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#1 User is offline   Mannosuke 

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 11:01 PM

They say it's wrong to force your own opinions on others, but to what extent?

Facts? The world is flat.
Opinions? Megan fox is not attractive.
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#2 User is offline   Plissken 

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 11:41 PM

Well, you can't really force an opinion on someone...they have to accept it themselves.
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Posted 01 August 2009 - 04:57 AM

in my case, its to the extent of being really annoying lol.

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 11:38 AM

unless its something i believe is completely irrational, like a friend is obsessing over a guy/girl i think is totally inapt......... then i will

other than that hardly ever
i don't want people trying to change my opinion..... so i won't change others....
just respect each others opinions and its straight
i mean you don't neeed the same opinions to be friends or w/e
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 11:44 AM

i try to convert people. if they don't i keel them.
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 12:27 PM

In most cases - for me - forcing your ideals on someone deals with religion.
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 12:56 PM

lol, i get so annoyed when people try to convert me into their religions. [usually christians, other religions don't seem to try and recruit.. they just accept people who want to join]

One of my friend's mom came over to our home once, and was telling my mom how great having faith in God was and stuff like that, trying to convert my mom, and i was just thinking "omfg, no she didn't!!!" lol. my mom told me about it, i wasn't actually there.


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Posted 03 August 2009 - 01:04 PM

I thought you were talking about boyfriends. xD
Don't change him, EXchange him (:
I think I saw that on TV before, it somehow works with this topic. If you don't like what someone does or w/e just find someone else / :
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 01:41 PM

Well I personally think it's really annoying. I would never try forcing any of my ideals or whatever onto others. Only time I try forcing is when someone is being stupid, like getting drunk every weekend.

One of my friends is very blunt, critical, and stubborn and she constantly tries forcing her perspective of what is physically attractive on to me. It's really annoying and bothers me especially since she finds people such as Angelababy ideal looking....
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 02:09 PM

I only get really irritated if it's about religion.
some other stuff I can put up with.
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 05:02 PM



People can tell me whatever they like; i suppose one could say im "open-minded" because of that.

But just because I am willing to listen doesn't mean i allow them to influence me. i already have plentyyy of ideals~no need to go around picking up more from random, indoctrinating folk.

i am conscious of how judgmental i sound when i give my beliefs and opinions, so no one's ever really called me out for "forcing my ideals" on them. But, even if i were, i feel that most people have the free will and enough intelligence [at least i should hope so] to hold their own. In that case, complaining and getting pissy over being forcefed ideals would cease to be an issue.

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 06:27 PM

If the ideals are a complete contradiction to my own then naturally I'd get annoyed. But that's fine, I guess its only really bad when they "talk" about their ideals when they know it might start an argument.
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 07:58 PM

i never force my ideal on others.
but if someone gets me started on a topic that i am very
strong & one-sided on i will defend til the death.
i wont force my ideals on to the other person but i will try
to make sure that they cant be against it.
i dont care if they dont care or think otherwise about it cuz thats their fault but
i will not tolerate them arguing that what i think is the wrong thing.

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (Mannosuke @ Aug 1 2009, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They say it's wrong to force your own opinions on others, but to what extent?

Facts? The world is flat.
Opinions? Megan fox is not attractive.


i don't think it's [insert adverb here] wrong to force one's ideals on others, regardless of extent. what makes it right or wrong is how this forcing is being received by the other person, and it's all semingly wrong because most of the people (at least that i know) would refuse these ideals being forced to them so as it may seem that they are being corrected. and that sometimes is annoying. but ultimately, if saying that act is wrong, that is subjective.

on a personal note, i don't want people to force ideals to me, and i don't force ideals to other people.
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 09:17 PM

my friend is a HARDCORE Christian... and she forces it on everyone all the time...
she has strong beliefs about no sex before marriage and she even tells her friends that if we dare have sex before marriage she would unfriend us. lol.
errmmm it only bothers me when people force religion stuff on me... like that..... but most other things I just brush off.
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 09:36 PM

I think it's wrong to force in ideals on other people, but you, as everyone else should keep an open mind.

