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#1 User is offline   Foreversky 

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 06:25 PM

HOW.TO.ENJOY.HIPHOP

I just wanted to share my experiences and strategies/methods(?) on how to really "enjoy" hiphop. This is completely what I (<- keyword) think. You may agree/disagree. It may or may not help you.

I know i'm REALLY enjoying hiphop if I can get "drunk" from it. Im sooo into it, I literally feel drunken. The music flows into my body and soul, as if im really "feeling" it. I forget everything, loose all tensions/stress, and feel 'light' headed. (NOT HIGH sleep.gif;;)

1. Never force the music into you. Don't try 2 'grasp' it or "feel" it right away. Just let it come to you naturally. If you force yourself to sleep, what happens? Dunno bout u folks, but when I FORCE myself to sleep, i end up staying up to like 3-4am. But if you don't think about it and just let it "come" to you, you fall asleep without knowing. Same applies to hiphop, just let it come to you naturally.

2. In relations to method one, give the song couple of listens before you go about judging it (it sucks, its soooo good, i don't get it, its not mystyle, etc). The song you absolutely hate on your first try, could end up being your all time favorite after the 10th try. There are many songs where the true beauty is hidden deep deep inside. Sure, there are definitely songs that sound flashy and addicting, but there are also many songs that are completely wack. The more you listen to the better it gets. (in my case: p-type, garion, paloalto, 4wd just to name a few).

3. It's pointless to listen to hiphop unless you can comprehend the mc's message (lyric, philosophy, statements, ryhmes, flow). Hip hop is mostly about ryhmes and the beats. It's crucial to know what message the MC is trying to get across to you. Also the method is important too, how the message is being presented. "Rap is another drum", - P-type. If you can't understand the words, all your listening to is nothing but beats- which in that case there is no way you'll ever like hiphop.

4. Read the whole lyric. Why? So you get a better sense what kind of song your listening too. Maybe im stupid, but i can never understand the song 100% just by listening to it. I need to see the words by my eyes. Trust me, it helps.

5. Try to relate to the song's message/meaning. Hiphop mainly talks about a specific life-style, and what the MC thinks/feels/sees about it. Put yourselves in their shoes and try relating to them. Doing so you'll be able to comprehend the message x10 better. Personally, the reason why i like hiphop so much is that i can relate to the lyrics. If you can relate to it, then you can feel it. If you can feel it, you end up enjoying it.

6. If you have a song that you absolutely love, its obvious: memorize the lyric

7. Buy the damn ALBUM. I can't stress this enuff. Hiphop musicans (MC's) don't realli make alot of money compared to mainstream musicans. In worst case, they go in debt (they loan money from bank to create their album, it takes grands to produce and master 1 song). Support your MC, so he can make better albums later on. Show some appreciation, it only takes 10-15$ for an album that MC's stay up all day and nights writting lyrics. Plus, the CD has A LOT BETTER sound quality than MP3's. ITS A FACT. Musics in CD's are 360k bit quality music. MP3's are RIPPED version of the tracks, and mp3's have 120k or less bit in them. THAT'S BIG DIFFERENCE...

This is all i can think of for now, i had more to say in mind..

Why i took time and effort writing this? Few reasons:

1. People talk too much crap about hiphop without knowing jack shi+. It's sad.

2. Most people i know listens to hiphop, but don't realli know what their listeniting too... They think they like it, but they only get maybe 30-40% out of it. Just because you like YG and 1tym doesn't mean u know hiphop.

3. To better understand hiphop. That hiphop is not something you can just pick up and start enjoying. (some cases)

To be completely honest, I was at work and was bored. Thank you. Bye
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Posted 13 October 2005 - 08:02 PM

that's not always true. yeah you're just listening but it doesn't mean you won't like it--just that you won't get the whole experience. sometimes i enjoy hiphop tracks more when i don't understand because i can just appreciate the flow and beats without worrying about whether the lyrics are pointless or just plain sh*t.

and yeah knowing 1TYM doesn't mean anything. i find them funny (not necessarily in a good way) but that's about it.

btw i like 4wd too except he's one of those Japanese MC's who yells all the time, which gets on my nerves--him and Aquarius.
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Posted 13 October 2005 - 08:46 PM

i can't understand korean rappers but i enjoy their music anyway. i know i'm missing out on a big part of the song but i still like it anyway. i can't really explain why though. it's just my preferred genre of music i guess.

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 12:41 AM

i agree for the most part. but even if an mc has a good message, if the song itself sounds bad, no matter how much i listen to it it wont grow on me.

lyrics is wat i listen for the most, but there needs to b a balance of flow and delivery along with a good beat.
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 07:26 PM

Here's my guide to getting into punk music:

1) Go to a show

2) Get too drunk

After this rigorous program, you likely will feel it too. You might not remember, however.
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 08:35 PM

QUOTE(RACETRAITOR @ Oct 17 2005, 12:26 PM) View Post

Here's my guide to getting into punk music:

1) Go to a show

2) Get too drunk

After this rigorous program, you likely will feel it too. You might not remember, however.

Does it work if you invert the steps? For example, get too drunk and then go to a show.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 03:17 AM

QUOTE(tokaebi @ Oct 17 2005, 01:35 PM) View Post

Does it work if you invert the steps? For example, get too drunk and then go to a show.

i think those rules are inter-changable

i think it should be a bullet system instead of numbers...that way it's not like saying "you must go sober and leave thrashed"...if youve got an 11:30pm train to catch (out here) then go thrashed, and just try to leave under your own power...if you get too thrashed and just pass out...be sure to have like a pillow or blanket and just crash at the station like everone else does xD
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 05:43 AM

i think i'll enjoy going to live punk bands under this system of fun.


