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#1 User is offline   FraZZLE 

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:18 PM

How do you feel about the UC budget cuts? Have any of you attended the walkouts? I think it's ridiculous that they're hiking up tuition by 30%. Well, the only good thing out of this is that discussion sections are no longer mandatory lol (I hate them). I'm graduating next quarter so it's not a big deal for me but it's gonna suck for you incoming students. Here's an article about it:

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As the University of California’s Board of Regents met Thursday at U.C.L.A. and approved a plan to raise undergraduate fees — the equivalent of tuition — 32 percent next fall, hundreds of students from campuses across the state demonstrated outside, beating drums and chanting slogans against the increase.

Isaac Miller and Irene Van, who traveled to U.C.L.A. late Wednesday night in a bus caravan from Berkeley, said they worried about how higher fees would affect illegal immigrant students, who are not eligible for financial aid, and minority students, already dwindling in number since Proposition 209 prohibited affirmative action.

“Diversity is central to this,” Mr. Miller said. “It’s at stake here.”

Mr. Miller and Ms. Van wore shreds of the red armbands adopted at a Sept. 24 walkout, when more than 5,000 students demonstrated outside Sproul Hall at Berkeley.

After Thursday’s vote, as news trickled out to students rallying outside, the chants grew louder and students linked arms to block regents from leaving the building. The police intervened, and as one regent left, about 100 students clustered around him, yelling “Shame on you!”

Mark Yudof, the university president, said the state budget cuts had left the university no choice but to raise fees, and noted that the system received only half as much, per student, from the state as it did in 1990.

“My biggest fear,” Mr. Yudof said, “is an exodus of faculty.”

At U.C.L.A. on Wednesday, 14 demonstrators, including 12 students, were arrested for disrupting the Regents meeting. Some demonstrators barricaded themselves inside Campbell Hall, where they spent Wednesday night; others spent the night in tent cities on campus.

Rodrigo Verdugo, 18, a freshman at Cal State San Marcos and the first in his family to go to college, carried a sign that said “no fee hikes.” He said he worried that if his parents, migrant farm workers from Mexico, could not afford state university fees, his younger siblings “might have to work in the fields, too, if this becomes so expensive.”

Standing next to him, Maria Isabel Rocha mentioned ways the budget cuts were already being felt. “The library has cut hours, we can’t print, staff have been furloughed and T.A.s have been cut,” she said, referring to teaching assistants. “So there is less instruction and less office hours, but we’re still responsible for the same amount of material.”

Ms. Rocha, 19, said she already worked two jobs, and higher fees would mean taking on another. “I might have to take a quarter off to make money to afford tuition,” she said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/educatio..._r=1&ref=us
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Posted 20 November 2009 - 12:09 AM

with all the news going on about the budge cuts, I thought I would share this video my friend shared with me. I am sure it's affecting students in California like myself.

it's a powerful message!


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Posted 20 November 2009 - 01:37 AM

Great share.
Loving the video, autuymnrain. I'll be sharing that with my friends.

I'm currently a senior in high school and was looking forward to the option of an accessible, quality public institution. I guess we won't be able to have both.

Regents justified the raise by saying they primarily receive funding two ways, state appropriations and tuition. Because our state's budget is in such a mini cooperhole, Regents was forced to raise tuition from $7,788 to $10,302 over two years.

Some how, they seemed to miss the "public university" memo. Regents is forcing our hand to either pay the additional $2500 while still leaving us in over crowded institutions or forcing us to fold and find an alternative route based on cost alone. Wasn't the core value of a public institution to be accessible?

Will 32% be enough or will UC Regents call for another fee hike two years from now? Something has to be change on their side. Why should the UC executives continue to receive pay raises on top for their $250k+ salary?

UC Regents and the State has to clean up their act. Unacceptable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/19/educatio...l?ref=education
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../MNSG194N2P.DTL



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Posted 20 November 2009 - 02:48 PM

just some pics from today's strike at the berkeley campus....3 ppl were arrested early on - bail is set at $2600. there's a number of protesters inside wheeler trying to facilitate negotiations....some protesters were beaten early this morning. i have to say it's not really the best thought-out plan but it does what it primarily aims to do - show we're effin frustrated and we deserve the attention.

more police manpower brought in....









protesters trapped inside....speaking to us from the 2nd floor

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 08:54 AM

I am curious as to why UC students think it's ridiculous? I'm not a Californian, so excuse any flaws in my reasoning, but everyone is pretty much under the impression that the state is "broke" (or so the media has given us this impression). Even so, the new tuition rate is pretty much only 1/4 of some universities' tuition rates.

