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#1 User is offline   SheWantTampons 

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 11:58 PM

This is some what a response to another thread “You See an Attractive Stranger, How Do You Start A Conversation”

The following read will be long, be prepared… you have been warned.

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Approaching a stranger is difficult especially when it is someone who is attractive. I used to (and still do) have a problem approaching girls; most of the time I just end up staring at them, which obviously does no good, and be kinda creepy. It’s a combination of not knowing what to say and fear. Some of the fears that I used to have were pretty ridiculous. Every time I wanted to approach a girl, I kept picturing myself getting kicked in the nuts and her pointing her finger and laughing at me.
Some fears I had:
What if she has a bf?
What if I picked a bad day?
What if I get rejected?
What if she doesn’t find me attractive? etc..

Maybe you don’t have the same fears as I do, but the more I think about it, the more I realized I was just limiting myself. Instead of focusing on the positive things that can happen, I somehow allowed myself to believe that bad things were more likely to happen. I decided to do something about it. Most of the fears I had are gone now, and I’d like to share with some of you a few strategies.

One thing to take note is that if you’re shy or can’t approach women, you can’t expect to see a change overnight. It takes gradual steps.

[Strategies]

Warm-Up
- Talk to everyone. Just say Hi to random strangers (even guys). Forget about attractive girls for now. Just practice talking to strangers first.
- Have a small talk with someone. Approach someone and just ask for directions. Ask about a local restaurant that they’d recommend, etc..
- Practice positive thinking. Imagine all the things that can go right. Keep doing this actively. Soon you won’t have negative thoughts to bring you down. Then imagine yourself getting the girl. It should give you motivation.
- When you feel comfortable, start short conversations with attractive girls. Don’t focus on getting numbers or anything just yet. That way you don’t feel pressured or worried.
-Rehearse some common scenarios in your head so that when it actually happens, you will be prepared. If you’re always getting compliments on your cologne, then be prepared for a good response (“Thank you, it’s a new brand that just came out, Skunks… for men.” ) idk, something funny. Be original.
- Watch some good comedies and try to find some good lines to use. Make up some of your own and be prepared to use them. Wit, charm, and humor are your biggest allies!

When you are confident and ready, it’s game time!
[Here are some ideas/examples]
The Hangman Game
Have you ever sat next to a cute girl in class but don’t know how to get to know her? Usually the professor is explaining something so you can’t really talk either. So this is where you have to be a little creative. Take a pen and pencil and try to do something fun. Ideally, you want her to a play a game with you. For example, I would write, ‘hey you looked bored, want to play a game of hangman with me?’ or if she’s not bored, ‘im bored, want to keep me company by playing a game with me?’ Then we start playing hangman, but you want to know her name, so this is your opportunity to use hangman to find out her name. “What is your name?” should be the hangman phrase or something like that. Take an opportunity to tease her on paper too, like saying how she is horrible at the game (even if she isn’t). Just be creative and take it from there.

The I Can’t Find My Way Trick
Lets say you’re in college and need directions (or pretend to need directions) to location XYZ. Ask an attractive girl to help you. If possible, ask her if she can take you there (if you know the distance is short). When she’s done giving you directions, tell her that you knew the directions all along and that you just wanted to talk to her. Don’t tell her that she’s cute, hot, or anything. Let her figure that out. Tell her you want to get to know her when she has free time. Then ask her for her number.

Some Interesting Questions to ask girls
- Have you ever wanted to kiss another girl?
- What do think about girls with plastic surgeries?
- If you found out you had two weeks left to live, what is the one thing you have to do?

Just don’t ask about the weather or anything boring such as survey questions. Never ever. The majority of the convo should be asking them questions, in my opinion. They like to talk…

[Final word]
I’m no expert; these are merely speculations and ideas of a (handsome)19 year old college student who is trying to understand women and narrow the gap. If you have anything to add, then feel free to contribute. Thank you for taking the time to read.

An inspirational quote for men (from Two and a Half Men sitcom)
“If you’re not reaching beyond your grasp, then what’s a penis for?” – Charlie Harper to Alan, appearing to be sexually frustrated with women
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 05:38 AM

Approaching women is not that difficult. Generally if you are approaching women in non bar/club situations during the day time, you can get by with just introducing yourself and go through some light banter and teasing.

