[lilpucal0v3r]

session C too. dont want to go back

[bOy]

let's have a SOOMPI PARTY AIAIEYAIEIYAYA and get the cute freshmen drunk >:}

[tuttyfruit]

I'm in the College of L&S (Class of 2013!) and I was wondering if I could take a course from the Engineering Department (COE, of course). I'm interested in taking an intro or a seminar... I've been going a bit crazy for awhile trying to find an answer to my question online...

I spent the entire day planning my schedule and classes since I go to CalSO next week (June 5-6).

Has any freshman here already planned his/her tentative schedule?

________

edit.. actually it's probably possible since you can get simultaneous degrees from different colleges.

[Avex]

I'm in the College of L&S (Class of 2013!) and I was wondering if I could take a course from the Engineering Department (COE, of course). I'm interested in taking an intro or a seminar... I've been going a bit crazy for awhile trying to find an answer to my question online...

I spent the entire day planning my schedule and classes since I go to CalSO next week (June 5-6).

Has any freshman here already planned his/her tentative schedule?

________

edit.. actually it's probably possible since you can get simultaneous degrees from different colleges.

My advice is you take E98, the decal called: The Survival Guide to Engineering, if you are interested in engineering.


http://engle.berkeley.edu/index.php

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However, there are intro seminars dedicated to engineering (every engineering major has its own individual seminar) that introduce you to engineering. Therefore, go to the specific engineering department of your interest, look up the degree requirements for freshman year, and you'll see the seminar that you're interested. 


Here's an example, from my major, civil engineering:

http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/undergrad/pdf/c...l2008beyond.pdf

Look up the Intro to ______ Engineering or something related to a seminar; that's the one-unit seminar you should look up.

Here's another example from BIOe:

http://bioeng.berkeley.edu/undergrad/under...m/bioemajor.php

Freshman Seminar: BioE 24 and/or BioE 25 <<example of a seminar

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I've already sort of planned out my classes first semester; by the way, what engineering are you interested in?

[Aeroshark2000]

fyi, most of the engineering seminars are a waste of time and most people do not attend them. they typically focus on research, and with the exception of bioe, are a poor representation of industry (bioe is all research related) or what you will learn in undergrad.

The best thing you can do is either take the 1st course in the major (which could be challanging, but very informative), or get all the syllabuses for the major, look at the course track, and browse the textbooks in the bookstore to get a good sense of you will actually be learning.

there typically are no restrictions to taking engineering classes. Business classes are a different story however...

[Avex]

fyi, most of the engineering seminars are a waste of time and most people do not attend them. they typically focus on research, and with the exception of bioe, are a poor representation of industry (bioe is all research related) or what you will learn in undergrad.

The best thing you can do is either take the 1st course in the major (which could be challanging, but very informative), or get all the syllabuses for the major, look at the course track, and browse the textbooks in the bookstore to get a good sense of you will actually be learning.

there typically are no restrictions to taking engineering classes. Business classes are a different story however...

hm interesting; thanks for pointing that out (I'm not a research-geared person in the first place).

[tuttyfruit]

My advice is you take E98, the decal called: The Survival Guide to Engineering, if you are interested in engineering.


http://engle.berkeley.edu/index.php

------

However, there are intro seminars dedicated to engineering (every engineering major has its own individual seminar) that introduce you to engineering. Therefore, go to the specific engineering department of your interest, look up the degree requirements for freshman year, and you'll see the seminar that you're interested. 


Here's an example, from my major, civil engineering:

http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/undergrad/pdf/c...l2008beyond.pdf

Look up the Intro to ______ Engineering or something related to a seminar; that's the one-unit seminar you should look up.

Here's another example from BIOe:

http://bioeng.berkeley.edu/undergrad/under...m/bioemajor.php

Freshman Seminar: BioE 24 and/or BioE 25 <<example of a seminar

----------------------------

I've already sort of planned out my classes first semester; by the way, what engineering are you interested in?

I was interesting in taking Engineering 7 (Intro to Computer Programming for Scientists & Engineers)... And I figured out what major I might want to pursue: Operations Research & Management Science. There's a similar major from the College of Engineering: Industrial Engineering & Operations Research. Many of the prerequisites are the same and the engineering class that I was interested in is one of the them. The requirements for ORMS include Industrial Engineering courses, Math courses and Econ courses.

The only thing is that the major that I'm interested in is impacted (only 25 students allowed)... But my primary major in my mind when I was applying to Cal was Economics which is also impacted (I have no idea about the quota). And I was very into (still am) Business but it's no guarantee I'll be accepted into Haas when I apply at the end of my sophomore year.

