[HSuke]

I spend a good deal of time on computer discussion forums, and it seems like 95% of visitors completely bash Apple's "Get a Mac" ads. The ads may not be entirely accurate, but they're still pretty funny. Instead of commenting on the ads, those in the forum would remark on how much they hate Macs (i.e. ad hominem attack). Being a PC user myself, I find it quite disgusting when they end up sounding like religious nut cases.

Personally, I enjoy Apple's "Get a Mac" ads. They're witty and catchy. I wish Microsoft would make similar commercials. Instead, the MS Windows ads (e.g. Seinfield & BIll Gates, "I'm a PC" ads) are completely bland and often downright awkward. Watching a retarded kid repeatedly chant "I'm a PC" in front of the screen does not make me want to buy a PC. I'd like to believe that PC users are smarter than that.

Anyways, what do you think of Apple's & Microsoft's ads?

[Xarthan]

I use both and i hate both commercials.

[Danni3]

i highly dislike the mac ads =/ they're terribly inaccurate.

"macs are more stable"
its only because they've simplified the OS so much you can't do anything to crash it

"pc's crash more"
its because we run more tedious programs (memory editing, programing, hacking, multiple OS's, triple booting, direct x 10, quad/tri sli, , server applications and management, and so on...)

"macs are less virus prone, windows are full of trojans"
windows takes up 94% of the OS market, it just makes it more profitable to attack windows based computers, i mean i don't see any mac based servers

"macs are easier to use, pc's are hard"
you're just stupid lol

as you can read i have a strong hatred toward macs and their glorified overpriced computer/os >.> not that windows is any better

[RiderKamen]

When the commercial were cool when they first came out.

Several commercials later, Its seems like Apple is being more malicious towards Windows and doing their best to demonize the PC character lol

[dot1q]

I use both and i hate both commercials.

Agreed~! All Apple and Microsoft commercials are geared toward choosing/discrediting a product for no real tangible reason other than they just can. It's a popularity contest as far as the commercials go.

I'm generally neutral between the two, but I do have bigger qualms with Apple (and its not because of the product itself) in the sense that Apple needs to grow a pair and make OSX available to all hardware. Then we can start comparing oranges to oranges. The Macs image today and appeal is based on being a "niche" and "exclusive". It's sad, but the majority of Mac users just feel like OSX is better and greater because that's the image the product carries and that's what consumers obsess about (whether they realize it or not). I'm not saying OSX is or isn't better, but you need to level the field to do a true comparison. If Apple really wants a battle of the OS's and wants to take a stab against Microsoft in gaining majority market share, they need to come out of their shell. Why don't they? I don't think they want to and they're happy with their targeted market. If OSX was truly indeed that much more superior to Windows as OSX fan boys/girls and these commercials claim, then be willing to back it up and stand up for it by going hardware independent. One doesn't just standby on a sure thing and Apple isn't stupid. If OSX went hardware independent, you better bet Apple would be taking a chance and risk on losing it all (but at the same time they can win it all). Apple needs to bring it.

It's like comparing and buying two different designer handbags. Both excellent products and both having their personal ups and downs which are subjective to the user. Does the Gucci bag fundamentally do anything better or worse than the Louis Vuitton? The end purpose and use is to use them as a "bag" and they both perform that function fine. Sure the pockets and zippers may have different orientations, style/color may be different, but end of the day each holds its' own and provide the same functionality to the user. It's the same with Macs vs PC debate. Use whats comfortable for you because they both perform the same function as a personal computer. Avoid the Apple/Microsoft hype about how one is technically better than the other because it's all nonsense and marketing crap strung up from taking things out of context and going on tangents. End of the day, the real difference is completely subjective to the user's experience and like all things cost.

-"yet another PC vs Mac topic".

[Xarthan]

It's a popularity contest

aka Marketing

[colloquy]

I don't really like either of the commercials, but I think that the Mac ones are probably more watchable than the PC commercials. Microsoft just seems lost in the advertisement department. I've always preferred using Macs myself, even when they weren't that popular, because they were always my preference for movie and graphic editing. I do have Windows installed in my computer, but I'm looking forward for Google to put out their OS.

Now the Iphone commercials... those are REALLYY annoying.

[azn099]

they're funny and all, but meh i have a pc. i'm not getting a mac no matter how funny they make their commercials.

