[kellyngt]

Im really stuck inbetween i don't know what to think about her or anything else. Ill just continue to support her as an artist... if she does come back T__T

some netizens are really really tearing her apart til she practically can't show her face anymore.
the truth is any scandal will affect your career, your image, your whole life.....

we will never know the truth because there are always rumors surrounding it..... T__T

I really like your post, and completely agree with what you said.
Its complicated and really hard to think whats the true of this story.
Rumors are all around us, i don't wanna see Ivy as a bad person. Eventhough/If she had dated Whee Sung, it doesn't matter but its so impossible that she cheated on Yoo. Its unacceptable.
I remember what she said on YSMM, she said that she had never dumped a guy in her life.
...i don't know what to think now...we are not in that situation so we don't know exactly whats going on.
Hopefully this case would be solve as soon as posible so Ivy could back to work, i really miss her...

[cindel25]

I think it's true that Wheesung and Ivy dated; out of all the people the crazy pick, why Wheesung? Does anyone know how this scandal is effecting him?

I think Ivy will bounce back from this; isn't extortion a crime in Korea so people will most likely believe her over him.

[mochamist]

Korean entertainment allows netizens to have way too much power, determining an artist's success or downfall. In America, online users do bash celebrities, even making petitions, but celebrities don't LOOK at the comments (or at least many of them don't as time goes on) and they go on with their work despite Anti's, being successful no matter what anyone says because it's professional critics that decide. Korean artists spend way too much of their time crying and listening to crazy netizens. Even the Korean news, newspaper spend way to much time concentrating that "netizens say this...netizens say that..." Netizens are losers with no lives who take out their anger on celebrities. People believe in rumors way too easily. Ivy should address this just for her image-sake and to other companies b/c he's going trying to defame her (I'm not sure what they do in Korea, but obviously in America you can sue and win for slander & it'll be over and done with), not because of some netizens who know nothing. Also the Korean entertainment is widely forgiving. Scandals such as Hyori for plagarism (which can kinda ruin ur entire career in America b/c u'll always live with that stigma), which I think is a thousand times worse than personal problems b/c it undermines ur credit as an artist, are never even mentioned anymore.

[chiyo]

^

mochamist i think you are misunderstanding something. the difference between the korean entertainment business and the american one isn�t that big. it�s just that korea is one of the countries with the most internet use, which means things get exposed much more on the internet. however it�s not really the netizen, who have the power to decide over a celebrity. it�s the consumers and fans in real life, who buy cds/dvds etc (just like in the american entertainment business). however netizen represent the masses opinion by posting up comments etc. you know, they just speak out online what people in real life talk about at school/work etc.

careers in america don�t depend on professional critics either. if people (netizen, consumers etc.) don�t like an artist for whatever reason they have the power to destroy his/her career by boykotting his products as well. and also there have been a bunch of rumors about american artists, which surfaced on the internet... and yes it gave them a blow to their careers too ^^ (the scandals were of different types than in korea, but that is because of the cultural differences)

other than that i don�t think we need to worry too much about ivy�s career. she�s obviously in the victim role, so people will be on her side. (her antifans are another thing, but they were antis even before this whole thing came up. so i don�t think it makes a difference. she should be able to recover and make a comeback even if it means, she�ll lose fans. )

as for wheesung, i don�t think this scandal will effect him that much. it�ll give him unwanted publicity, but he�s another victim here... so i don�t think people will make a big fuss about it.

[damifino]

At the press conference, the reporters asked "If you look at Mr. Yoo's minihompy, he claims 'The break up was caused by Ivy seeing another entertainer,'" and Fantom representatives said "We are well aware of that. We asked Ivy regarding that situation so we found out what it was all about. The thing we have to be careful about is that Mr. Yoo is a party and so is Mr. H. So it's difficult for us to touch upon it."

I don't like the way they worded their answer... Fantom needs to get new reps who are better at fending off reporters questions than this. Why did they even mention Mr. H? None of the reporters did. They basically confirmed that something was going on

[suejinners]

Baek Ji Young was SECRETLY videotaped by her boyfriend/manager and he released it out of spite after she broke up with him... not much different than Ivy's scenario IF what Yoo said is true. It wasn't like Pamela Anderson or Paris Hilton where they were willing participants in the videotaping and the tape just got out. If folks are judging Ivy for having pre-marital sex, it's ridiculous in this day and age to think that folks in their mid-20s will remain virgins until they get married, especially in the entertainment world.
The netizens didn't have to make a guess that it was Wheesung... Yoo practically said it was him on his minihompy, referring to the other guy as Mr. "Choi" and showing Wheesung's torn up album cover. Yoo also inferred that Ivy played the both of them, as in Wheesung didn't know that she had a boyfriend either.

