[HaplessChild]

1. Whole wheat is more fattening than white bread. More vitamins, yes, but also more fattening.

2. Cereal is not bad for you and usually isn't fattening. You'll find children's cereals tend to have little to no fat.

3. Fruits and starchy veggies are full of complex sugars that are harder to break down. Orange juice is probably one of the most fattening things you can consume.

I'm not saying anything about your body type. I'm not saying you're unhealthy. What I'm saying is you can [almost] always lose the fat right down to the bare minimum. It takes a lot more work then the first 10lbs did, but it's doable. I'm vegan and I still have quite a bit of fat on my bones. I don't eat ANY meat, any dairy, any eggs... but let me tell you, noodles, grains, just about any food that's high in fiber is also high in fat and complex carbs/ sugars.

Almost everything you eat breaks down into sugars. If the sugars aren't burned, they turn into fat. Just because you feel like you're working hard doesn't mean you're working hard enough.

[joogrlpekaun]

^ I didn't actually know that it's more fattening, but don't actually even eat that much bread in general, so it's not really much of a significant part of my diet. Same with whole wheat pasta and still small portions. We're talking maybe one or two sandwiches per week. It may be more fattening, but at least the calories are not empty when I'm not taking in very many calories per day. Still, interesting thing for me to keep in mind even if I also don't eat white bread because I just don't like it as much. I don't actually ever drink juice, either. I drink no soda or coffee or Red Bull type stuff. My most commonly eaten veggie is actually celery, which supposedly can actually take more calories to digest than it gives you when broken down. Second most common is lettuce. I don't eat corn or potatoes, which are very starchy. I like to add sliced peppers and some chick peas or olive slices to my salads, any problem with those?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't complex sugars better than simple sugars that aren't hard to break down and tend to get converted to fat if not used up quickly? I believe that's what I've learned in multiple biology classes. Those simple sugars are why I avoid sugary cereals and candy, not fat content at all. Like you said, the fat content in cereals is generally low.

Wow sorry guys, I know I've posted here way too much.

[HaplessChild]

^ I didn't actually know that it's more fattening, but don't actually even eat that much bread in general, so it's not really much of a significant part of my diet. Same with whole wheat pasta and still small portions. We're talking maybe one or two sandwiches per week. It may be more fattening, but at least the calories are not empty when I'm not taking in very many calories per day. Still, interesting thing for me to keep in mind even if I also don't eat white bread because I just don't like it as much. I don't actually ever drink juice, either. I drink no soda or coffee or Red Bull type stuff. My most commonly eaten veggie is actually celery, which supposedly can actually take more calories to digest than it gives you when broken down. Second most common is lettuce. I don't eat corn or potatoes, which are very starchy.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't complex sugars better than simple sugars that aren't hard to break down and tend to get converted to fat if not used up quickly? I believe that's what I've learned in multiple biology classes. Those simple sugars are why I avoid sugary cereals and candy, not fat content.

So basically what you're saying is you eat mostly celery and drink nothing but water and you still retain fat. You're a medical mystery. You burn more calories than you take in but you still retain weight. Someone call Guinness.

Carbs are not bad for you. Fat is not bad for you. Sugar is not bad for you. None of it will make you fat if you work out properly. You have to burn them properly. No carb/ no sugar diets are for people who don't move. 35 year old women that sit in front a computer and behind a steering all day.

Again, I'm not saying it's not harder for you. I'm just saying it can be done and it can be done healthily.

I have a friend that lives natural health and fitness. He's basically a machine. I've seen him get amazing results from people that generally just had a lot of misconceptions and not enough drive.

It's a discussion forum. There's no such thing as too much. It's a discussion. You say what you want until you don't want to say it anymore.

[joogrlpekaun]

So basically what you're saying is you eat mostly celery and drink nothing but water and you still retain fat. You're a medical mystery. You burn more calories than you take in but you still retain weight. Someone call Guinness.

Carbs are not bad for you. Fat is not bad for you. Sugar is not bad for you. None of it will make you fat if you work out properly. You have to burn them properly. No carb/ no sugar diets are for people who don't move. 35 year old women that sit in front a computer and behind a steering all day.

Again, I'm not saying it's not harder for you. I'm just saying it can be done and it can be done healthily.

I have a friend that lives natural health and fitness. He's basically a machine. I've seen him get amazing results from people that generally just had a lot of misconceptions and not enough drive.

It's a discussion forum. There's no such thing as too much. It's a discussion. You say what you want until you don't want to say it anymore.