[Xarthan]

Now the Iphone commercials... those are REALLYY annoying.

Why? at least they show you what you can do with the product vs comparing or bashing other ones. *COUGH Palm Pre*

[ginger]

I dislike them. I have a PC that runs helluva lot better than my friends' Macs. It's not like I hate Mac...I mean, I have a million iPods and whatever. If anything, most people dislike the Mac fanatics who rave over how brilliant the product is when they know jack about electronics. For me, it's like Big Bang. I like Big Bang, I just hate the crazy fans.

Apple, we get it. You want to look like a hipster college student one-upping the out of touch business man. Moving on.

-ginger

[Danni3]

Why? at least they show you what you can do with the product vs comparing or bashing other ones. *COUGH Palm Pre*

but the things they show are so overhyped o.O come on now, copy and pasting? smartphones had that since forever, and gps? also forever, music? geez

[colloquy]

Why? at least they show you what you can do with the product vs comparing or bashing other ones. *COUGH Palm Pre*

Idk, the Palm Pre didn't really bother me... but

'There's an app for that'

'There's an app for that'

'And, YEAH, there's an app for THAT.'

Somehow it just really gets on my nerves.

[Xarthan]

but the things they show are so overhyped o.O come on now, copy and pasting? smartphones had that since forever, and gps? also forever, music? geez

So true, I guess what I ment were the apps, lol

Idk, the Palm Pre didn't really bother me... but

'There's an app for that'

'There's an app for that'

'And, YEAH, there's an app for THAT.'

Somehow it just really gets on my nerves.

I wonder if there's an app for that?

[babiloveyoo]

I use both and i hate both commercials.

I agree with you, I agree with you lols.

[pyosin]

Hmmm. I actually like the new DELL commercial. The one with the different colors.
um. yeah.

[x.yoru]

I use both and I like mac commercials.
I think they're funny. XD Or maybe my sense of humour is a little tweaked. :I

I don't really like the pc ones. Where they show someone (or a couple?) going around looking for a laptop under $1000. I mean, yeah there's a lot of options and different price ranges for pc, but the people they choose sound so.... awkward. o_o
and they're kinda boring to watch.

[halfbreed]

It is pretty entertaining to watch, but what's more interesting to me is that people eat all that marketing FUD up like its the truth. Like, for example, the PC has "Viruses, spyware, worms, trojans...." but it's because Apple calls everything that could get into Macs as "Malware" which stands for "Malicious Software." So, the terminology is different... but I saw an interview from one of the Apple Software Developers, their software engineers and not their PR people, the interviewer asked what their definition of "Malware was and he said, Malware is basically, viruses, spyware, trojans, worms, or even java/html exploits. The fact that the newest Mac Software has a built in "Malware Tool" shows that even Macs aren't as safe as their marketing hype is making consumers believe. i even saw a review of Snow Leopard's Malware Tool and it detected a bunch of trojans and malware on a typical Mac. The only thing different is that it tells you it's present on your computer, but it also notifies you that it is "harmless" because it hasn't taken over your computer. But that doesn't mean that it is not sending every information it can get a hold off in your computer. And also, they released the software with compromised Java and html that's 6 months old where exploits can easily be abused.

and lastly... here's the latest review on internet browsing security, the block rate is how many Malware did it block to those having problems with the chart.

[HSuke]

^ Ouch, that says a lot. I still remember how fast it took for the MacBook to get hacked at Defcon. In any case, Safari has a lot worse issues than security ... mainly its lack of built-in functionality and huge footprint. But that's for another topic.

[Trungy]

Agreed~! All Apple and Microsoft commercials are geared toward choosing/discrediting a product for no real tangible reason other than they just can. It's a popularity contest as far as the commercials go.

I'm generally neutral between the two, but I do have bigger qualms with Apple (and its not because of the product itself) in the sense that Apple needs to grow a pair and make OSX available to all hardware. Then we can start comparing oranges to oranges. The Macs image today and appeal is based on being a "niche" and "exclusive". It's sad, but the majority of Mac users just feel like OSX is better and greater because that's the image the product carries and that's what consumers obsess about (whether they realize it or not). I'm not saying OSX is or isn't better, but you need to level the field to do a true comparison. If Apple really wants a battle of the OS's and wants to take a stab against Microsoft in gaining majority market share, they need to come out of their shell. Why don't they? I don't think they want to and they're happy with their targeted market. If OSX was truly indeed that much more superior to Windows as OSX fan boys/girls and these commercials claim, then be willing to back it up and stand up for it by going hardware independent. One doesn't just standby on a sure thing and Apple isn't stupid. If OSX went hardware independent, you better bet Apple would be taking a chance and risk on losing it all (but at the same time they can win it all). Apple needs to bring it.

