missing out on the opportunities that social interaction can bring such as,

- financial interests through connections and network of friends
- academic achievements, sharing ideas, thoughts, knowledge, etc
- mental stimulus and growth only possible through social interactions
- experience in dealing with social issues
- etc.

If i read your original post correctly, then it means you sort of want to change if further introversion doesn't lead you to future income and well-being. Well, luckily, there are ways to change if you are interested. Like, this website for example (and countless others via google)
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/h...t-to-extrovert/

[vitalrain]

@Meenuh: I see. I conclude that you think that "rules should be followed, even if the reason the person has for breaking the rule has done good, it doesn't change the fact that the rule was broken and punishment should be dished out." Do you think killing is always wrong because it is killing, putting aside the reasons? I can see the logic behind that...but unfortunately, things aren't always ideal, which is why I think each situation should be analyzed individually before you come up with a conclusion...considering all of the factors, each person involved, the people who influenced that person, the things that happened between them, and in their lives separately. Even then, it's impossible to know everything, and you can only do the best you can with the information you extract...and then people will reach different conclusions as to why the incident resulted in what it was. It's so complicated :\.

Hmm, I'll try wording it this way. I am like "any other human being" in that I have interests, and some of those interests with other people's interests. However, that's not important to me. What's important to me if how simple or detailed their thought process is, and how much thought they put into something before coming to a conclusion. Truthfully, there are too many ways you can argue about the same thing continually...which is why I like to say that being "right" is never for certain. Unless you're stating something such as "I ate a peach 10 minutes ago." but it would only be "right" in how we perceive the world and the "truths" of the universe we've come to accept. I've had one realization in my life which contradicted almost everything I thought was true before about "the world." and I'm sure it'll happen many times in the future again...

I don't want to change myself. The original reason I created this thread was to ask for ways to cope with being around masses of people...but it has deviated to other things. I don't mind though, because it's been interesting to read replies and respond, and I wasn't expecting any answers that will help me dramatically anyways.

@Tuffcore: Informing me that I'm an introvert by definition doesn't help me though, because I'm already aware I have those personality traits. However, I don't think it's proper to label me as an introvert because I also have personality traits that contradict those ones, and unless there is a solid, universal definition, it's not very precise. That's another thing I wish would occur more often, universal definitions. Instead, everyone has read a tweaked version, and this creates even more problems when people try to discuss these things. I have many "acquaintainces" who I make superficial conversation with at school [you know, talking about "safe" and shallow topics that everyone can relate to] and I suppose a bigger social network would be useful "just in case" I needed something, although most of the time I haven't.

[Meenuh]

@Meenuh: I see. I conclude that you think that "rules should be followed, even if the reason the person has for breaking the rule has done good, it doesn't change the fact that the rule was broken and punishment should be dished out." Do you think killing is always wrong because it is killing, putting aside the reasons? I can see the logic behind that...but unfortunately, things aren't always ideal, which is why I think each situation should be analyzed individually before you come up with a conclusion...considering all of the factors, each person involved, the people who influenced that person, the things that happened between them, and in their lives separately. Even then, it's impossible to know everything, and you can only do the best you can with the information you extract...and then people will reach different conclusions as to why the incident resulted in what it was. It's so complicated :\.

Hmm, I'll try wording it this way. I am like "any other human being" in that I have interests, and some of those interests with other people's interests. However, that's not important to me. What's important to me if how simple or detailed their thought process is, and how much thought they put into something before coming to a conclusion. Truthfully, there are too many ways you can argue about the same thing continually...which is why I like to say that being "right" is never for certain. Unless you're stating something such as "I ate a peach 10 minutes ago." but it would only be "right" in how we perceive the world and the "truths" of the universe we've come to accept. I've had one realization in my life which contradicted almost everything I thought was true before about "the world." and I'm sure it'll happen many times in the future again...

I don't want to change myself. The original reason I created this thread was to ask for ways to cope with being around masses of people...but it has deviated to other things. I don't mind though, because it's been interesting to read replies and respond, and I wasn't expecting any answers that will help me dramatically anyways.

