[LucasBunny]

Now , it has been said many times that anime has been inspired by the style of Walt Disney.
Which I believe, I always thought that too.
But last year I majored in Graphic Design and took a course in the History of it was well as visiting an Anime Exhibit too learn more about it and told us all about the history behind it.
From the whole WW2 thing and on from there.
It's actually pretty easy to see, if you do enough research on it you will see that it was influenced by the west.
I'm not saying all the way, of course Japan turned it around.
But if you pay close attention to cartoons like Bambi, Aladdin, Lion King, Mickey Mouse even and then compare it to cartoons like Astro Boy and other animes you can see that there is a similarity.

People choose to believe that anime was in no way inspired by the west, but even cartoons from Australians like "Felix The Cat" you can tell that it had to do with the evolution of anime.

Of course you can seperate the two categories because anime is more action based, but as far as style goes
there was western influence and alot of credit goes to Walt Disney as far as I know.

Now this is not a competetion discussion as to why you think one genre is better than the other.

This is a discussion about Anime.

No one is saying that Walt Disney has 100% to do with anime but it has some influence as well as other countries.

Does anyone read Archie Comics??
They have been around in the 40s , look at there animation as well and you will see a connection.

[heygingersnap]

interesting.
i don't know if it really matters, though, because the term "anime" clearly
refers to japanese style of animation. maybe it was influenced by walt
disney, maybe not.

but it's gotten REALLY huge everywhere because of japan.

[Tetra]

It may have influence, but japanese artists have added many more elements to it so it differs from normal american cartoons.

Cartoons generally have no storyline, or continuing plot. Anime does.
Influence/inspiration is one thing, the end product is another. We can all agree the america came up with the first computer and TV, but obviously some countries have taken the idea and made it better.

[knockblock]

Can it be other stuff besides Walt Disney? And shows that took some ideas from american stuff?

[LucasBunny]

It may have influence, but japanese artists have added many more elements to it so it differs from normal american cartoons.

Cartoons generally have no storyline, or continuing plot. Anime does.
Influence/inspiration is one thing, the end product is another. We can all agree the america came up with the first computer and TV, but obviously some countries have taken the idea and made it better.

Did anyone say that it didnt add more elements??

and um there are plenty of western cartoons with storylines, I can name a ton.

Can it be other stuff besides Walt Disney? And shows that took some ideas from american stuff?

[Nightmare]

But if you pay close attention to cartoons like Bambi, Aladdin, Lion King, Mickey Mouse even and then compare it to cartoons like Astro Boy and other animes you can see that there is a similarity.

I'm sorry, but those were bad choices to compare since they're both more later works of Disney, and anime was already in action. Besides, Lion King was taken from an original Japanese anime called Kimba the White Lion.

Yeah, Disney's cartoons influence Japan, but as it was already stated, Japan took it to a higher level: anime.

[LucasBunny]

I'm sorry, but those were bad choices to compare since they're both more later works of Disney, and anime was already in action. Besides, Lion King was taken from an original Japanese anime called Kimba the White Lion.

Yeah, Disney's cartoons influence Japan, but as it was already stated, Japan took it to a higher level: anime.

No one is saying that Anime didnt take it to a higher level or whatever, I'm saying that there was inspiration that's all.

People believe that the west had 0 influence in anime.
All I'm saying is that it did.

And so what if the Lion King was adapted from an anime, what about other things
even if those were later works look at the early ones, Alice in Wonderland, Lady and the Tramp,
even Snow White also the ones you didnt bold.

But IMO I don't think that anime is higher than western cartoons nor beneath it.
There are good animes and bad animes just as there are good western toons and bads

but that's not what this is about.

[the Human Hosepipe]

It may have influence, but japanese artists have added many more elements to it so it differs from normal american cartoons.

Cartoons generally have no storyline, or continuing plot. Anime does.
Influence/inspiration is one thing, the end product is another. We can all agree the america came up with the first computer and TV, but obviously some countries have taken the idea and made it better.

And other countries from Europe had influence in the uprising of anime.
Also, in anime, their theme/ending songs are important, while in other sorts of cartoons, they aren't. American cartoons and stuff just have a bunch of music, while for anime the song somehow relates to the story. >__>

Cartoons generally have no storyline, or continuing plot. Anime does.

[Nightmare]

No one is saying that Anime didnt take it to a higher level or whatever, I'm saying that there was inspiration that's all.

But IMO I don't think that anime is higher than western cartoons nor beneath it.
There are good animes and bad animes just as there are good western toons and bads

When I say Japan had taken it to another higher level, I'm just saying Japan has taken it to higher level. I'm not responding out of disagreement or backlash over such blasphemy.

As for higher level, I mean by how Japanese anime has expanded into something that Disney couldn't evolved from. The style of drawing is unique and quite their own to claim. The themes, genres, and audiences are much more in vareity. Even the west, now, are influenced by Japanese animation - look at the Matrix.