I did the Academics Orientation tutorial yesterday and laid out my major interests (Operations Research & Management Science, Economics & Business Administration - Haas) and there are a few prerequisite & required courses that overlap. Quite a few requirements for ORMS (a L&S degree) are engineering classes, and UGBA 10 & Econ 1 are also required.

I've laid out my potential and 'perfect' schedule... No classes after 2PM and only one class on Friday (discussion, not lecture). I've laid out 13 units... 3 courses w/ 4 units each & a Math seminar (something about gambling; sounds fun). I might add some Decal classes but Fall '09 classes will only be available sometime in July.

My 'ideal' path from Cal consists of double majoring from L&S (ORMS & Econ) and majoring from Haas (Business Administration), hence having simultaneous degrees (L&S and Haas; BA and BS). Now it's too early to tell and it's quite unsure as to whether I'll even get approved to declare any of the major, but these three majors overlap quite a lot so I don't think it would be too horrible. Heck, I don't even know if I'll enjoy what I'm about to pursue...

[Aeroshark2000]

I was interesting in taking Engineering 7 (Intro to Computer Programming for Scientists & Engineers)... And I figured out what major I might want to pursue: Operations Research & Management Science. There's a similar major from the College of Engineering: Industrial Engineering & Operations Research. Many of the prerequisites are the same and the engineering class that I was interested in is one of the them. The requirements for ORMS include Industrial Engineering courses, Math courses and Econ courses.

The only thing is that the major that I'm interested in is impacted (only 25 students allowed)... But my primary major in my mind when I was applying to Cal was Economics which is also impacted (I have no idea about the quota). And I was very into (still am) Business but it's no guarantee I'll be accepted into Haas when I apply at the end of my sophomore year.

I did the Academics Orientation tutorial yesterday and laid out my major interests (Operations Research & Management Science, Economics & Business Administration - Haas) and there are a few prerequisite & required courses that overlap. Quite a few requirements for ORMS (a L&S degree) are engineering classes, and UGBA 10 & Econ 1 are also required.

I've laid out my potential and 'perfect' schedule... No classes after 2PM and only one class on Friday (discussion, not lecture). I've laid out 13 units... 3 courses w/ 4 units each & a Math seminar (something about gambling; sounds fun). I might add some Decal classes but Fall '09 classes will only be available sometime in July.

My 'ideal' path from Cal consists of double majoring from L&S (ORMS & Econ) and majoring from Haas (Business Administration), hence having simultaneous degrees (L&S and Haas; BA and BS). Now it's too early to tell and it's quite unsure as to whether I'll even get approved to declare any of the major, but these three majors overlap quite a lot so I don't think it would be too horrible. Heck, I don't even know if I'll enjoy what I'm about to pursue...

Hi

I am going to give you advice even though you didn't ask for it.

ORMS is indeed impacted, and so it is best to find out how you can apply as fast as possible as I believe there is usually a waiting list. Econ is impacted as well, however, it is a lot easier to get in. Typically you need to take the minimum courses (intro to econ, upper div macro, micro, and maybe a stats or math class), and maintain a 3.5 gpa or so, and you're in. As for business, typically 50% of applicants who apply get into Haas. To get into Haas you need to be proactive, and join leadership positions and such, in clubs or volunteer activities, and get high grades (B+ to As) in econ 1, stats 21, ugba 10 and the assorted prerequisite classes. You need to apply to haas fall of sophomore year, and so think of it as college applications all over again (including personal statement and extracurriculars).

Its definately possible to triple major, but I think there may be a requirement that only 3 classes in each major can overlap. So for example, if there are 10 classes in econ you have to take and 10 classes in business, and all 10 overlap, you have to take the 10 overlaping classes, as well as 7 more in econ or business (ie you need to take 17 classes instead of 10). Talk to an advisor about this.

Engineering 7 is a horrible class. Feel free to take it, but it's not going to be fun. If you have programming experience, it'll be a lot simpler.

And don't worry about not knowing what you want to do. Use freshman year as a time to take lots of different classes and explore your interests

[Avex]

^ i met a professor who taught E7 at cal and he said that your math1b skills (ap calc bc) need to be good, since he met a lot of people who don't feel confident in E7 b/c of a lack of good math1b skills. For example, he emphasized that you need to be good at taylor series (b/c, for example, while we calculate sin or cosin values with a calculator in regular math, in E7, we use talyor series to estimate trig values).

Unfortunately, I don't have any programming experience, so looks like I'll be having a difficult time in E7! (although I'm not bad at Taylor series.)

[tuttyfruit]

Hi

I am going to give you advice even though you didn't ask for it.

