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#1 User is offline   Oyasumiyabi 

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 05:49 PM

So what kpop or other genre singers do you think sings mostly in chest voice? or head voice? Are they 반가성 (lee soo young && kim jong kook etc ) or fully 가성 like park ji yoon? Also, who do you think has the most 가창력? i would think SGwannabe... yea i just wanted some opinion on this. x] Thanks! Oh and what do you think sounds the best? What type of style?
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 06:09 PM

head as in falsetto? and chest as in the low voice..that uses most of their stomachs? I'm not getting it >.>


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Posted 06 March 2006 - 06:35 PM

wait... you mean like singers that sings like soft?
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 07:00 PM

both head & chest voice breathes in deeply from their stomach using their diaphragm. Head voice is when you loosen your neck and you generally can go very much higher but it feels like it lacks something. in korea, they call this "kasung" i believe, which means fake voice. Chest voice is deeper sounding. And "bankasung" means half fake? i think it's being able to use both very naturally....and lee soo young is known to be very good at this which is why people consider her a good singer.
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 07:56 PM

QUOTE(Oyasumiyabi @ Mar 6 2006, 10:00 PM) View Post

both head & chest voice breathes in deeply from their stomach using their diaphragm. Head voice is when you loosen your neck and you generally can go very much higher but it feels like it lacks something. in korea, they call this "kasung" i believe, which means fake voice. Chest voice is deeper sounding. And "bankasung" means half fake? i think it's being able to use both very naturally....and lee soo young is known to be very good at this which is why people consider her a good singer.


fany-defeinitely chest/stomach
brian-i think he holds something in between. although his voice sounds primarily similar whatever part of the body he uses, i can tell when he's aiming for the deeper and stronger note or a higher and neck note
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 08:33 PM

When I thnk of males using head voice, I usually think of Shin Hyesung...loooovely voice. Sure, not as 'manly' as all the guys using chest voice, but oh so beautiful lol

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 08:37 PM

the problem with trying to compare this is that pop singers don't sing using they're diaphragm, or if they do it's very limited because they dance, and even if they don't, singing from one's diaphragm involves the resonance and vibration of the vocal folds, causing the voice to ring loud and clear: this would not be something to do in front of a mic. Each singer has his or own style of singing, and while you can't say one is right, you can't say someone's style is wrong either because what works for one, doesn't always work for another and vice versa. If anyone remembers my posts on the old soompi's singing forums, my ID was BOALUVA, I mentioned all these things

o yeah, one other thing, if you sing from your diaphragm, you ARE singing using your chest voice, you can't have one without the other, it won't work. and head voice is very shrill sounding, it wouldn't fly with pop but it DOES work with opera
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE(Infiniti @ Mar 6 2006, 10:37 PM) View Post

the problem with trying to compare this is that pop singers don't sing using they're diaphragm, or if they do it's very limited because they dance, and even if they don't, singing from one's diaphragm involves the resonance and vibration of the vocal folds, causing the voice to ring loud and clear: this would not be something to do in front of a mic. Each singer has his or own style of singing, and while you can't say one is right, you can't say someone's style is wrong either because what works for one, doesn't always work for another and vice versa. If anyone remembers my posts on the old soompi's singing forums, my ID was BOALUVA, I mentioned all these things

o yeah, one other thing, if you sing from your diaphragm, you ARE singing using your chest voice, you can't have one without the other, it won't work. and head voice is very shrill sounding, it wouldn't fly with pop but it DOES work with opera


i never said anyone was "wrong" or "right"... i was just wondering how the k-singers preferred to sing cause i was reading some articles on korean sites about k-singers' singing ability... and how they were using "kasung", "bankasung" and "doosung"/ "jinsung" And i never said that you are NOT using your diaphragm when you use your chest voice. in fact i said that you do. But when some people sing from chest, they literally "sing from chest" as in they don't take in air fully, therefore, the air going into lungs stop midway into their chest and not to the bottomn of their lungs. And i'd think that head voice "fly"s with kpop since alot of kpop singers utilize it... hence the term "bankasung" such as Kim Jong Kook and Lee Soo Young. Even SGwannabe boys use it well. Although, it can be taken to extremes like Park Ji Yoon--she sounds almost all "kasung" and opera-ish.
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 08:52 PM

head: Jo Sung Mo?
Chest: uh.. Park Hyo Shin? lol
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 08:52 PM

chest voice is for lower notes. it pretty much sounds a lot stronger than head voice because you have more support from your diaphragm. head voice is for higher notes and it has a lighter tone. the sound is softer but if the singer pushes hard enough it could be as loud as chest voice. they both sound good but female singers especially make more transitions between head and chest voice because they can only go so far in their chest voice.