For me, it doesn't change my view of Ivy at all. Even if she cheated on her boyfriends, what's it to me? It might be morally reprehensible, but she didn't break a law and it's her life. She has to live it as she sees fit.

BJY's case was soo awful. I def do not want someone to go through that again. thats what first popped into my head when i read about ivy..
First some netizens were saying it was either wheesung or this other guy but when they digged through his minihompy they found out it was really indeed wheesung i saw the torn up album pic too. at first i couldn't tell what it was until i read the comments.... o__o..

its gonna suck if they start going up to wheesung. but right now from what ive read everyone feels sorry for wheesung. from what ive read at bestiz naver daum they pretty much agree that Yoo is crazy but hate on Ivy for "cheating" if the rumor is true.

^im glad it doesn't change your view of ivy. ive always liked reading your comments around soompi. because you always seem to have a great point and very knowledgable about certain things. ^^..

I would be lying if i said it didn't change my view on ivy. i still love her as an artist. I never knew her personally and prob never will but I've always thought she had a good soul. something like this put a small scratch in my screen but im still her fan and will support her.

Seriously, its so funny how naive people are thinking that people aren't dating and not having sex... especially in the entertainment world....

netizens do play a big role because i guess reporters see them as fans voicing out their opinions 24/7 it gives them easy access on what ppl are thinking on the top of their heads whether the comments are foolish or not.

why pick wheesung? why not? hes a great talented guy, his stage presence is amazing and they could have connected on many levels because they have the same occupation. he did work on SOT for her.. so i didn't find it too surprising.
UGH i realllllly do not like Fantom. ive complained about them before .. earlier this year too.. i agree with damifino the rep did notttt word his answers well. but overall it seems like their reps are crappy anyways -__-;; they do NOT know how to handle their business like other companies...

She will bounce back but it will obviously take time.
-why is it that all these bad things happen towards the end of the year for the k entertainment world? i think i read an article about it too...
-oh and thanks to everyone who have commented in a mature rational way. i was thinking there would be some spastic immature comments lol .

[damifino]

Korean entertainment allows netizens to have way too much power, determining an artist's success or downfall. In America, online users do bash celebrities, even making petitions, but celebrities don't LOOK at the comments (or at least many of them don't as time goes on) and they go on with their work despite Anti's, being successful no matter what anyone says because it's professional critics that decide. Korean artists spend way too much of their time crying and listening to crazy netizens. Even the Korean news, newspaper spend way to much time concentrating that "netizens say this...netizens say that..." Netizens are losers with no lives who take out their anger on celebrities. People believe in rumors way too easily. Ivy should address this just for her image-sake and to other companies b/c he's going trying to defame her (I'm not sure what they do in Korea, but obviously in America you can sue and win for slander & it'll be over and done with), not because of some netizens who know nothing. Also the Korean entertainment is widely forgiving. Scandals such as Hyori for plagarism (which can kinda ruin ur entire career in America b/c u'll always live with that stigma), which I think is a thousand times worse than personal problems b/c it undermines ur credit as an artist, are never even mentioned anymore.

Netizens are fans and fans are who determines an artist's success or downfall, especially in a country like Korea where it is estimated that over 90% of the citizens have internet access. Also, you can't sue for slander/liable if what they said was true which basically Fantom confirmed indirectly by giving that ludicrous response at the press conference.

Korea, much like America, is all about appearances. It's not what you actually did, but what people THINK you did. Times are changing and people have been more forgiving, but between plagiarism and sex scandal? This is where the cultural difference between Korea and America are clearly evident. Folks in Korea are much more forgiving of the former. After all, Hyori never claimed that SHE wrote the song, she just sang what her record company gave her. They know how things go, that's just business and folks understand that.

Folks in Korea are not so forgiving on morality issues. Comedienne Lee Young Ja is becoming active in the entertainment world again now, but she couldn't appear on TV for almost 6 years for having lied about how she lost weight... she said she dieted and exercised, but later it was found out she also had lyposuction. Singer Yoo Seung Joon is still forbidden to ENTER Korea (since 2002) for getting a US citizenship to avoid going into the military. Heck, Sung Shi Kyung recently mentioned that while Yoo Seung Joon should be chastised by folks for his behavior, that he doesn't think a country should forbid entry to him and HE got attacked for just stating his opinion even though the whole thing happened 5 years ago. Koreans are very sensitive when it comes to a person's moral character, which is why Korean companies often have a morality clause in their contracts where you make less money if you become involved in a scandal... so this *could* affect Ivy's CF career.

Antis are antis, you can't do much about them. What is troublesome is what Ivy fans (and now Wheesung fans) think of her and their opinions seem to have taken a sharp turn from when the news first broke to now

[J.lee]

Here's a picture of the guy without the blurred face. His name is 유기안, Yoo Gi Ahn. (click thumbnail to enlarge)
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/310/3kjmgdhhj34fz8.th.jpg

OT:from the news today i saw that he was in the video of "It's Raining" by:Rain
He is the one who plays the Dj in the beginning of the video.
http://blog.naver.com/digerati/120018257721


He is a p$ycho!

