[cksdayoff]

^add to the fact that her mouth was gaping open like a black hole. Scary scary sht.

[LiLKrAzYb0i]

30 secs is a long time not to do anything. It's a strange situation.... All the more the whole thing should have come to a halt, like everyone's brains did. None ofthe stage hands would have gotten there had the other back up dancer not done anything. they probably would have left her there, everyone would have thought...what an odd dance move, and see ya'd go home with an award for extreme liturgical dancing. i dont' blame See Ya. I can hardly blame anyone.... i guess right now, everyone's pretty shocked since the whole situation was pretty horrific to see on tv.

actually that is interesting, what WOULD'VE happened if one of the backup dancers didnt do anything...how long would they have really left her there. im not saying we should experiment or talk too much about that, what i think thats what most people are mad about, the time it took to react and remove her from the stage. wonder which was worse, that or SeeYa not doing anything and continued with their performance. either way, its a sad day for SeeYa, their fans, the backup dancer/s, and everyone involved...lets just hope everything works out for the best.

but with that shinhwa thing, like i said before with the SES thing, it was at a concert. so they were able to stopped and have more flexibility on time and what they are allowed to do. but the issue is so complicated because of the whole live TV thing, if they knew that they would perform it again, then they would've stopped and do it again. i just think the LIVE issue is the biggest factor. we will see what happens in the near future.

[Rikku]

and that's that, ne?

wow. what an interesting hour. back to actually doing something more productive with meself.

[LiLKrAzYb0i]

Actually, if you see the HQ performance, you can see that she's kicking and flapping her arms and twisting... So it wasn't like she was just laying there. And her expression was just really painful. Makes things way worse...

yeah, you dont really want to get involved if you dont know whats wrong with her or how to help her. i mean who knows if dragging her off stage was the best thing to do, it might have made the situation worse if her arms were stiff and they were pulling. trying to help someone when you arent sure how to help them sometimes can be worse than not doing anything. you dont really want to grab or move someone that is having a seizure (or what they were probably guessing was a seizure at the time), people die that way (from what i hear).

[Rikku]

that's true. but then that gives them even more reason to stop the performance. how long must she lie there before you act, even if they were aware of medical complications/procedure?

judging by the clip, she was actually pretty near the members... someone could have tripped over her had they not noticed.

ack. LOL. i said i'd leave a minute ago.

[LiLKrAzYb0i]

that's true. but then that gives them even more reason to stop the performance. how long must she lie there before you act, even if they were aware of medical complications/procedure?

ack. LOL. i said i'd leave a minute ago.

yeah, i see what you're saying, but they cant just stop...its a live show. they cant just have people gather around her while the camera is still rollling, not only does it look back for the group, its really bad for the show. oh i forgot to address that too, Inki Gayo is the ones that should take the most responsibility i think. they are in charge of the show and supposed to have backup plans for such events like this or at least react quicker. the fact that the other backup dancer reacting before the crew looks really bad for the show. i think SeeYa is part of that "wrong place at the wrong time" sort of thing. this couldve have easily happened to any other artist or group. if i could rank the blame i would first put it on Inki Gayo, they are in charge they should have been more prepared. then the backup dancers, as someone said before the show can go on with just SeeYa, the backup dancers shouldve helped too. Then SeeYa, just because they are in the spotlight shouldnt mean they should have all/most of the blame. Sure many outcomes couldve happened, but this one did...so what can we do about it? hope the girl will make a 100% recover soon and move on (but it will be hard). eventually people will forget about it, thats how the entertainment business works, once something just as big happens, that will be the flavor of the week. im anxious to see what will happen in the near future...good or bad.

[Poop-Shoop-A-Loop]

Seeya had to keep performing because they couldnt just stop everything, but i think if it was live, they wouldve stopped...but because it was recorded, they had to keep going with the track.