guys aren't really that great of an example to use for head voice/chest voice because they have a different quality when they sing called falsetto. for that, fly to the sky's songs for hwanhee are pretty good examples because his voice is really deep and all of a sudden is really high. it's complicated because guys have different voices (tenors & basses & baritones & all that). girls more commonly sing in their head voices because it gives you a better range, but there are exceptions.

i think the best example to see the difference between head and chest voice is BoA, especially in the songs My Prayer and My Name. you can hear the difference in tone quality because the lower parts sound better supported than when she sings really high.

some people are just blessed with a really good chest voice range, so they don't sing much in their head voice. someone like gummy uses her chest voice almost all of the time, which is why she can belt out those really high notes. another example of someone who uses their chest voice most of the time is lim jung hee. in all her songs her voice has a really strong, well-supported and rich quality to it, but when she was featured in joosuc's song (hip hop music), at the end of it her voice was a lot lighter, which was her head voice.

it's people who are known to have really powerful and amazing voices that have a good chest voice range. (again, with exceptions.)

this whole head voice / chest voice thing gets really complicated when you have singers like kim jong kook cause his voice is so frickken high and compressed you can't really tell the difference. and you also have some singers who only sing in chest voice because it sounds more unique (head voices sound more similar and are generic, hence sopranos in a choir).

personally, i think chest voice is better because it's a lot more soulful and emotional and just sounds better, but it gets to a point where some people just can't hit certain notes in their chest voice so when they push too hard it sounds compressed or they crack or it's flat.

r&b singers usually sing in chest voice because their range allows it. pop music is more head voice, but thats arguable sometimes.

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:06 PM

I heard KCM uses his head to sing. Someone told me that everytime he sang live, he sounds really good, but his head, I don't know, shakes a little?

Since, KJK and KCM sound alike, I guess you can say KJK uses head voice?

So anyone want to correct me and explain more to depth on KCM's case?

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE(mango.baby @ Mar 6 2006, 10:52 PM) View Post

chest voice is for lower notes. it pretty much sounds a lot stronger than head voice because you have more support from your diaphragm. head voice is for higher notes and it has a lighter tone. the sound is softer but if the singer pushes hard enough it could be as loud as chest voice. they both sound good but female singers especially make more transitions between head and chest voice because they can only go so far in their chest voice.

guys aren't really that great of an example to use for head voice/chest voice because they have a different quality when they sing called falsetto. for that, fly to the sky's songs for hwanhee are pretty good examples because his voice is really deep and all of a sudden is really high. it's complicated because guys have different voices (tenors & basses & baritones & all that). girls more commonly sing in their head voices because it gives you a better range, but there are exceptions.

i think the best example to see the difference between head and chest voice is BoA, especially in the songs My Prayer and My Name. you can hear the difference in tone quality because the lower parts sound better supported than when she sings really high.

some people are just blessed with a really good chest voice range, so they don't sing much in their head voice. someone like gummy uses her chest voice almost all of the time, which is why she can belt out those really high notes. another example of someone who uses their chest voice most of the time is lim jung hee. in all her songs her voice has a really strong, well-supported and rich quality to it, but when she was featured in joosuc's song (hip hop music), at the end of it her voice was a lot lighter, which was her head voice.

it's people who are known to have really powerful and amazing voices that have a good chest voice range. (again, with exceptions.)

this whole head voice / chest voice thing gets really complicated when you have singers like kim jong kook cause his voice is so frickken high and compressed you can't really tell the difference. and you also have some singers who only sing in chest voice because it sounds more unique (head voices sound more similar and are generic, hence sopranos in a choir).

personally, i think chest voice is better because it's a lot more soulful and emotional and just sounds better, but it gets to a point where some people just can't hit certain notes in their chest voice so when they push too hard it sounds compressed or they crack or it's flat.

r&b singers usually sing in chest voice because their range allows it. pop music is more head voice, but thats arguable sometimes.

whew. i think i'm done. any questions?