I feel sorry for Ivy,hope she's ok.
Ivy is the victim here.

[2random4u]

Oh wow, she's an 83? So young O____O
I think Ivy is really really talented. She's pretty. She can sing and dance really well too. She's friends with many good singers
I'd like to see more of her in TV shows/games

she is 82 and 3 days older then me

[~lovelybelle~]

I'm really worry that all these rumours will effect her career, I mean this year she's one of the best female singer..she works hard for it. It is such a hurtful thing to see when she's on a top of her career, she has to deal with this kind of things.OMG, Fantom!!how could this company be so blunt..and those antis will ruin her career again...she should switch to another company that can protect her better after her contract ends.

[nGk2M]

i really do like ivy, i hope this doesn't affect her korea too much
gosh she was getting so popular too.. esp with her second album.
and yes, this reminded me instantly of what happened to bjy...
she had to take so many years off because of that.. but once she did comeback, she was a huge hit
hopefully netizens will calm down after a little while, and realize that ivy is human like everyone else too...

[damifino]

Netizens are guessing 'H' is Wheesung
There's a radio story to back this up. He spoke about seeing a girl and finding out she already had another guy. You can listen to it here: http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=ivy&a...2498&page=3

I finally got around to listening to Wheesung's interview on FM Inkigayo, but do you know when this interview took place? How recent was it?

I don't know if I should post the translation or not since the subject matter is... you know, but for those who are interested in what he said about the girl he dated (who might not even be Ivy) and can't understand Korean...
Wheesung never said a name, but he did say that he dated her for 8 months. He was totally in love with her, but he says she played him because all during that time she didn't even know his birthday which he thought was strange. As it turned out, she already had a boyfriend. She always wore a ring on her thumb which she told him her mother had given her. He later found out that the ring was given to her by her boyfriend. The way he found out was that her boyfriend called him and said that he saw Wheesung coming out of the girl's house. Wheesung said that even as they parted, he thanked her dating him because he never dated someone so beautiful. He went through a very difficult time afterwards. He said he totally regrets the time he spent with her because he said 8 months in your 20's is a lot and he could have done something else during the 8 months that he spent on her, like write 10 songs. He cut off all contact with her, didn't call her, see her, etc. after they parted and she didn't either except for one text message that said "I'm sorry for liking two people."

[bery1_16]

oh, this whole thing is blowing up...
hope ivy is ok...
i dunno how true is wheesung and ivy, but that psycho ex should really deserve a severe punishment...
i m almost certain that ivy is going to disappear for a long time, this is one big scandal that will just wipe off what she has achieved so far...
such a pity...
hopefully she can survive this...

[.:LaUrEn.:]

I finally got around to listening to Wheesung's interview on FM Inkigayo, but do you know when this interview took place? How recent was it?

I don't know if I should post the translation or not since the subject matter is... you know, but for those who are interested in what he said about the girl he dated (who might not even be Ivy) and can't understand Korean...

yeah i listened to this, and i think the reason why netizens are assuming it's ivy is because his story matches up with ivy's psycho ex's story. how he found out when he saw them leaving ivy's house, etc. but i HATE how netizens are assuming so much!!! they already have pictures up of ivy's thumb ring, and they're like SEEEE!!! it's gotta be ivy. and it's making me sooo sad seeing what they have to say about her on naver and daum. they're ALLLL assuming the worst, and they're already saying things like "wow i never knew ivy was such a #$%&@" and "i can't forgive ivy for this." and what's pissing me off even more is that from what i read, a lot of netizens are siding with the psycho ex!!! these netizens need to realize firstly that these are ALLL speculations. secondly, even if this is true, ivy is HUMAN!!! sure she's a celebrity, but more importantly, she's a 24-ish year old GIRL who makes mistakes and is just experiencing life. don't treat her like she killed someone for making a mistake. and who knows, this might all not be true... but anyways, i'm just hoping and praying that this doesn't affect her career. i mean, she's SO talented. and 2007 was hands down IVY's year. it just sucks that 2007 has to come to close with this scandal hanging over her head...

[legollama]

This really sucks for Ivy. I like her. >-< And now she has a lot of things ruined for her.

Being an entertainer is really hard. People know everything about you, a blurry picture can start a newspaper article, and you can't do so many normal things. I hope this all gets cleared up soon and she continues. Cause this really sucks.

[splotchydivinity]

Disappointed? Bummed? A smidgen, but not more than that.