No, of course I'm not that extreme, other than the only drinking water part. I don't starve myself, since that's counterproductive, so of course I still have some carbs in my diet or I wouldn't have the strength to survive and exercise at all since carbs are a primary energy source for our bodies. It's not that any of those are BAD for me if I'm reasonable about not going overboard (except that simple sugars are worse than complex sugars for nutrition and avoiding weight gain), but I have to be careful not to take in too much. Celery is just my favorite, not my only veggie or the number one food I eat the most all the time. I ate it more when I was in the middle of really burning off weight. I also eat chickpeas, pepper slices like I said, broccoli, lima beans, green beans, carrots, and peas. Tofu too. I do eat sandwiches a couple of times a week, small portions of chicken sometimes, a bit of cheese on salads or sandwiches, cereal with milk a few times a week, and fruits like grapes, apples, and bananas. Sometimes I'll have an egg one meal or some brown rice. Sometimes I'll have some pasta with a tomato sauce. I will also naturally now eat a bit more on days when I exercise more compared to more relaxed days. Only a bit, though, and I used to avoid that until it seemed like I'd hit a plateau. And I mentioned that my metabolism is really really slow, right? I don't burn like a furnace, so even a bit extra for more than a few days and I'll start to feel it. It doesn't take a whole lot to last me through a day.

[kitanablade3]

I have started to reply in this thread about 10 times, but I think I have it now LOL...FYI, I am fat, I have always been fat, I was born a big baby as well (10 lbs 6oz, 22 inches long). I've been to nutritionists before in life, I have a nagging mother who will yell at me for both eating too much and not finishing the pot of noodles...I can lose the weight easily if I give it 110%, but I don't and I don't make excuses for that to anyone, I just don't. I have learned to like myself because despite what people may think on the outside, I know I'm not the stereotypical fat person who sits on their *bum* all day doing nothing. Doing nothing makes me feel like crap so I try to stay active, which is fun because my day job is a desk job...My night job is teaching so I'm running around helping my 3D students all night, even still I get in an hour of dancing exercise, and try to remember to do my situps and leglifts before bed.

I use this example because you can choose to be a smoker or not, nothing against smokers...Anyway, think of it as a smoker who tries quitting cold-turkey (the fat person going on a diet). It's hard for most, easy for some. If you never started smoking in the first place you wouldn't have to worry about that (naturally thin people). Some people are motivated to quit and do so quite easily, others need an aid to assist (pills, bypass whatever) and then it's still hard. Get it? I'm saying I, as a fat person, believe most fat people are in one way or another choosing to be fat because they can't kick the habit of bad eating and exercise (MOST of the time not all, there are the few who really honestly can't control it). They don't give it that extra push, or they don't have support. Everyone I know who tries to force themselves to quit smoking usually picks it up again (successful dieters, who gain the weight back). Those who really say to themselves, screw it, enough is enough have quit and stayed off cigs.

I hope that made sense. I've most of my life been the quitter who picks up the habit over and over.
Lately I've become the "enough-is-enough" person. It feels different when you finally say it to yourself that you are determined to change the way you have been. Determined not to overeat the bad stuff. Not because that kid at the grocery store yelled something to his mommy about your fat arse and OMG, I've got to diet right now! But because you realize it's more important to YOU to change not others, that's when you'll most likely change for good. That's why I'm not 100% on this bypass & lapband stuff. I know you have to go through all the counseling, but if you could do it yourself, it's much more satisfying. I mean surely all people watch TV, why can't you do arm/leg exercises or something like my doctor suggested with some light weights. That's better than nothing! Most people think fat people are mean and just lazy. I assure you, I'm not a mean person nor am I lazy (I wish I COULD be a little more often sometimes...*sigh*). Just my opinion...attack it at will LOL I know you soompiers all too well.

As to what this topic started off as: If you dress like a slob and act like a b***h then yeah I, as a fat, person have a problem with you because I'm not like that. But that goes for smaller people as well. A bad person is a just a bad person no matter the size. I don't approach anybody differently, only if you've proven yourself to be someone I'd have to. Society will never accept fat people, that's the way of life. Should they? We should accept everyone, you never know the good people you miss out on. Like the now famous overweight reality star, Ruby. Honestly she's a sweetheart, but people would pass over her like a dead dog lying in the middle of the street because she's big. The awful truth....actually I'd think they'd pay more attention to the dead dog.

[Mr. Chan]

haha I'm currently eating a baked potato and a chili as I'm reading this.

[joogrlpekaun]

@kitanablade3: Well put and honest.

The part about trying to quit cold turkey based on a whim versus deciding that enough is enough and committing to changing is very true. Little comments directed towards me or other people made me feel bad for a bit but were never enough to spur me to put in the effort and sustain it for long. I had to really decide that I was sick and tired of being overweight before I stuck with it. It's definitely more satisfying to know that everything I've gained (well, lost, but you know what I mean!) came as the result of the work I put in rather than a quick fix. Surgeries and drugs for people who didn't have an actual preexisting disease don't address the original problem, and there's no sense of accomplishment like when you can see your progress and tell yourself, "See! I'm not really extremely lazy."

You're the first to bring up another stereotype of fat people's personalities, too, I believe: being mean. It's interesting how the stereotype of fat people as friendly and jolly, which someone else brought up here earlier, coexists with the stereotypes that fat people are mean and/or loser loners. It's hardly surprising, since they wouldn't be called stereotypes if they were indisputably factual, but I haven't found either one to be particularly supported by any pattern across all the overweight people I've known. In my experience, weight has never been a great predictor of overall personality. Just another reason not to base how you treat someone on his or her size.

haha I'm currently eating a baked potato and a chili as I'm reading this.