ORMS is indeed impacted, and so it is best to find out how you can apply as fast as possible as I believe there is usually a waiting list. Econ is impacted as well, however, it is a lot easier to get in. Typically you need to take the minimum courses (intro to econ, upper div macro, micro, and maybe a stats or math class), and maintain a 3.5 gpa or so, and you're in. As for business, typically 50% of applicants who apply get into Haas. To get into Haas you need to be proactive, and join leadership positions and such, in clubs or volunteer activities, and get high grades (B+ to As) in econ 1, stats 21, ugba 10 and the assorted prerequisite classes. You need to apply to haas fall of sophomore year, and so think of it as college applications all over again (including personal statement and extracurriculars).

Its definately possible to triple major, but I think there may be a requirement that only 3 classes in each major can overlap. So for example, if there are 10 classes in econ you have to take and 10 classes in business, and all 10 overlap, you have to take the 10 overlaping classes, as well as 7 more in econ or business (ie you need to take 17 classes instead of 10). Talk to an advisor about this.

Engineering 7 is a horrible class. Feel free to take it, but it's not going to be fun. If you have programming experience, it'll be a lot simpler.

And don't worry about not knowing what you want to do. Use freshman year as a time to take lots of different classes and explore your interests

Thanks for the advice.

I can't avoid Engineering 7 since it's a prerequisite for ORMS. I have no programming experience whatsoever so I guess I'll struggle. The class was webcasted during spring so I'll watch the lectures and whatnot.

I didn't take AP Calc BC but instead I took Math 31A @ UCLA (Summer '08) and I believe it's the equivalent of Math 1A @ Cal. So I'll take Math 1B concurrently with Eng 7 since it's a prereq (but may be taken concurrently).

I just realized that there may be limits to overlapping classes for multiple majors/minors. Since ORMS is more impacted than Econ, I guess I'll try to meet all its prereqs ASAP. And figure out the rest later.

Underlined courses are overlapping

Prereqs for ORMS:

Engin 7 - Intro PC Prog (Fall '09)
Math 1A & 1B - Calculus (Math 1B Fall '09, assuming I get credit for Math 31A)
Math 53 - Multivariable Calculus (planning on taking during Spring '10)
Math 54 - Linear Algebra & Differential Equations (planning on taking during Summer '10 or Fall '10)
UGBA 10 - Principles of Business (planning on taking during Spring '10)

One of the following:
Econ 1 - Intro to Economics (Fall '09)
Econ 2 - Intro to Economics - Lecture format
Econ 3 - Environmental Economics & Policy
______________________________________________

Prereqs for Economics:

One of the following:
Stat 20 - Probability and Statistics
Stat 21 - Intro Probability & Statistics for Business (probably will take this one...)
Stat 25 - Probability & Statistics for Engineers

Econ 1 - Intro to Economics (Fall '09)
OR
Econ 2 - Intro to Economics - Lecture format

One of the following:
Econ 100A - Economic Analysis - Micro (probably will take this)
Econ 100B - Economic Analysis - Macro
Econ 101A - Economics Theory - Micro

Math 1A & 1B - Calculus (Math 1B - Fall '09)
OR
Math 16A & 16B - Analytic Geometry & Calculus

______________________________________________

Prereqs for Haas - Business Administration:

Stat 21 - Intro Probability & Statistics for Business

UGBA 10 - Principles of Business (planning on taking during Spring '10)

Math (Calculus). Choose one from the following: Fulfilled
Math 1A - Calculus (Math 31A Summer '08 UCLA - since I took it before I was granted admission to Cal, I can use it to satisfy Haas's Math requirement)
Math 1B - Calculus (Fall '09)
Math 16A - Analytic Geometry & Calculus
Math 16B - Analytic Geometry & Calculus

Economics. Choose one from the following:
Econ 1 - Intro to Economics (Fall '09)
Econ 2 - Intro to Economics - Lecture format

Also, the 7 breadth requirements must be completed. Plus there is a HAAS Literature/Writing Requirement (in addition to the English/R&C requirement - I've met them already).
_____________________________________________


Fall '09 classes:
Eng 7 - Intro to PC Programming
Math 1B - Calculus
Econ 1 - Intro to Economics
Math 24 Sec 1 - Freshman Seminar

13 units total

[raspberylotion22]

i am 100% waitlisted for all my freakin fall classes!!111!!1 and my positions haven't improved that much since the first telebears appointment.

AHH!! drop faster ppl!! *pulls out hair*

[Avex]

tuttyfruit, just curious; what do you want to do with those double majors? seems exciting.

[tuttyfruit]

tuttyfruit, just curious; what do you want to do with those double majors? seems exciting.