Thank you for your wonderful reply. xD I started taking voice lessons, and i was looking online for info on what type of style k-artists sang in which got me to wonder some more and i decided to post it on soompi. I sing both in head and chest [my chest needs alot of work though lol] and i thought about what would be more appealing "chest or head". Okay, i sort of sound confused now. lol sorry. But yea, thanks for your answer. I like/want to sing r&b style of music, so i guess i have to improve on my chest, eh? x]
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:18 PM

KCM is also one of those people that's just really hard to tell what type of voice he uses. his voice is so compressed and high and kind of nasally so it's not really distinguishable whether it's his head voice or his chest voice. i've never heard him sing falsetto, and he doesn't need to, so he probably uses his chest voice, it's just a ridiculously high voice.

same with kim jong kook. if you hear him in the turbo song "Hweh-Sahng" he sings really high at one point in the chorus but it isn't falsetto. these guys are just special cases.

and to Oyasumiyabi, r&b is rhythm and BLUES, meaning more emotion in a voice. some singers have such powerful voices you could hear the emotion they're trying to express. and chest voice enables you to do that a lot better because the tone is a lot richer and stronger. you shouldn't push too hard though because then you'll end up straining your voice.

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:18 PM

whoa

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:23 PM

QUOTE(mango.baby @ Mar 7 2006, 12:18 AM) View Post

KCM is also one of those people that's just really hard to tell what type of voice he uses. his voice is so compressed and high and kind of nasally so it's not really distinguishable whether it's his head voice or his chest voice. i've never heard him sing falsetto, and he doesn't need to, so he probably uses his chest voice, it's just a ridiculously high voice.

same with kim jong kook. if you hear him in the turbo song "Hweh-Sahng" he sings really high at one point in the chorus but it isn't falsetto. these guys are just special cases.

and to Oyasumiyabi, r&b is rhythm and BLUES, meaning more emotion in a voice. some singers have such powerful voices you could hear the emotion they're trying to express. and chest voice enables you to do that a lot better because the tone is a lot richer and stronger. you shouldn't push too hard though because then you'll end up straining your voice.

gosh KJK...I first remember hearing Turbo and trying to figure out whether it was a male or female. I was seriously on the fence with that one until I looked it up online lol
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But yea, R&B is mostly about the emotion. You don't necessarily have to push the power too too much. A female R&B singer should, most importantly, have a sort of rich, silky quality to her voice...to use words unrelated to music. I know Aaliyah was a good example of emotion without the power, and it was always nice to listen to her.
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:41 PM

falseto/head voice..... first names that pop up... HYESUNG AND KANGTA... HAHA =P


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Posted 06 March 2006 - 10:02 PM

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falseto/head voice..... first names that pop up... HYESUNG AND KANGTA... HAHA =P
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falsetto and head voice are two different things. Head voice uses fully adducted (closed) vocal cords; falsetto does not. Oh, and i read some more into this, and i realized that i need to develop a strong "mix". x] which is basically "bankasung" like lee soo young. lol
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE(Oyasumiyabi @ Mar 6 2006, 07:49 PM) View Post

So what kpop or other genre singers do you think sings mostly in chest voice? or head voice? Are they 반가성 (lee soo young && kim jong kook etc ) or fully 가성 like park ji yoon? Also, who do you think has the most 가창력? i would think SGwannabe... yea i just wanted some opinion on this. x] Thanks! Oh and what do you think sounds the best? What type of style?


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Posted 06 March 2006 - 11:02 PM

노래를 부를 수 있는 능력을 말하는 겁니다. 좋은 음색과 함께 음역의 폭도 넓고 그 노래를 감정을 실어 부를 수 있는 능력을 말하는 겁니다.
It is basically their ability to sing well.... as in good tone/pitch/range/knowing your bridges/breaks...and what not...so basically what a good singer must have
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 11:15 PM

beautiful eugene noona sings from the hearts thats why her singing is so beautiful and pleasant
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