D: What a tease, man. Are you trying to break down our resolve?! I'll know who to blame if I'm craving one tonight. *deliberately bites a carrot stick* Good thing I don't usually crave things I used to love anymore even if someone eats them right in front of me. So much for your evil plan!

[HaplessChild]

haha I'm currently eating a baked potato and a chili as I'm reading this.

A baked potato with fat free margarine and meat free chili sounds wonderful... but I'm on a diet. I'm going to starve myself for a few more hours and then eat one roll of plain cheong fun. Then starve myself the rest of the night bec, screw what you've heard, starvation works like nobody's business.

[BAZINGA!]

haha I'm currently eating a baked potato and a chili as I'm reading this.

OH YUMS. Please share ((((((( with all the meat saturated chili & cheese. kthnx <3333

[Baatar]

OH YUMS. Please share ((((((( with all the meat saturated chili & cheese. kthnx <3333

OH YES. with tons of SOUR CREAM too!

and DreamingSaturn you are SO naive about being healthy. starvation does not help lose weight. It just makes you feel weak and horrible. It puts your body into hoarding mode, so everything and anything you eat will be stored as fat, because who knows when your body will get energy next? plus dieting like that is the cause of not keeping off the pounds after you finish the diet.

[BAZINGA!]

OH YES. with tons of SOUR CREAM too!

you WOULD want tons of sour cream

[angelorush]

all of the above and extra cheese for me on the baked potato

[Mr. Chan]

OH YUMS. Please share ((((((( with all the meat saturated chili & cheese. kthnx <3333

I like my baked potato plain and no cheese with my chili.

[BAZINGA!]

I like my baked potato plain and no cheese with my chili.

Whatevaaarrs!! I'm going to go make a baked potato myself with a mini cooper ton of chedder and hot sauce. WIN! nomnonomnom.

[Phaze5ive]

Whatevaaarrs!! I'm going to go make a baked potato myself with a mini cooper ton of chedder and hot sauce. WIN! nomnonomnom.

IMO, salt and pepper is all you need for a baked potato. The same goes for steak. I'm a purist

Now back to the discussion at hand: fatties.

[BAZINGA!]

IMO, salt and pepper is all you need for a baked potato. The same goes for steak. I'm a purist

Now back to the discussion at hand: fatties.

Loolll. I <3 my steak medium rare with just salt&pepper. But...baked potato...mmm.. not so much! :3

[naoto]

of course it's wrong for society to not accept them, but society accepts nothing that isn't normal. People who limp when they walk get stared at, people in wheelchairs get stared at, people with acne get stared at (and made fun of I might add). None of this is anyone's fault, yet if it isn't normal then it will be criticized. Who cares what people think, the world is full of haters. You go out there with a big smile and live life the way you want to.

On a side note, I had 2 friends who were slightly chubby let's say. I had no problems with it (and liked both of them at different times actually).. but they had the nicest personalities ever. Both of them went on this huge weight loss program and turned into absolute showstoppers. Personalities? Same

[supersarahx]

I am a fat person.. but i've lost over 30 pounds since high school.
I don't mind being friends with people who are overweight.. getting to know them etc
but it hurts me to see fat people... sad... but it's how my brain reacts.
I'm still working on myself and I don't think anybody without a real legit medical excuse should be fat.

[BAZINGA!]

LETS SEE... I forgot to quote Dreamingsaturn on this part.

Wheat = complex carb = high in fiber + nutritents = gives your body energy = good
White = simple carbs = processed = fat = bad
Fruits = good natural simple carbs = helps curb sweet cravings (for me at least)
Veggies = high in fiber = makes you have nice poo = so good.
Lean MEAT/Diary/Egg = protein = helps stabilize your body, energy, and insulin levels.
FAT FREE = Usually they add a ton of sugar to make it taste good, so I'd just skip it.
Vitamins = I would suggest taking multi-vitamins, Fish Oil, Calcium(if you're a female).
Fiber = Lols. Because I definitely don't get enough of this I'd suggest taking Citrucel OR more natural would be Psyllium Seed which they sell at Trader Joes(prob whole foods too) which is just what Citrucel is made out of but more finely milled and with sugar.
ALSO, starving = metabolism slows down because your body will go into survival mode.


ANYWAYS, so I'd just disregard what she said about eating and stuff if you're actually trying to be healthy. Lol.

Nutritionists/Doctors recommend eating 5-6 small meals a day. and to NEVER skip meals because it destroys your body. and when you eat when you feel like you're starving you're doing crazy mini cooper to your insulin levels. Haha. Always ALWAYS have protein in whatever you eat. If you're going to have a lets say veggies the amount equaling the size of your fist, then you need the same amount of protein. Oh yeah, you should NEVER cut out all carbs. It also destroys your body.




CARNIVORES FTW.

[&rea]

Lucky for guys that think size is a deal-breaker because they get to see the goods before deciding whether or not to date them. For the ladies that think size is a deal-breaker on the other hand...