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HD-DVD....Worth it? Corporate battle brewing between two DVD formats...

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 02:53 PM

Basically what's going on is that there's a new type of DVD disc coming on the market soon called HD-DVD. It's basically like what you get for HDTV, but for DVDs...The quality is better and there's much more space on each disk.

The problem is that you'll need a new dvd player, Toshiba came out with "H-DVD" and Sony came out with "Blu-Ray", which are basically two names for the same product. But the biggest problem is...

Sony-owned Columbia Tri-Star, MGM (Sony owns 20 per cent of it), 20th Century Fox and Disney are committed to using Blu-ray. Universal, HBO and Warner plan on releasing discs in HD-DVD.

Which means you can't watch a movie from Universal on the Blu-Ray dvd player, which means that to watch dvds in high definition, you need to buy two players to watch movies from both sides of production. I personally think that it's not worth the extra money in buying this new dvd player. First off, High Definition is not TOO much of a factor for me, and second, I want to watch any movie I can on the machine, and if that means buying two different machines for two different movie producers, screw that, I'm staying with regular DVDs.

I think this whole battle is a waste of money and hopefully consumers won't be sucked into buying these machines...So what are your opinions?

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Corporate battle brewing between two DVD formats
Updated Sun. Mar. 5 2006 12:22 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

A corporate battle between two video disc technology formats is brewing with consumers caught in the middle.

"For consumers it's gonna be an ugly mess," CTV's technology expert Kris Abel said.

Toshiba and Sony are competing against each other to dominate the next big thing in video disc technology --movies in high definition.

This new generation of DVDs hold a lot more data and provide a sharper picture. But consumers will also have to buy new machines to watch them.

In a battle reminiscent of the one between Betamax and VHS video tapes, Toshiba has created the HD-DVD, while Sony has developed the Blu-ray.

The discs look identical, but they're not compatible. So Sony's discs will not play in a Toshiba machine and vice-versa.

The new machines may cost from $1,800 for a Blu-ray players to $499 for the Toshiba HD-DVD player.

Both companies tried to create a single format, but failed.

"Both companies left meetings quite upset and won't talk to each other," Abel said.

"They've basically said the battle will now go to the stores and consumers will decide this for us."

In a further complication for consumers, different movie studios are supporting different formats too.

Sony-owned Columbia Tri-Star, MGM (Sony owns 20 per cent of it), 20th Century Fox and Disney are committed to using Blu-ray. Universal, HBO and Warner plan on releasing discs in HD-DVD.

Sony believes people will also turn to Blu-ray when the new PlayStation 3 will be released with a Blu-ray player.

"With the installed base of PlayStation, we do think we have an enormous advantage," Howard Stringer, chairman and chief executive officer of Sony Corp, told The Associated Press.


Henning Molbaek, editor-in-chief of HDVD.org, believes a battle between the formats is inevitable.

"Both formats look strong and, sadly, it looks like a format war is unavoidable," Molbaek wrote on the website.

Molbaek also believes the discs should be judged on more than their technical quality as both discs provide the best possible high-definition.

"One should also look at the cost for implementation and manufacturing. HD-DVD is much cheaper and faster to produce," he also wrote.

Molbaek thinks another important factor in this war will depend on whether or not people understand their names.

"Ordinary people know what DVD is about, and they can easily understand that HD-DVD has the benefits of DVD, but with HD content. With Blu-ray you have to explain all over again that it is like DVD, only better."

The HD-DVD will also have the advantage of entering the market first with a planned release for March. The Blu-ray players will be available one or two months later.

With a report from CTV's John Vennavally-Rao and files from The Associated Press

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 03:04 PM

well there is already a hd upconversion dvd player. i would like the extra quality cuz regular dvd players with progressive (480p) just dont cut it especially with a 50 inch or bigger plasma and lcd flat panel
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 03:08 PM

QUOTE(xkrndreamer @ Mar 6 2006, 06:04 PM) View Post

well there is already a hd upconversion dvd player. i would like the extra quality cuz regular dvd players with progressive (480p) just dont cut it especially with a 50 inch or bigger plasma and lcd flat panel


That's true. I have a 50+ inch tv and yes, a lot of the things I watch on tv and or dvd is blurred a little, but I wouldn't pay $1,800 for the Sony player AND $499 for the Toshiba, plus the cost of dvds. It seems like such a waste to me =S
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 03:12 PM