Well, either way we know they're lipsynching, so might as well stop you know? At first I was angry for them seeming so heartless cause they just looked and then kept on dancing. I replayed it a couple of times to see the other's reactions [tried my best not to look at the poor backup dancer T_T] the ones on the side stopped for a bit. The one from the other side came to help her, kinda odd that the ones nearest her still continued as if nothing happened O.O

I wish more countries had a law like France. The Good Samaritan Act, where you're REQUIRED to help if you're a witness / bystander of some incident [ie. car crash]. Cause seriously, professional or not that's just so horrible continuing on not getting help at all.

The least they could have done was stop and get the staff to help her out quick.

That was such a catchy song too =\

They're stupid for not responding quick, and caring about their rep. more but this one did a major blow. It might have gone the opposite way if they DID help in ANY way. But wtf? Why are the people on youtube blaming it on KOREA ?

.. btw is the girl okay? >_<

[AsOne]

^ those blaming on Korea are anglo saxons. Racist people.

I read that apparently that she may die from this.....I hope she can make it through >.<

[Rikku]

^doens't that make you racist for blaming it on a certain race of people yourself?

i think those people blaming Korea are homo sapiens. the worst kind.

[Kisasori]

youtube are full of those ppl..

and yes i scanned the video to see wat ppl were doin without looking at the back dancer.. her mouth was like >0<....

yeonji saw her when she fell down and kept looking at her while dancing,
gyu ri looked like she didnt even notice and boram noticed 22 seconds later and paused dancing a bit and covered her mouth and danced after while watching ppl carry her off

but mainly i reckon its to do with sbs inkigayo, the stage ppl could have done sumfing and dancers who are standing rite behind her

[Hitorijime]

Well I blame those stupid lights. x_x Seriously, why do they need such blinding lights?

But I'm thankful one of the girls had the guts to actually go forward and help her out even if she knew she was jeopardizing her career.

[LiLKrAzYb0i]

i just thought about another reason why they didnt stop...i supposed they didnt want to draw more attention to her. even though its a dangerous matter, they also do not want to embarass her. or when something like that happens, especially on a tv show...its somewhat the shows responsiblity to make things go smoothly and if there is a problem, but make it less noticable as possible. like some of you said, you didnt even notice until you watched it again or someone told you.

oh man i think if i combined my posts for just the past 24 hours, i think i wrote a huge term paper...hehehe sorry for writing so much, but with topics like this, i can ramble for a long time.

[twinkle_l0ve]

^ its alrite..
your posts are worth reading^^

well, that was quite scary >< but i guess they couldnt do anything because of the recording..and its kinda useless if they have to do it again..

[ANJEE<3]

Live performance, not the performers fault. Stage hands were way too slow.

live performance doesn't mean they can't help the poor girl that comlapsed on the ground with a seisure! she could've died



anyone on stage could've done something but they didn't.. they waited for half a minute.. and in that 30secs she could've died and it's not their fault? stage hands were slow yes, but it doesn't mean the people onstage couldn't have done something



and on side note... they were lip syncing

[inez]

..i just hope the dancer is ok..Pray that she has recovered..

[o1hunny]

actually i change my mind,
i think they should have done something + helped right away...
she could have freakin DIED okay`~~~ what matters more? a performance, or someones life \=

if anything happens to the backup dancer, can she sue them?

[viruz]

Those back dancers are disgusting. It happened directly in front of them and they thought their routine was more important. That poor girl looked to be in so much pain, can't believe none of the crew members or the backdancers standing directly behind her did anything until 30 seconds passed by...and how sad is it that one of the backdancer from the other side of the stage walked over to help her out and the idiots right behind her do nothing.

I don't think so, if you look at the higher quality and focus on their expression and where their attention laid, it was surely with the girl on the floor. It's easy to say this and that cause the event has already happened, but when THE time comes you freeze.