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 12:10 PM

^ We think it's ridiculous because UC executives such as the UC President (Yudof), have such a high pay and refuse to lower their pay.. such as Yudof and his monthly housing allowance ($10,000) on TOP of his salary!

Like StealthGnome said above, UCs were supposed to be a "public institution" that's accessible to even students with low income background (hence, University of California.. state universities..). Also! While they raise the tuition fee, they also lay off custodians, workers, etc. that take care of our UC. They cut off services, classes, and continue to stuff us in already-over-crowded classes. Basically, we are paying more for less. Honestly, the tuition fee isn't worth the quality of education that's given to us.
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Posted 22 November 2009 - 01:42 PM

it sucks that tuition is being raised, but SOMETHING has got to give -- the state is broke. the state is billions of dollars in debt. and yes, i know it's wrong for certain individuals (like Yudof) to have such an outrageous salary. however, even if these individuals took a pay cut, the UC system would still be in the red. cutting executive salaries won't solve the BIGGER PROBLEM. it'd be more FAIR if executives took a substantial pay cut and raised our tuition at the same time to cover the costs. i think many students are angry about the fact that not only did the executives NOT take a huge pay cut, but they shoved all the costs down onto students, faulty, and staff.

in other words, they're still sitting on top of a huge pile of money that they've earned with their "hard work" while we need to shell more money out of our own pockets to pay for college.

(sorry if it's a little confusing, i have a minor cold. the medicine is getting to me.)
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Posted 23 November 2009 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE (「Sachiko」 @ Nov 22 2009, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ We think it's ridiculous because UC executives such as the UC President (Yudof), have such a high pay and refuse to lower their pay.. such as Yudof and his monthly housing allowance ($10,000) on TOP of his salary!

Like StealthGnome said above, UCs were supposed to be a "public institution" that's accessible to even students with low income background (hence, University of California.. state universities..). Also! While they raise the tuition fee, they also lay off custodians, workers, etc. that take care of our UC. They cut off services, classes, and continue to stuff us in already-over-crowded classes. Basically, we are paying more for less. Honestly, the tuition fee isn't worth the quality of education that's given to us.



Another point is that many UC students come from middle to low income families who cannot afford higher education or have a lot of trouble doing so. Even though it is ALOT cheaper than a private university, it still is super expensive, especially balanced on the backs of middle class incomes who do not qualify for finanncial aid. It pissed off a lot of students, and rightly so.
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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:49 PM

32% blows. not only does it hurt the students but it also creates a gap on who can go to these higher institutions. as the state does not check if you are a legal citizen, illegal immigrants are more barred from coming to these schools because they cannot afford it.

anyways the protests were pretty hectic. i live right next to the building and it was troublesome to go into my room and i was able to see police and protesters outside my dorm room
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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE (vinn @ Nov 24 2009, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
32% blows. not only does it hurt the students but it also creates a gap on who can go to these higher institutions. as the state does not check if you are a legal citizen, illegal immigrants are more barred from coming to these schools because they cannot afford it.

anyways the protests were pretty hectic. i live right next to the building and it was troublesome to go into my room and i was able to see police and protesters outside my dorm room


Since I think all illegal immigrants that aren't people that think they are legal (people who got scammed by brokers)
should get deported, I don't see that as a problem.

As for the tuition increases, that price isn't too bad. Alot of public universities cost more then that already.
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Posted 24 November 2009 - 08:58 PM

Just so you guys know, Yudof the UC president, did take a 10% pay cut recently. It's less than 32%, and his salary is still quite substantial at like 600k or something, but he did take a pay cut.