I'll be happy to report that Samsung has been working on a universal optical disc player supporting both Blu-ray & HD-DVD for some time now. I seriously hope that both formats bomb. Sony has been pushing proprietary formats for some time and deserve whatever is coming. tongue.gif Though it would be nice to have a true HD feed to my HDTV but upscaled 720p is good enough for now. I wasn't that impressed with HD-DVD, Toshiba had a stop in NYC a few weeks ago to show off HD-DVD to the public...in short I wasn't all that impressed but the audio was top notch. smile.gif
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 03:30 PM

it's basically vhs vs beta (for those of you who can remember or know what i'm talking about) all over again.

it's a stupid battle, and we most likely won't see a clear winner for another few years... for now just hang back... and see what products come out... there may be hd-dvd/bluray combo drives coming out eventually... or maybe not
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 07:13 PM

I would bet on HD-DVD just because I have a grudge against sony properity products.
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Posted 07 March 2006 - 08:18 AM

Manufactures will prob make players that can read both HD and Blue, but will cost an arm and a leg.
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Posted 07 March 2006 - 09:43 AM

Yeah, they probably will. But I dont think the lasers can adapt to read the other formats right? Blueray needs a blue laser and HDdvd needs to use another laser... or something like that right?
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Posted 07 March 2006 - 11:11 AM

QUOTE(awdark @ Mar 7 2006, 09:43 AM) View Post

Yeah, they probably will. But I dont think the lasers can adapt to read the other formats right? Blueray needs a blue laser and HDdvd needs to use another laser... or something like that right?


actually they are both using 405 nm wavelength blue laser
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Posted 07 March 2006 - 12:01 PM

Really? then its not as bad as it sounds then. We can have high hopes for dual format drives from other companies like LiteOn.
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Post icon  Posted 07 March 2006 - 01:49 PM

I just checked on google with the latest news concerning Samsung's dual dvd player and it seems it's not gonna happen after all, at least not for now. mad.gif

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/10/samsung...yer-is-a-no-go/

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We had no idea there were licensing agreements in place that prevented a dual-mode player, but apparently "Until everyone agrees to check their egos at the door and help the consumer, there is nothing [Samsung] can do about a universal product."

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 02:05 PM

Eventhough I watch things at 720 and up whenever I can; I can wait on hd/b-r until companies actually utilize the damn thing. It's like watching a dvd that has vcd quality crap w/90% of the disc still free.
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Posted 07 March 2006 - 02:27 PM

Plus we will have to buy a new HDTV set with native resolution of 1920x1080 that can display AND accept 1080p signal.
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Posted 07 March 2006 - 03:47 PM

QUOTE(system @ Mar 7 2006, 02:27 PM) View Post

Plus we will have to buy a new HDTV set with native resolution of 1920x1080 that can display AND accept 1080p signal.
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heck yeah. how many ppl now can do 1080p?

on that note it'll still be couple more years after HD DVD and Blue Ray hit the market before all the nice players and TV will be out that the consumer majority can afford to buy.
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Post icon  Posted 07 March 2006 - 08:42 PM

QUOTE(CK92842 @ Mar 7 2006, 04:49 PM) View Post

I just checked on google with the latest news concerning Samsung's dual dvd player and it seems it's not gonna happen after all, at least not for now. mad.gif

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/10/samsung...yer-is-a-no-go/

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 11:11 PM

I think you should wait. It is too early to tell which format is better. The price is going to be very expensive to start. I wouldn't gamble on any of them at the moment.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 07:23 AM

i don't watch a great deal of DVDs nowadays so i'm happy to just wait until the general populace settles on a new format

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if this is true then i've got a feeling that reputable chinese companies such as Somy and Toshibo will have universal players out faster than you can say reverse-engineering
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:00 AM

QUOTE(boka @ Mar 8 2006, 07:23 AM) View Post

i don't watch a great deal of DVDs nowadays so i'm happy to just wait until the general populace settles on a new format
if this is true then i've got a feeling that reputable chinese companies such as Somy and Toshibo will have universal players out faster than you can say reverse-engineering


sadly they aren't the same. One writes closer to the disc layer and the other writes further away from the disc layer.

While that may sound simple, it is not. Also Blue Ray store alot more info than HD DVD
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 01:26 PM

i just bought a freakin hd tv.. it costed me a arm and a leg.. but the problem is i DONT FREAKIN HAVE 1080P SUPPORT AFSFGHDLSGHLSD >:(
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE(knightvision91 @ Mar 8 2006, 01:26 PM) View Post

i just bought a freakin hd tv.. it costed me a arm and a leg.. but the problem is i DONT FREAKIN HAVE 1080P SUPPORT AFSFGHDLSGHLSD >:(


then you didn't buy a "real" hd tv tongue.gif

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