The warm up drills you described are particularly helpful, as well. I'm glad you got over your fears, because most of them have nothing to do with you, and cannot be controlled by you.

Just try to avoid the boring interview like questions. Where are you from, how old are you, etc.

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 06:08 AM

Getting over the fears is the main point of it; indeed, people restrict themselves with all these silly stupid questions that are baseless and many times exaggerated. So what if she has a bf? So what if you get rejected? So what if she doesn't find you attractive? I'm sure most people look average and don't particular give off a menacing look.

This applies to girls as well, but there seems to be more reasons why they're not even approaching a guy (pride, "it's not womanly", for example)

lol, I remember our psychology prof telling us how to pick up women. That is excellent application of the stuff you learn.
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 06:11 AM

that was the stupidest thing i've ever read. you're over analyzing everything and these are horrible "strategies".

just be yourself and have some confidence.
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 06:19 AM

QUOTE (Mannosuke @ Aug 10 2009, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol, I remember our psychology prof telling us how to pick up women. That is excellent application of the stuff you learn.


i remember one example was to attend lectures more often, to increase the likelihood of attracting the attention of the opposite sex. or something like that........ lawl whatever.
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 06:30 AM

Lol this stuff is really cute biggrin.gif especially:
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The Hangman Game
Have you ever sat next to a cute girl in class but don’t know how to get to know her? Usually the professor is explaining something so you can’t really talk either. So this is where you have to be a little creative. Take a pen and pencil and try to do something fun. Ideally, you want her to a play a game with you. For example, I would write, ‘hey you looked bored, want to play a game of hangman with me?’ or if she’s not bored, ‘im bored, want to keep me company by playing a game with me?’ Then we start playing hangman, but you want to know her name, so this is your opportunity to use hangman to find out her name. “What is your name?” should be the hangman phrase or something like that. Take an opportunity to tease her on paper too, like saying how she is horrible at the game (even if she isn’t). Just be creative and take it from there.


I didn't know guys had so many fears about approaching girls. Guys shouldn't take it too seriously, it sounds as if: not getting her number = major FAIL FAIL FAIL
Why can't it just be to strike up a friendly conversation? No need to treat it as a big deal.

As for the questions, I agree they shouldn't be boring and dull but:
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- If you found out you had two weeks left to live, what is the one thing you have to do?

Maybe it's just me but I hate it when people ask personal questions like these lol
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 06:32 AM

QUOTE (KanyeWEST @ Aug 9 2009, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
that was the stupidest thing i've ever read. you're over analyzing everything and these are horrible "strategies".

just be yourself and have some confidence.



lol "just be yourself and have confidence" is such generic and unhelpful advice. If those strategies are working for him, more power to the OP!

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 07:08 AM

You can plan out all your strategies and think about it for hours on end, but when you actually approach a girl it goes all out the door. Just be confident, be friendly don't be fake.
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 07:12 AM

QUOTE (iz~zi @ Aug 9 2009, 07:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe it's just me but I hate it when people ask personal questions like these lol


It's almost always a bad idea to ask a question like that. Mostly, because it illicit negative emotions and it's just down right depressing.

The questions you want to be asking should illicit positive happy memories. What are you passionate about, what was the best thing that happened to you this week, and why, what is your favorite childhood memory, etc.

^ This is also known as the rapport building stage.

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 07:39 AM

that was cute to read, but wouldnt work on me.I prefer a guy to be direct and...like a man! With no game plans, strategies and all that jazz.
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 07:45 AM

QUOTE (ax1989 @ Aug 9 2009, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
that was cute to read, but wouldnt work on me.I prefer a guy to be direct and...like a man! With no game plans, strategies and all that jazz.


Most of the guys you (and many other girls) "prefer" have gone through all of these things BEFORE being able to just come at you just like that (not necessarily the "strategies")

Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere, and it takes training to get to where they are.

So maybe if girls could live up their own expectations the world would be a better place. Ironically, the ones that can't make their own moves happen to prefer those that can. Of course, I'm not saying you can't make the move, but this is an observation that can be seen very commonly. Even on these forums.
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 10:54 AM

You make it seem so complicated. But then again, I'm not a guy.
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 11:32 AM

Although your ideas are cute. I can only see them played out by people who already have confidence to approach women. If you take a shy and indecisive guy and teach him a few sleights of hand on how to approach women, he *may* be successful in sparking the interest in a hot girl but ultimately she'll lose interest because he has nothing *solid* about his approach, and once he gets caught off guard it's game over.