Not quite sure as to what I want to do but probably something business related. Pretty much my entire HS EC career was based on business/entrepreneurship & I guess that's my calling. ORMS/IEOR offers tons of options & skills, and to quote the website:

"IEOR engineers work in a variety of industries, including: communications, entertainment, finance, food, health, logistics, manufacturing, medicine, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, sports, travel, and transportation."

I'm very into Marketing/Advertising. But I'd love to work in the entertainment business. I hope to go on to business school & obtain an MBA later on.

I think ORMS & Econ (or Bus Admin) go hand in hand... I'm almost thinking about forgoing the option to apply to Haas & transferring to the COE so I can major in Industrial Engineering & Operations Research. I know it won't be easy but I'm hoping to do the best I can. Eventually, I think I might want simultaneous degrees for IEOR & Econ. I pretty much planned my ideal schedules for freshman & sophomore year but with all these horror stories about being waitlisted to classes and whatnot (...).

Perhaps ORMS might be more flexible than IEOR in terms of career opportunities but both majors can be implemented for a variety of fields.

I've decided to take Engineering 10 this fall & then Engineering 7 during the spring. I'll watch the webcasted Eng 7 lectures & try to get some sense of what to expect. Might as well as refresh my memory on Calculus since it's been almost a year. I haven't dealt with anything quantitative this senior year.

I really hope I can get into at least the Econ 1 & Math 1B classes.

I'm debating as to whether I should attend summer session @ UCLA again. I don't feel like commuting for hours again though I could always dorm there...

I wish Fall '09 DeCal classes were updated/listed already...

[Avex]

^ Have fun already!!! Things change in life and be open minded (your plans sound so rigid, lol)!! But in all seriousness case, I do admit your plan requires a lot of work, but be flexible!

I admit that even as an incoming civil engineering major, I have to be willing to accept the fact that I might change plans in life (i.e. if urban planning or architecture interest me more, I'll go there; I'll wait and see, hah). 

Engineering 10? Hey thats what I'll take too! Let's sign up together for the same lecture, lol. Engineering 10 in the fall is all MWF and from 10-11am according to the schedule.

[tuttyfruit]

^ I've planned out the core prerequisites that I need to take.. As much as I want to be flexible I think I need to set straight goals... My Fall '09 schedule that I've planned so far is as follows: Math 1B, Econ 1, Eng 10, Math 24 (seminar - Math & Gambling), and perhaps IEOR 24 (seminar - Intro to IEOR). Might add a Humanities course if it fits the schedule but then I think I'm going overboard. Choosing classes is a pain... I think I've got the perfect schedule so far and let's hope I get the classes I want. I used http://esc.frozeninflames.net/ to generate schedules... Made it a whole lot easier.

I'll be aiming for either IEOR or ORMS.. The prereqs (lower division courses) for both are quite similar except that IEOR requires science classes (Physics 7A & 7B, Chemistry 1A - will use AP credit) and Eng 10 in addition to Eng 7, and perhaps something else... And I have a bunch of breadth requirements (Hum & Social Sciences) to comply...

HS is almost over... No finals except a final AP Lit paper (college-style, HAH!) due in two days.

[moogadang]

Hi all!
I'm a spring admit going to the FPF program.

Are we allowed to change our schedules after we submitted the course selection form? If yes, how and when?
I have decided to participate in a theme housing that requires me to take a 4 unit course, meaning that I need to change my schedule to include the course.

[elaynurr]

^ yes, through telebears

[c a t h e r s]

^^ which theme house are you planning on living in? GO APATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^ i thought that the fpf doesn't go through telebears at ALL. i'm pretty sure that's how it is. you're going to have to talk to the counselors there. i'm like...99% sure of it. shoot. i hope i'm not wrong haha

[inamorata.<3]

Hi all!
I'm a spring admit going to the FPF program.

Are we allowed to change our schedules after we submitted the course selection form? If yes, how and when?
I have decided to participate in a theme housing that requires me to take a 4 unit course, meaning that I need to change my schedule to include the course.

I was in FPF last year, and usually, on the first week when school is suppose to start, you can go to the advisors' offices, where FPF classes take place, and sign up for an allotted time to discuss your schedule. You can change your schedule by talking to the FPF advisors.

[elaynurr]

^^ which theme house are you planning on living in? GO APATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^ i thought that the fpf doesn't go through telebears at ALL. i'm pretty sure that's how it is. you're going to have to talk to the counselors there. i'm like...99% sure of it. shoot. i hope i'm not wrong haha

hmm i thought she was asking if its possible to change her course schedule. she said shes joining a theme program and needs to take a 4 unit course, so she might need to change her classes. im sure you can add/drop classes on telebears. dont take my word for it though. moogadang, you should speak with your counselor just in case.