For example: some people say "i'll protect my friends or stand up to them" but when THE time comes they remain silent as their friend gets teased. I reckon See Ya did the right thing. I must admit at first i was like ...."wtf.." but after studying the clip and playing it over like 20 times I actually had no hatred for them.

Ps: What was the song's name and where can I get the full perf of that even?

[LiLKrAzYb0i]

live performance doesn't mean they can't help the poor girl that comlapsed on the ground with a seisure! she could've died
anyone on stage could've done something but they didn't.. they waited for half a minute.. and in that 30secs she could've died and it's not their fault? stage hands were slow yes, but it doesn't mean the people onstage couldn't have done something

seriously though, people often die from seizures because people try to move them or hold them down. lets assume that they did do something quick, and then they moved her too soon or something goes wrong and then she dies, then what...they will be blamed for killing her because they didnt know what they were doing and put her in jeopardy. its like the saying goes, "you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't." if you dont know what to do in a situation, then you should let someone else do it. you shouldnt just try to help her if you dont know what to do in a rare/scary situation, and this was definitely one, or else you might make things worse.

sorry if i seem like a SeeYa cult leader, but i would feel the same for any other group or artist. just try to understand what they were going through and how hard it must be to make quick decisions in a time like that. i understand and see why people are upset, but i would give everyone the benefit of the doubt that although they wanted to help, they couldnt for many reasons. this was a complicated situation, so i should leave it as that instead of trying to point the finger. people feel better blaming someone that is innocent, than not blaming anyone at all.

[ANJEE<3]

I don't think so, if you look at the higher quality and focus on their expression and where their attention laid, it was surely with the girl on the floor. It's easy to say this and that cause the event has already happened, but when THE time comes you freeze.

For example: some people say "i'll protect my friends or stand up to them" but when THE time comes they remain silent as their friend gets teased. I reckon See Ya did the right thing. I must admit at first i was like ...."wtf.." but after studying the clip and playing it over like 20 times I actually had no hatred for them.

Ps: What was the song's name and where can I get the full perf of that even?

they looked pretty active to me, with still being able to follow through the dance routine and all... so surpise/shock can't be of use in the arguement

seriously though, people often die from seizures because people try to move them or hold them down. lets assume that they did do something quick, and then they moved her too soon or something goes wrong and then she dies, then what...they will be blamed for killing her because they didnt know what they were doing and put her in jeopardy. its like the saying goes, "you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't." if you dont know what to do in a situation, then you should let someone else do it. you shouldnt just try to help her if you dont know what to do in a rare/scary situation, and this was definitely one, or else you might make things worse.

sorry if i seem like a SeeYa cult leader, but i would feel the same for any other group or artist. just try to understand what they were going through and how hard it must be to make quick decisions in a time like that. i understand and see why people are upset, but i would give everyone the benefit of the doubt that although they wanted to help, they couldnt for many reasons. this was a complicated situation, so i should leave it as that instead of trying to point the finger. people feel better blaming someone that is innocent, than not blaming anyone at all.

i still think they could've/should've done something.. anything! instead of standing there for 30secs doing nothing


what if they had not moved her at all? and she was lying on the floor dead because no one had helped her soon enough..

also.. they hold them down sometimes because of how violent some seisures can be.. and some die because they bite through their tongue during the seizure ><"!


by just leaving her there, they denied her the fastest possible way of getting quick medical help.. they lost 30secs, which may seem insignificant... but not to those in a serious life death situation.. such as this

[o1hunny]

seriously though, people often die from seizures because people try to move them or hold them down. lets assume that they did do something quick, and then they moved her too soon or something goes wrong and then she dies, then what...they will be blamed for killing her because they didnt know what they were doing and put her in jeopardy................

well it would have been better to attempt to help her right? at least see if shes ok.......>_<
i mean if you just left her there, theres not any less of a chance that she wouldn't die...
iono i mean it just looks pretty bad how she collapsed and they LOOKED at her but didn't even do anything....
aiyooooooo ><