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Posted 09 August 2009 - 11:41 AM

QUOTE (p u l c h r i t u d e i c @ Aug 9 2009, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You make it seem so complicated. But then again, I'm not a guy.


Then what do you suggest?
That a guy just pretend to be confident?

QUOTE (gotoAndParty @ Aug 9 2009, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Although your ideas are cute. I can only see them played out by people who already have confidence to approach women. If you take a shy and indecisive guy and teach him a few sleights of hand on how to approach women, he *may* be successful in sparking the interest in a hot girl but ultimately she'll lose interest because he has nothing *solid* about his approach, and once he gets caught off guard it's game over.


Similar to calculus, the first time you do it you're probably just doing some process-work. Eventually, you get the hang of it and your techniques become more concrete and you can even do more things with it.

It's the same thing with approaching women, you start off with basics and then finally decide for yourself which works best for you.
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 12:26 PM

QUOTE (Mannosuke @ Aug 9 2009, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Similar to calculus, the first time you do it you're probably just doing some process-work. Eventually, you get the hang of it and your techniques become more concrete and you can even do more things with it.

It's the same thing with approaching women, you start off with basics and then finally decide for yourself which works best for you.


I see where you are coming from. Although calculus is a universal area of study whereas seduction is much more subjective and internal. I'm not saying shy guys shouldn't take risks until they "get the hang of it and their techniques". I just think people who employ tricks beyond their scope of "the game" come off as trying too hard to take short-cuts to get immediate results.

People have their own style of attracting other that is up to themselves to discover and master.

Confidence is something people build up, I absolutely agree with that. But they do it by going about there and interacting with others, not by following the instructions of a self-help book! =)
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 12:26 PM

this was interesting to read.
I'm a girl so I'll keep an eye out for any guys who pull moves similar to these ones and know that he's interested. LOL
Because I can never tell when guys are interested or just being nice..


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Posted 09 August 2009 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (gotoAndParty @ Aug 9 2009, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I see where you are coming from. Although calculus is a universal area of study whereas seduction is much more subjective and internal. I'm not saying shy guys shouldn't take risks until they "get the hang of it and their techniques". I just think people who employ tricks beyond their scope of "the game" come off as trying too hard to take short-cuts to get immediate results.

People have their own style of attracting other that is up to themselves to discover and master.

Confidence is something people build up, I absolutely agree with that. But they do it by going about there and interacting with others, not by following the instructions of a self-help book! =)


Some people are simply incapable of mustering the creativity and confidence to go out there and improvise, hence the reason why the self-help industry is doing so well. Or at least, it was doing so well when I last did some research on it.

Approaching women may be subjective, but for the most part these methods build up some basic foundations such as actually getting out there with some gameplan in mind and finally being able to come up with their own ideas in the end. That is the ultimate goal: for people to come up with their own "techinques". It's particularly silly when girls read this and take them to heart as well, thinking if a guy does this or that it automatically means he's trying too hard.

People that employ these tricks aren't looking for immediate results, they're building a sequence of events that will eventually lead to the desired results. If anyone is going to go google up "tips to getting women" and expect themselves to get a girl in less than 24 hours, well that's up to them if they're disappointed in the end.

If anything, it's the people that are JUDGING the ones that are looking for advice that are shattering their confidence and any sort of self-esteem they have. So what if someone wants to follow a recipe for disaster? It's how they roll and as long as they get things done, it's better than, for example, the girls that are sitting around doing nothing constantly whining about why the guy just won't make the damn move cause it's so EASY. Do it yourself then if it's so easy! That is the answer to all of life's problems: take matters into your own hands! lol

Now I suppose I should draw an example that's sort of relevant to this whole ordeal, so I will take the example of starcraft and starcraft strategy guides. Many games out there have strategy guides that allow new players (and current players) to try to improve their game play. Obviously these strategies are step-by-step procedures and people just read them and employ them. Does that mean they're "trying too hard" outside of the scope of "THEIR" game? No, they're just looking for ways to improve their game. Eventually they'll think about the strategies they're using and maybe come up with their own style. That is the goal, similar to these "strategies" for approaching women.
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 12:56 PM

QUOTE (Mannosuke @ Aug 9 2009, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Some people are simply incapable of mustering the creativity and confidence to go out there and improvise, hence the reason why the self-help industry is doing so well. Or at least, it was doing so well when I last did some research on it.