I currently go to UCSD and the 32% increase does suck, but really where else are we going to get the money from? There's supposedly a $500 million deficit that needs to be filled. Pay cuts from all the overpaid administration won't cover very much of that 500 mill and the state doesn't have anymore $$ to give to the UCs. There's all this yelling and protesting, but what alternatives are being suggested that will actually help?
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Posted 25 November 2009 - 11:49 AM

the fact it is an increase, I go to one of the Cal States and the fees are going to just keep on going up.
Unless, we step up and tell them to stop.

Even if you think the percentage is only this and that, it still make more and more
people further away from higher education.
It's a international right for everyone to have a chance at a higher education.
The fee increases are just stopping people from achieve that goal.
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Posted 26 November 2009 - 05:27 PM

QUOTE (WENJJANG @ Nov 25 2009, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's a international right for everyone to have a chance at a higher education.


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Everyone should have a chance at higher education, but I wouldn't really
call it a right, it's more of an option.

And also, it's not like they are increasing the fee's for nothing... even if all the upper staff took massive paycuts,
it's not really going to do anything if you think of the total budget of the UC/CSU system...
honestly... you're not half as special as you think you are.
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Posted 28 November 2009 - 12:14 AM

i understand that a 32% increase is a lot for one year but i'm sure many other public schools have tuitions that cost more than the UCs. attending college is a privilege, and one that comes with a cost. depending on how much it's worth to you, you'll have to bite the bullet and take out more loans. hopefully with the degree that you earn you'll be able to pay off those loans in a timely manner.

i also don't see a problem with the illegal immigrant issue. yes, it sucks for them, but technically they shouldn't even be applying to the UCs from in-state so it's a moot point. besides, they're getting a better deal anyway. if they had remained in their own country and were attending a UC, they'd be paying 40k+/year out of state tuition.

to those who are completely against the tuition hike, how do you suppose the UC should deal with the budget crisis, if not for an increase in tuition? i can sympathize with your concerns but in harsh economic times like these we have to be realistic and find pragmatic solutions.
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Posted 28 November 2009 - 01:10 PM

They are slashing budgets, slashing personnel and jackin up tuition. The regents are a corrupt bunch of technocrats led by none other than Arnold himself, why is anyone attacking the protestors in this situation?

not to mention the smug UC president. yudof makes $600k a year and smugs out about nebulous grant programs? i call bull.

not to mention that even if a family's combined income is $120k that does not mean they can dedicate $40k a year for school. This is california, not rural kansas

Screw these oligarchs, john tesh Arnold for his petulance and for being the worst governor ever, along with anyone putting the blame on the students for the tuition hike.

The same thing is happening in health care and housing and credit cards and wall street, the poor and middle class picking up the tab or cleaning up the mess or taking all the consequences

Screw that, if just 5% of americans did what these kids are doing maybe we wouldn't be such a plutocratic dystopia where the government doesn't fear anything and politicans lie their asses off and stay in office forever.

I'm studying abroad in Denmark for the time being and you REALLY don't wanna know how much kids here are paying for their university education. ($0)

also, fun graph


Spending on prisons vs. UC fees

also an interesting comment from victor david hanson about the entire situation

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N...mQ5MmE0YjRiZWQ=

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Thanks to the forgotten part-time teacher [Victor Davis Hanson]

Last week within about an hour, I got a form email from a UC administrator deploring Californias cuts to higher education, asking for money, and pleading for support for the universityeven as You Tube was airing the UCLA student protests over tuition hikes.

which got me to thinking. The students, of course, have no answers to the problems of California that sees some 3,500 professionals and the well-paid leaving the state each week, since our officials cannot explain whywith the nations highest state income, gasoline, and sales taxeswe have among the nations worst infrastructure, schools, and educated populaces.

If the students were really worried about injustice in the CSU and UC systems, they would not be protesting tuition hikes that will still not result in their educations even approaching the costs at private colleges. Nor would UC administrators be swarming the internet and emails systems warning that cuts will hurt their tenured faculty and research.

Instead the dirty secret in California is that at JC, CSU, and UC campuses, nearly half of the instruction offeredwhether calibrated in the total number of students in classes, or by the number of courses listed or by the number of those employedis taught by non-tenure-track lecturers, TAs, and part-time faculty.