It's like comparing and buying two different designer handbags. Both excellent products and both having their personal ups and downs which are subjective to the user. Does the Gucci bag fundamentally do anything better or worse than the Louis Vuitton? The end purpose and use is to use them as a "bag" and they both perform that function fine. Sure the pockets and zippers may have different orientations, style/color may be different, but end of the day each holds its' own and provide the same functionality to the user. It's the same with Macs vs PC debate. Use whats comfortable for you because they both perform the same function as a personal computer. Avoid the Apple/Microsoft hype about how one is technically better than the other because it's all nonsense and marketing crap strung up from taking things out of context and going on tangents. End of the day, the real difference is completely subjective to the user's experience and like all things cost.

-"yet another PC vs Mac topic".

Windows can be used on a Mac computer. That's apples vs apples, oranges vs oranges for ya.


I have to agree on some fronts, and disagree on others. My parents and my in-laws are as computer illiterate as you can come (or close to). With that said, my dad and my mom-in-law have been using windows just fine. They get almost everything they need to do just fine.

But where I disagree is that (and I'm really nit-picking to make a distinguished argument-- at least here in this thread) there are several things that are clearly easier to do on a Mac.

Ever installed that program and needed to uninstall it? For my Mac, I literally just delete the file. Apps in Macs are usually just a file that is packed with other files. For instance, Firefox is just one icon, even though packed inside that one icon are other files that Firefox needs to run. To uninstall it, I just click on the icon and delete. It is as remarkable to install (most) applications, something that both my c-illiterate parents could do. On Windows, you jump through one extra loop, and something that an inexperienced user would not be able to do. And that's really the point of a lot of the ads. Not everything in a Mac will be a better or easier experience, but enough good ones to stand out.


I'm a fan of the Apple ads, because (as a fan of marketing, due to a former roommate in a masters program for marketing) I feel as though Apple has a different message throughout all of their ads that comes across as very, very witty. They're different than most ads, uses known actors (or at least known to me), and generally can make a room full of people laugh. When I went to the theatre last night to watch a movie and saw a Windows ad, I just shrugged. The actors-- and they were clearly acting-- were just so clumsy, and it just felt so awkward when they bashed Macs unapologetically on a uniform basis. "Macs just feel like they're overpriced and merely marketed as cool." And that is their ad. All 20 of them. (Or it feels like 20.)

On a basis of purely Mac vs PC commercials, I love Mac commercials, and I loathe PC commercials. You hate the little nit-pickings by Mac that are not entirely true? Sorry, bud. You're hating the player, not the game. That's marketing.

(And to set things straight: I use Windows as much as I use Macs, and I find them both completely easy to use. It is as different as driving a Chevy or Toyota. The experience may differ slightly, but they still do the same thing and the buttons, pedals, and steering wheel are the same.)

[quiltedquickerpickerupper]

Ever installed that program and needed to uninstall it? For my Mac, I literally just delete the file. Apps in Macs are usually just a file that is packed with other files. For instance, Firefox is just one icon, even though packed inside that one icon are other files that Firefox needs to run. To uninstall it, I just click on the icon and delete. It is as remarkable to install (most) applications, something that both my c-illiterate parents could do. On Windows, you jump through one extra loop, and something that an inexperienced user would not be able to do. And that's really the point of a lot of the ads. Not everything in a Mac will be a better or easier experience, but enough good ones to stand out.

Actually I had problems with that very feature that you said because it doesn't totally remove all of the installed program.
The add-ons stays. I was wondering why my mac wasn't getting any faster when I deleted a bunch of programs.
That darn pinwheel was becoming my new bestfriend. I finally asked my roommate to check and low and behold!
The amount of threads that was running was almost 60. All the past deleted program's built-in add-ons and whatnots
are still running! It was a lot harder to remove them as there wasn't any easy way of getting into the added programs
without jumping and rolling and not to mention a lot of digging.