Approaching women may be subjective, but for the most part these methods build up some basic foundations such as actually getting out there with some gameplan in mind and finally being able to come up with their own ideas in the end. That is the ultimate goal: for people to come up with their own "techinques". It's particularly silly when girls read this and take them to heart as well, thinking if a guy does this or that it automatically means he's trying too hard.

People that employ these tricks aren't looking for immediate results, they're building a sequence of events that will eventually lead to the desired results. If anyone is going to go google up "tips to getting women" and expect themselves to get a girl in less than 24 hours, well that's up to them if they're disappointed in the end.

If anything, it's the people that are JUDGING the ones that are looking for advice that are shattering their confidence and any sort of self-esteem they have. So what if someone wants to follow a recipe for disaster? It's how they roll and as long as they get things done, it's better than, for example, the girls that are sitting around doing nothing constantly whining about why the guy just won't make the damn move cause it's so EASY. Do it yourself then if it's so easy! That is the answer to all of life's problems: take matters into your own hands! lol

Now I suppose I should draw an example that's sort of relevant to this whole ordeal, so I will take the example of starcraft and starcraft strategy guides. Many games out there have strategy guides that allow new players (and current players) to try to improve their game play. Obviously these strategies are step-by-step procedures and people just read them and employ them. Does that mean they're "trying too hard" outside of the scope of "THEIR" game? No, they're just looking for ways to improve their game. Eventually they'll think about the strategies they're using and maybe come up with their own style. That is the goal, similar to these "strategies" for approaching women.


reminds me of 'A beautiful mind' and economics....where you have to use different game strategies to achieve Nash equilibirium. The outcome of two opposing strategies given that they have knowledge of each other's best moves. So improve your game theory tongue.gif
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 01:09 PM

QUOTE (Mannosuke @ Aug 9 2009, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Some people are simply incapable of mustering the creativity and confidence to go out there and improvise, hence the reason why the self-help industry is doing so well. Or at least, it was doing so well when I last did some research on it.

Approaching women may be subjective, but for the most part these methods build up some basic foundations such as actually getting out there with some gameplan in mind and finally being able to come up with their own ideas in the end. That is the ultimate goal: for people to come up with their own "techinques". It's particularly silly when girls read this and take them to heart as well, thinking if a guy does this or that it automatically means he's trying too hard.

People that employ these tricks aren't looking for immediate results, they're building a sequence of events that will eventually lead to the desired results. If anyone is going to go google up "tips to getting women" and expect themselves to get a girl in less than 24 hours, well that's up to them if they get disappointed.

If anything, it's the people that are JUDGING the ones that are looking for advice that are shattering their confidence and any sort of self-esteem they have. So what if someone wants to follow a recipe for disaster? It's how they roll and as long as they get things done, it's better than the girls that are sitting around doing nothing constantly whining about why the guy just won't make the damn move cause it's so EASY.


Whoa chill out dude.

Whether or not you're trying too pulling off a trick depends on how much confidence you have to begin with. I thought I had made that clear. I was saying that these tricks aren't universal, not pointing a finger at every guy who tries to get a girl's name with a game of hangman and screaming "desperate loser!".

I respect the thread owner for writing about how to build up confidence around women. No need to start an argument with me, I was making a personal statement to warn people who are reading his advice. Because ultimately his advice is how to deal with girls and I am a girl and I see things differently than you guys, call it "judging" if you will.

A guy may think "my tricks are getting her for sure". This is what I mean by immediate result. But the next moment she's not responding because she saw your tricks and realizes you're not the charming guy you've portrayed yourself as.
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Posted 09 August 2009 - 01:14 PM

The Hangman strategy remind me of this one guy in class. I was trying to listen to the most important part and came a note, but not with Hangman, with questions. I didn't want to seem rude so I had to go along worst part was that he had asked for my number after class >.>

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