If one were to compare that cost per unit with instruction by regular tenured faculty for often essentially the same work, the exploitation makes any in the private sector mild in comparison. Wal-Mart is saintly in employment practices in comparison with CSU.

An English 1A class taught by a TA or part-timer might service 30 students at a cost of $4,000 to 5,000 in instructional fees; an upper-division required course for the major, with 10 students, like The Construction of Manhood in Blake taught by a full professor might run the university $25,000. Part-timers might make $35,000 without benefits for juggling together 5-7 classes at different campuses, while tenured professors might make well over $100,000 for teaching 4-6 courses with full facilities, benefits, and support.

The problem is that all the old justifications for such wide imbalancestenured faculty advising, publication, intangible college governancedont wash any more, at least in the case of the humanities and social sciencesnot when TAs, lecturers and part-timers often have PhDs, and are as good or better teachers than full professors, while the scholarship of the affluently tenured, especially in the humanities and social sciences, is either irrelevant or unreadable, while their teaching is not subject to the same scrutiny or consequences as part-time evaluations.

So next time students nearly riot at UCLA, the angst should be on behalf of a near majority of their faculty who are paid a pittance of what an elite makes for nearly the same sort of work.

The fact is that the students are subsidized by the bankrupt state. The governing administrative elite and cohort of tenured professors are, in turn, subsidized by tens of thousands of mostly unknown, exploited part-timers. The latter each day in California teach hundreds of thousands of college students at JC, CSU, and UC at a fraction of the wage that a tiny priesthood receives for essentially the same job.

So on Thanksgiving Day, give thanks to the part-timers and temps who keeps the liberal system of higher education running by the very illiberal treatment they receive.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 12:39 AM

I don't mind that the tuition is going up, but I mind the fact that the quality of our education is going down. Next quarter at UCSD, they're resorting to having one professor teach genetics and showing it to other lecture rooms via video feed so they could use one professor to teach four times as many students. It's selfish of me to say but I'm glad I'm graduating this year so that next year's tuition increase will not have any impact on me directly...
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Posted 01 December 2009 - 02:55 PM

Yeah I'm pretty much screwed
I don't think I can finish college since I don't have enough money to pay for tuition.
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Posted 03 December 2009 - 04:22 PM

it's also disconcerting when considering that the money that would go toward education is being redirected and spent on the prison system. the california state police force is 25 times larger now than it was in 1980s. makes you rethink what kind of society we live in.
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Posted 05 December 2009 - 07:49 AM

I think a lot of the anger stems from the point that we are essentially "paying more for less." Our student fees (technically it's illegal to charge "tuition" in CA) have been increasing annually for years now, but yet quality of our education is and has been diminishing. Faculty are getting pink slips, classes are closing- in some cases, entire majors and departments are being endangered too at least @ my UC, TAs are getting cut and section sizes are increasing, all which affect the quality of our education.

Other jobs being cut such as custodial jobs etc., effect the environment we live and attend school in, less custodians, or custodians with less hours = not as clean bathrooms for example, and which can easily be more prone to spread viruses, germs, etc. And then there's the discrepancy about firing lecturers vs. tenured professors. Less library hours, the library @ my school doesn't even open on Saturdays now. I think it's just all of those factors that affect the quality of learning and instruction that people are angry about. I mean, I turned down (I'd say a pretty good) private all-women's college on the East Coast to attend a UC because I couldn't afford it, but I was somewhat content because of the quality of education I was going to receive, but I can no longer say the same.

Then obviously there are the concerns over privatization of the public education sector and how school will become less diverse etc., and that's very important too, but I don't wanna sound redundant of previous remarks.

32% sucks a LOT. I'm not gonna say regents shouldn't have made (not that I support and would have promoted the increase) the decision to raise, because I don't personally have any alternative solution as to "where else the money should come from", but I also think students have a right and SHOULD be angry about the increase and should take action or some sort of stance to voice out their anger. I just wanted to highlight one aspect I feel, as to why students might be angry and reasons for actions that have taken place.
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 04:12 PM

I support the fee increase. On the other hand, I just want to say that people should be protesting primarily in Sacramento and not on school campuses. Regents are getting too much of the blame that the government in Sacramento is responsible for.
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