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Posted 17 October 2005 - 08:50 AM

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3. It's pointless to listen to hiphop unless you can comprehend the mc's message (lyric, philosophy, statements, ryhmes, flow). Hip hop is mostly about ryhmes and the beats. It's crucial to know what message the MC is trying to get across to you. Also the method is important too, how the message is being presented. "Rap is another drum", - P-type. If you can't understand the words, all your listening to is nothing but beats- which in that case there is no way you'll ever like hiphop.


well as someone who isn't able to understand fully, I can assure you , that your comment and actually your whole guide is full of crap. You don't need to understand the lyrics to enjoy and love hip hop. I listen to hip hop worldwide. Wether it be Korea, US, japan, germany, france, latin america, because you can feel what they are saying. I have been listenin to hip hop from Korea since 1999, and I can tell when a song is good or bad, or an artist is. Your sole basis is pretty much on lyrics, which is wrong.

Hip Hop = 4 elements (Rapping, Graphitti, Breaking, Scratching)


it's easy to sit there and say "This is completely what I (<- keyword) think." It tries and keep scrutiny off of what you say, but it doesn't take any of it away and the fact you sound like a complete ass for sitting there trying to dictate how people may or may not know hip hop for your reasonings.

the only points I think are truthful = YG and 1tym, as they are of the hip-pop genre. (genre created in japan, before I get idiots claiming its not a real genre)
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 12:30 PM

G-Nitro. Your funny man.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 07:48 PM

Nope, it's not interchangeable. The key is to drink with people, not show up smashed and barf on their shoes. You need your stamina.

And catching the last train is for babies. The 5:30am train is the one for you.

And I agree with those of you that hip-hop isn't only about the lyrics. No music is. How many of you know all the exact words to every Beatles song? You can enjoy and not understand.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 07:52 PM

All I know is music and marijuana is a powerful combination.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 09:09 PM

QUOTE(RACETRAITOR @ Oct 18 2005, 12:48 PM) View Post

Nope, it's not interchangeable. The key is to drink with people, not show up smashed and barf on their shoes. You need your stamina.

And catching the last train is for babies. The 5:30am train is the one for you.

And I agree with those of you that hip-hop isn't only about the lyrics. No music is. How many of you know all the exact words to every Beatles song? You can enjoy and not understand.

Ah this is so. No one enjoys getting barfed upon (nice use of the word "barf" by the way).

I agree with what you are saying about the lyrics of the song. There are many cases where even if you understand exactly what is being said in a song the meaning of the song can be totally lost. Lyrics are not the be all and end all of any kind of music.
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 12:35 AM

QUOTE(idyllic @ Oct 18 2005, 12:52 PM) View Post

All I know is music and marijuana is a powerful combination.


Sadly not in Korea. That's why there's no good reggae.
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 02:55 AM

as far as hiphop goes from my point of view, i listen to the flow first followed by the beat

a lot of people in the business can flow with the beat, but i like to listen to something that doesnt instantly mesh. a flow that is a little more complicated...you know, something like what Leessang does, defconn from time to time, juvie train, and a handfull of others....to me, it makes the track a bit more complex and gives me the feeling that theyre trying to convey more than just one message, but a multitude of different artistic ideas and messages. just by a type of flow that doesnt necessarilly go with the beat....kind of an off-beat flow

but that's just me
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Posted 21 October 2005 - 05:30 AM

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Posted 21 October 2005 - 09:26 AM

hahaha...dats good info..buh jang pilmo is gay..da one dat posted on top of me...
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Posted 22 October 2005 - 02:31 AM

QUOTE(Trejiiten @ Oct 19 2005, 03:55 AM) View Post

just by a type of flow that doesnt necessarilly go with the beat....kind of an off-beat flow


i never knew u could get props for not knowing how to ride a beat. i like it when mc's switch it up and have a non-typical flow too, but if its off beat i cant stand to hear it.

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE(Hep D MC @ Oct 14 2005, 02:41 AM) View Post

i agree for the most part. but even if an mc has a good message, if the song itself sounds bad, no matter how much i listen to it it wont grow on me.

lyrics is wat i listen for the most, but there needs to b a balance of flow and delivery along with a good beat.



100% agree, the song itself has to sound good first for me... then I will listen and look into the lyrics.

for eg.

Yes, ok by leessang (on their 1st)

My mate keeps going its ome of the best lyrics in k hip hop, but I just cant get myself to feel the song.

so for me, its always the music first.

When it comes to lyrics, the lyrics itself might be good, but delivery heavily impacts as well...

so my 2 cents is,
its always a mixture of things, but the music itself has to soung good first.

Oh and Hep, when you talk about "off-beat" or whatever,
I think the other dude.. who was tlaking about leessang I think...
I think he was tlaking abotu like... "엇박??" <-- Im not sure about this concept myself, my mate told me about it...

like ... the difference between rappers like

choiza/gary --> gaeko/sean2slow

dunno, obvuiously gaeko's my fav "rapper". but im only talking 'rapping' terms when i say that.

anyways, thats my rant.

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Posted 05 November 2005 - 09:25 PM

Yeah it is true that you don't need to know the lyrics in order to enjoy hip hop, but I prefer to know them specifically to understand the message that the singers/rappers are trying to get across. However, sometimes I get the impression that most rappers don't even know what they are rapping about. But then there are others that exactly know what they rap about, and it's worth it to know what they are saying. If I was listening to Tupac's "Dear Mama", I would enjoy it a lot if I actually knew the lyrics instead of just listen to the song not knowing a single word of what he was saying.
Well, actually I would rather listen to a song for it's beats than for it's lyrics.
So yeah, you can enjoy the dope beats of a song, but it would help if you knew what lyrics you were actually listening to. What harm could it do to take a peek at the lyrics or it's translations?
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