Oh jeez. Who said anything about

"rules should be followed, even if the reason the person has for breaking the rule has done good, it doesn't change the fact that the rule was broken and punishment should be dished out."

The act of killing someone is horrible. Is that not true? You've completely got me mixed up. You're making assumptions.

A person's thought process is probably a lot more complicating than you'd think it would be. For a normal person to come to a certain conclusion can take a lot of different thoughts and to you it would just be merely "a conclusion". No matter how much you try and pick someone's brain and "thought process" to a tee you will never be able to. All you see is their conclusion. So it sounds like you're more interested with the "reason" than you are with the "result" of one's actions. Judging by your example about killing, the assumption you made, and because of your stressed importance of "thought processes".

I see two things you can do. Learn to cope with it yourself (like I have) or find that someone that will help you cope with it. I panic when I am put on the spot and I panic when I am around a lot of people. You just need to learn to get your mind off of it. I'd like to think of you as a strong and independent person. If you are, then it's really an issue of you becoming strong enough to cope with certain unpleasant situations.

[Tuffcore]

@Tuffcore: Informing me that I'm an introvert by definition doesn't help me though, because I'm already aware I have those personality traits. However, I don't think it's proper to label me as an introvert because I also have personality traits that contradict those ones, and unless there is a solid, universal definition, it's not very precise. That's another thing I wish would occur more often, universal definitions. Instead, everyone has read a tweaked version, and this creates even more problems when people try to discuss these things. I have many "acquaintainces" who I make superficial conversation with at school [you know, talking about "safe" and shallow topics that everyone can relate to] and I suppose a bigger social network would be useful "just in case" I needed something, although most of the time I haven't.

Certainly, there are varying levels of introversion and the definition allows for diversity within the category. Everybody is unique in their own ways afterall. Anyways, check out the link i posted if you think it applies,
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/h...t-to-extrovert/

[joogrlpekaun]

The most ironic thing you've posted so far is how you don't think other people care as genuinely about people as you do, and yet you also say you can't stand other people and think they're boring, fake clones. It's a bit of a contradiction.

I'm going to agree with the people who say you seem to judge too harshly, too quickly. Yes, you may be right a large percentage of the time in your judgments, and not every person is especially interesting or compatible, but as you yourself have pointed out, not everyone is upfront right from the start. So, if most people tend to be at least a bit fake in their regular dealings with other people and reserve their "real" selves for inside themselves or only with close friends, then how do you actually know who the real person is after fifteen seconds? Or rather, let me put it this way instead: how do you even actually KNOW that your quick judgment was right if you never got past the superficial facade that most people put up with strangers and mere acquaintances? Most people are not genuine all the time because there's no reason to spill your guts and reveal all of your thoughts and feelings with everyone you meet (it's not advisable to be one hundred percent yourself in the working world, actually, because your real thoughts are often not as professional as the behavior you actually exhibit at work). You have to actually open a book to read it, and I don't mean just reading the title page. Don't be lazy based on past experience or you might let a good match float right past you. You are setting everyone around you up to fail your tests.

As for everyone else being the same, I think, from the descriptions of the behaviors that you hate and just don't relate to, that you have fallen into the trap of equating "the majority of people" with "people in general." Trust me, there are MANY people who don't like constant chatter, prefer to keep their friendships lowkey rather than hang out all the time, and don't enjoy conventional partying. This isn't the type of information about someone that always comes out at a glance (see previous paragraph). In fact, the people more compatible with you are likely to be the ones who are the least noticeable. I dislike pretty much everything you've described myself when it comes to how to enjoy oneself, and I am also an introvert who loves to have lots of alone time, but I have never had a problem finding compatible friends. You have to want to find them and look in the right places, that's all. It's absolutely worth it when you find those people who are on a compatible wavelength.