I think...that while Korea is extremely stringent and traditional in its customs and beliefs about how people should behave in society, that this is one of the prime examples of having to adapt the social perception of people to special cases of extreme modernization/westernization as we see in cases of celebrities where the lives of celebrities are something "too" new for old conceptions of what a "proper" girl (or guy) should behave like.

I'm not saying that I condone cheating, if this is the case with IVY, because it is still immoral no matter where you go in the world or in whatever century of history you choose to look at, BUT, it is not like it has not existed in the world ever before. I don't care what part of human history you choose to look up, cheating on a spouse/lover has happened in all levels of society for all ages of people forever. It's a particularly harder hit today for celebrities because their lives do not belong to themselves, but rather the common people, such as the netizens in this case.

If I were to say for example an even more high profile case, such as the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal of the United States, talk about damaging career....But hey, Mrs. Clinton made a comeback and she's even on track as a forerunner to win her party's nomination as the candidate for the presidential race of 2008. As Suejin has already said, time will mend 99.9% of most wounds. Let's hope the remaining 0.01% of this scandal doesn't fester forever.

My other random thoughts: Ivy is extremely talented. Have you ever seen and heard this girl sing live? while dancing? It is amazing! It sounds exactly like the CD record. You only see that kind of talent in some of the best stars from out of Hollywood/the US music entertainment industry. Certainly not in Asia where a large number of stars will lipsynch, or even if they do sing live, crack or sound out of breath. I really hope that people don't turn on their backs for her based on a moral judgment of her character, even if the rumors do prove to be true, because talent like this doesn't come along often.

And I have a mini-rant about her entertainment management: What on earth are they doing to help protect her? NOTHING?!

[hurshey j]

yeah i listened to this, and i think the reason why netizens are assuming it's ivy is because his story matches up with ivy's psycho ex's story. how he found out when he saw them leaving ivy's house, etc. but i HATE how netizens are assuming so much!!! they already have pictures up of ivy's thumb ring, and they're like SEEEE!!! it's gotta be ivy. and it's making me sooo sad seeing what they have to say about her on naver and daum. they're ALLLL assuming the worst, and they're already saying things like "wow i never knew ivy was such a #$%&@" and "i can't forgive ivy for this." and what's pissing me off even more is that from what i read, a lot of netizens are siding with the psycho ex!!! these netizens need to realize firstly that these are ALLL speculations. secondly, even if this is true, ivy is HUMAN!!! sure she's a celebrity, but more importantly, she's a 24-ish year old GIRL who makes mistakes and is just experiencing life. don't treat her like she killed someone for making a mistake. and who knows, this might all not be true... but anyways, i'm just hoping and praying that this doesn't affect her career. i mean, she's SO talented. and 2007 was hands down IVY's year. it just sucks that 2007 has to come to close with this scandal hanging over her head...

eya, even though the ex said it was wheesung, there's a doubt in my mind.
only bc on that radio show, he said he doesn't keep in contact w/her anymore.

& if you guys aren't aware, he wrote ivy's temptation sonata song. & there was a thing how ivy & lyn (another person he wrote a song for) cried bc he wouldn't let them go use the restroom while they were recording their songs. & he talked about that on yoo jae suk & kim won hee's come play show.

[chiyo]

another reason why people believe it�s ivy wheesung is talking about, is because she�s really wearing that ring on her thumb all the time. apparently she also wore it on almost every private picture she posted on her cyworld (she deleted them now).

and now the ex is talking about wheesung too, so everything does make sense. it�s pretty obvious that wheesung and ivy had something going on, but there was a good reason why wheesung never named a name. it�s really ridiculous and sad that this yoo guy is dragging his private matters into publicity.







pictures from shenyue

[motoway065]

I opened the korean newspaper at home and the first page in the ent. section was ivy's scandal
Anyway, this was probably shared but from what I managed to understand:

Ivy's Current Condition:
Ivy didn't attend the press conference because she is shuttering in fright. At first she was going to attend, but she wasn't even in the condition to sit on a chair. Her boyfriend kept coming to her house so she moved(?) Ivy is currently not leaving her house and she is barely even talking, As of now, all activities are cancelled.

How Yoo blackmailed:
To Ivy, if she mentioned breakup, he would text her saying tomorrow you'll see blah blah video up on the internet. And to Ivy's sister, he texted I'm going to make her turn out like __ celebrity.

Ivy and Yoo realy loved each other in the past and they always visited each other's houses so their parents were aware of this relationship.

translations: me@ivylicious forums

[kellyngt]

oh my god...this is completely sucks >.<''
what the hell going on here?!
When this news was expose until now, i still can't believe what i had seen.
Its unacceptable, i really think that Ivy is innocent in this s*!* thing but there were 2 different news talking about her & many evidence showed that she cheated on Yoo and had dated Whee Sung.
One said that she was innocent and other said that she was bad...which one should i believe?!
...its really shock me...