[HKS457]

so who can heel toe?

i can do it, but only once in a while where i do a perfect one. my car tends to launch forward when i let go of the clutch, what m i doing wrong?

[KeN VeRsUs RyU]

Too much gas. Happens to me sometimes as well. Learn how to modulate the gas at different rpms while heel/toe. You'll get it in no time.

I can do it pretty well on casual and spirited driving at low to midrange rpms. but i've yet to do it on a track where i have to push the heel/toe a bit harder to match the revs in the higher rpms. I mess up on the braking all the time as well. Oh well.

[boredfast]

its harder to do smoothly at lower rpms, and at a lower speed...

i cant actually "heel toe", but i use the side of my foot and roll the gas while on the brake.

[Brusky]

Mmm...I can pull it off about a third of the time..works best for me in the middle rpm ranges..anything else is chaos haha

[azn akira]

i can do it, its pretty simple once you get the feeling to it.

[ksource]

its harder to do smoothly at lower rpms, and at a lower speed...

i cant actually "heel toe", but i use the side of my foot and roll the gas while on the brake.

Me too, my gas and brake is too close together and my feet is pretty wide, but I guess it depends on the shoe I wear. I actually find it easier to do at lower rpms, since I usually use it to downshift to a stop.

[gongju]

Once u master it, its easy after that. My M3 was abit harder to heek toe coming from the s2000, but after about a month of getting use to, it was flawless each time. There's no better feeling than whizzing around a corner without having to slow down for it! The unlucky one in my passenger seat usually all look like this I don't how anyone can drive manual smoothly without heel-toeing.

[wangta]

i cant do it at all

[i'm lagging yo]

perfect heel toe does not exist for me.

[azn akira]

There's no better feeling than whizzing around a corner without having to slow down for it! The unlucky one in my passenger seat usually all look like this w00t.gif I don't how anyone can drive manual smoothly without heel-toeing.

umm what does that have to do with heel and toe downshifting? when you heel and toe you sorta have to slow down, because you are using the brake, gas and clutch at the same time. when you use the brake you are slowing down...on another note, if you dont need to slow down for a turn then you aren't going fast enough on the straight to the turn

i cant actually "heel toe", but i use the side of my foot and roll the gas while on the brake.

contrary to what the name implies this is the normal way of heel and toe downshifting

[ZiGeNX77]

Yeah I can do it. I need to practice more to get it to be more efficient though.

[gongju]

What I meant was, if you don't heel-toe, then you have to brake much harder unless you want to crunch it into gear. When I didn't know how to heel-toe, I couldn't go fast around the corners because I had to slow down way too much so I could shift down ...or even worse, sometimes I end up changing gears in the middle of a turn...which is a big no, no. You should always be giving it gas around a corner, and finish your braking b4 the turn.

Kind of hard to explain, but my point was that you can't drive aggressively without heel-toeing!

[kuku]

I have a question.

When you heel and toe and gas too much... like 6k rpm instead of like 4k, the engine has to match this and your rpms drops down to 4k. Is this slipping your clutch?

I try not to heel toe since that is what happens when I try.

[boredfast]

yeah, im pretty inconsistant during the week when i'm wearing anything from my work boots (can barely feel the pedals) to my regular basketball shoes. i can actually do it prettttty well in my boots, they're pretty wide and the only hard part is guessing how hard to blip the gas.

^ and I believe the generally accepted notion of "slipping" the clutch only applies to launches off a line whether it be drag racing or normal driving.

um, i guess nobody has really coined a term for what you're talkin about. more like boggin' the engine than anything.

[Brian T]

its harder to do smoothly at lower rpms

I concur. Engine response tends to be lackluster downlow. I usually end up having to blip twice to get it right when low in the RPM. I'm pretty accurate up top. I'm not always dead-on, but it's usually pretty close.

I have a question.

When you heel and toe and gas too much... like 6k rpm instead of like 4k, the engine has to match this and your rpms drops down to 4k. Is this slipping your clutch?

I try not to heel toe since that is what happens when I try.

That's called synchros buddy.

[boredfast]

I concur. Engine response tends to be lackluster downlow. I usually end up having to blip twice to get it right when low in the RPM. I'm pretty accurate up top. I'm not always dead-on, but it's usually pretty close.
That's called synchros buddy.

i think the problem with lower rpms is the car is already moving slow enough, and any movement of the brake pedal will move the car around more than you want. oppose this with higher RPM, higher speed and more constant and harder braking, it's easier to get it smoother.
also, higher in the RPM range, the engine (even if you miss by say 500 RPMS) is much smoother, and you rarely feel a miss like that. kinda how it's easier to drive the car at higher RPMS than lower (in both examples, dumping the clutch b/t shifts)

and i think you mis-interpreted the guy's question he's talkin about already having the car in gear, having the engine speed at say, 5k when rolling along in 6th gear at 20mph, then dumping the clutch. the engine will have to slow down to the speed mated with the tranny.. i.. dont think there's a term for that.. but i doubt slipping the clutch is the right application.. not how the term has evolved anyways

[SoupSandwich]

I find that you have to be more precise in the low rpm range. Mainly because you have less play. At higher rpm's you can afford to work with the gas a bit more..

When I first started out, every time I went for the gass I applied LESS brake instead of keeping it even. Now I can do it fairly well. It's a little bit more difficult on the track though.

Just keep at it.. Soon it will become habit or second nature.

[taoh]

Are any of you using aftermarket pedals for heel and toe?

I find it hard for me to have any control rotating my entire leg to reach the throttle, so I just brake with the left edge of my foot and pivot over to hit the throttle.

I figure I could get better reach on the throttle if I had aftermarket pedals in my S13.

[KeN VeRsUs RyU]

yeah i have aftermarket pedals. It was impossible for me to heel toe on my brother's GSR... the pedals were so far apart that i was too accustomed to my fat aftermarket pedals. And i was too comfortable with using the balls of my feet instead of my heel/toe.

Some Pedals have an extra little ridge on the lower left part of the gas pedal especially made for heel/toe.

[Track-Star]

when i tried my first heel toeing it was around this narrow turn, an since all my focus was on my footing, i wasn't really payin attention to my turn an almost hit a ditch, an daam did that make my heart stop..