I like what Socrates did; instead of forcing his ideas on someone, he just asked them questions, forcing them to find their own truth. He would play dumb, just to make the person bring out what the believe is true.

Many teachers use the "socratic seminar" style of teaching, where they play dumb, asking students questions and never saying an opinion, only asking asking asking, and allow the students to argue it out, and along they way discover what they really believe!

Socrates was a genius, but he always said "All I know, is I know nothing"

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 09:59 PM

Aughhh. I hate it when people try to force their religion on you. It's so annoying. From my experience, only Christians and atheists have done so, but I'm sure other religions are like so. I have Christian friends, but they're not like that. Many of them swear often.

Other than religion, everything else I think I'm okay with. I enjoy debating with my friends over trivial things, but saying Megan Fox isn't attractive is just outrageous. =]

So yeah, expressing your opinion and arguing is fine. Actually, I'd get pissed if you didn't. I hate it when I talk to my friends about something, and they just automatically agree with me. Or anyone in general. I greatly dislike pushovers. Here's how a typical conversation goes with my pushover friends:

Me: So do you like A better or B?
Her: Uh.. I don't know, what about you?
Me: A.
Her: Oh yeah, I can totally see why you would, lol. A is way better than B.

Argh. >_____>" And she wants to take the same classes as me and the same clubs. I mean, seriously, take the class or join the club because YOU want to, not so you can stalk your friends. And she always listens to what her parents say, and she always does what they want. She does things because other people want her to do so, not necessarily because she wants to. Geez. I wish she'd grow her own brain. =_____=

QUOTE (jaeisDBSKlove @ Aug 3 2009, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it's wrong to force in ideals on other people, but you, as everyone else should keep an open mind.

I like what Socrates did; instead of forcing his ideas on someone, he just asked them questions, forcing them to find their own truth. He would play dumb, just to make the person bring out what the believe is true.

Many teachers use the "socratic seminar" style of teaching, where they play dumb, asking students questions and never saying an opinion, only asking asking asking, and allow the students to argue it out, and along they way discover what they really believe!

Socrates was a genius, but he always said "All I know, is I know nothing"

Oh, he did that? Very cool. =)
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE (jaeisDBSKlove @ Aug 4 2009, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it's wrong to force in ideals on other people, but you, as everyone else should keep an open mind.

I like what Socrates did; instead of forcing his ideas on someone, he just asked them questions, forcing them to find their own truth. He would play dumb, just to make the person bring out what the believe is true.

Many teachers use the "socratic seminar" style of teaching, where they play dumb, asking students questions and never saying an opinion, only asking asking asking, and allow the students to argue it out, and along they way discover what they really believe!

Socrates was a genius, but he always said "All I know, is I know nothing"


Then I must be a genius as well cause I always say "All I know, is what I know"
But this approach makes sense, people generally won't take it the wrong way when you phrase it as a question.

However when I ask questions, I'm not "playing dumb", they are genuine questions.

In an ideal situation, I ask a question, and you would respond with some intellectual comment, but in most cases I've been confronted with "are you stupid?" Why yes, yes I am, do provide an answer to the question in addition to such positive feedback so I can be enlightened.
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 12:58 AM

its their opinion, you cannot do anything about it haha
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 02:38 AM

it really bothers me when someone tries to force their opinion/beliefs on me
like really shoving it at me
i know that its probably just because they truly believe in w/e
but i have my own formed opinions and don't really need theirs to have my own?
if that makes sense

i don't mind if they have strong beliefs/ideals that they SHARE with me
and we can discuss about it rather than argue

peoples thoughts will always be interesting and i think that they should are allowed to alter
another person's thoughts because it was of their own will and not because they were pressured into it



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