That said, there's nothing wrong with liking to hang out by yourself. Introverts get a bad rap, but it's fine to not be around peers all the time. It's fine to have different ideas of fun than most of the people around you, too. To address your actual question, my advice is just to not be so analytical when dealing with people all the time. If you're not actually dealing with someone with potential friendship in mind, then there's no need to constantly think "Wow, we are so not on the same wavelength." Just deal with what the other person presents you with when you have to deal with others, try not to let your negative inner thoughts or arrogance interfere (don't think "This person doesn't think as deeply as I do" all the time even if it's true), and get it over with. Then go do whatever you want to do by yourself when you don't have to deal with others and don't feel like doing so. It's like when you're afraid to do something or don't want to do anything else because you don't like it: the more you get bogged down in thinking about it, the bigger a deal and the worse it seems.

If you do decide you want to make friends, then my advice is to pick someone who's closer than average to your idea of a good friend for you, even if he or she doesn't seem to fit exactly, and to still place the doubts about your compatibility in the back of your mind and keep them there for a trial period. If it doesn't pan out, no problem, just give up on being friends, but it's not always easy to tell the real person without knowing someone. It sounds like you want a fellow introvert who thinks more than she talks, and those are exactly the sort of people who don't show who they really are on the surface and often don't initiate interactions themselves. They may be very forthright when contact is initiated, but they don't decide to draw out other introverts all the time--especially other introverts who seem to think that other people are not worth their time. If you can't stand loud, hypersocial people, then avoid them and look at the less obvious people. Also, as others have pointed out, there are actually many people who think almost exactly like you, which means there should be other people out there with whom you have common ground to find and could come to an understanding.

[vitalrain]

@Meenuh: Murder is a very complicated subject. Alright then, so you've said that the act of killing is horrible. Murder isn't a pleasant thing, but whether it's "appropriate" is different thing...which would branch into a whole new debate. I apologize for the assumptions I made without sufficient information. I disagree with how you think many people think about things thoroughly before reaching a conclusion. If you someone a simple question, they will most likely give you a short answer without explaining any further. It's possible that they have thought about this question before and had a thorough "thought process" before reaching the "short answer." But it is unlikely. Ask them to explain why, and they'll probably only give you a few sentences.

What you said was what I would most likely have ended up having to do regardless, because I don't think I will suddenly have a change of heart and like/tolerate everyone, so when I'm forced to face those situations [ex. when school starts] I'll just have to "deal with it." Perhaps it has to do with trying to block out unpleasant things and conciously not allowing my concentration to be diverted. Harder than it sounds though.

[Meenuh]

@Meenuh: Murder is a very complicated subject. Alright then, so you've said that the act of killing is horrible. Murder isn't a pleasant thing, but whether it's "appropriate" is different thing...which would branch into a whole new debate. I apologize for the assumptions I made without sufficient information. I disagree with how you think many people think about things thoroughly before reaching a conclusion. If you someone a simple question, they will most likely give you a short answer without explaining any further. It's possible that they have thought about this question before and had a thorough "thought process" before reaching the "short answer." But it is unlikely. Ask them to explain why, and they'll probably only give you a few sentences.

What you said was what I would most likely have ended up having to do regardless, because I don't think I will suddenly have a change of heart and like/tolerate everyone, so when I'm forced to face those situations [ex. when school starts] I'll just have to "deal with it." Perhaps it has to do with trying to block out unpleasant things and conciously not allowing my concentration to be diverted. Harder than it sounds though.

It is an extremely complicated subject. Of course there are many different reasons as to why someone may feel the need to kill another human being. Exactly as you have stated, the issue of whether murder is appropriate is a completely different subject.

When you ask someone to explain a thought process it's a lot harder than it seems. I know there are plenty of times where people ask me to explain how I came to certain conclusions and i'll draw a blank. I have so many different thoughts whizzing through my head it's diffiicult for me to pin point what exact path my thoughts took. Besides, who is to say whether a certain person's thought process was thorough or not? To them it may be thorough and that's assuming they had other thoughts that helped them reach a conclusion that they weren't able to remember. It's happened to me plenty of times. I'm sure there have been plenty of people that saw me the way you see other people. "Not thinking things through thoroughly" but I do.

In any case, it seems like this whole thing is going off topic now so lol i'm gonna stop posting here. If you want to chit chat more about this feel free to PM me.