And so what if the Lion King was adapted from an anime, what about other things
even if those were later works look at the early ones, Alice in Wonderland, Lady and the Tramp,
even Snow White also the ones you didnt bold.

That's because you didn't mentioned them. I was just trying to state that you chose two bad Disney titles to claim influences on the development of Japanese animation since they were later works.


I don't know why you feel like I'm disagreeing with you or that I'm insulted by your post, because I do agree with you that earlier on in Japanese animation, the west influence Japan's anime.

[Tetra]

Did anyone say that it didnt add more elements??

and um there are plenty of western cartoons with storylines, I can name a ton.

Did anyone say it?
Stop acting as if everything is meant to contradict you.

I'm just pointing out the facts, just like nightmare had done.

And please, name some
I'd like to know which cartoons actually have storylines that are spread across several episodes.
Unless you're going to name some random cartoon movie and say there's a storyline

[LucasBunny]

Did anyone say it?
Stop acting as if everything is meant to contradict you.

I'm just pointing out the facts, just like nightmare had done.

And please, name some
I'd like to know which cartoons actually have storylines that are spread across several episodes.
Unless you're going to name some random cartoon movie and say there's a storyline

You said it!

No movies, I can name Recess, GI Joe (old one), Sabrina the animated series, As told by Ginger,
Jem and the Holograms, Totally Spies, X-men, so many more in fact these cartoons have various storylines, but people just don't notice.

Now I bet he'll say I'm wrong

Nightmare I don't feel like your disagreeing though.

[Tetra]

Wait, how do half of those have storylines? o_O

I can understand x-men, but..the others are just random.

[LucasBunny]

No there not!

Recess is about 6 best friends and there follies in elementary school
but people would just think of it as random but there is a point to the cartoon.

Have u even seen Jem and the Holograms??

[Tetra]

Ya, I watched 3 episodes and they had no relation whatsoever besides characters

You kind of need more than just characters (and settings) for a storyline.

So what's the point to recess?

[the Human Hosepipe]

No there not!

Recess is about 6 best friends and there follies in elementary school
but people would just think of it as random but there is a point to the cartoon.

Have u even seen Jem and the Holograms??

xp Those shows don't count.
That's the layout of the story; anything can happen there. It features kids and what happens during their recess, duh.

With storylines, there's a whole background and a point. Every episode explains something new or how the character got to what point in their life, how they're going to find out what they're trying to achieve, etc. Every episode ties to each other and so does the ending.

[LucasBunny]

xp Those shows don't count.
That's the layout of the story; anything can happen there. It features kids and what happens during their recess, duh.

With storylines, there's a whole background and a point. Every episode explains something new or how the character got to what point in their life, how they're going to find out what they're trying to achieve, etc. Every episode ties to each other and so does the ending.

Why don't they?

Tetra said they have no story, he is wrong.
There is a point and the episodes do tie together in someway, I've watched like every episode, own the movie,
and the other parts to the series I'm like an expert on that cartoon.

It may not be as deep as the anime series, but there is still a connection between the episodes.

Now if you say a cartoon like animaniacs or Tiny Toons that's different.

I can say that anime goes into more details with there stories, but it's not fair to say non animes don't have storys whatsoever and are just random.
And what about Kim Possible? and Proud Family? and Jake Long?? they have steady stories, steady enough atleast.

And as for Jem, that cartoon is about a rockstar group and it shows there fame and scandals, you have to watch it to understand.

[Tetra]

You know, some of the stuff is actually japanese...
I've seen a lot of crap-quality japanese anime

[LucasBunny]

You know, some of the stuff is actually japanese...
I've seen a lot of crap-quality japanese anime

What stuff??

Of course there is crap anime.

But thas not what this is about is it?

[Tetra]

What stuff??

Of course there is crap anime.

But thas not what this is about is it?

Actually, some people think the crap-quality anime is actually american cartoons.

[the Human Hosepipe]

Why don't they?

Tetra said they have no story, he is wrong.
There is a point and the episodes do tie together in someway, I've watched like every episode, own the movie,
and the other parts to the series I'm like an expert on that cartoon.

It may not be as deep as the anime series, but there is still a connection between the episodes.

Now if you say a cartoon like animaniacs or Tiny Toons that's different.

I can say that anime goes into more details with there stories, but it's not fair to say non animes don't have storys whatsoever and are just random.
And what about Kim Possible? and Proud Family? and Jake Long?? they have steady stories, steady enough atleast.

And as for Jem, that cartoon is about a rockstar group and it shows there fame and scandals, you have to watch it to understand.

xp I don't watch ANY of those things you just mentioned.
A little bit of Animaniacs when I was way younger, and Kim Possible, hated Proud Family, don't care about Jake Long.

They don't have a steady story.
For example:
Kim Possible. It's about a teen being a secret agent with her best friend and a naked mole rat.
The animators just make different stories outta each episode. The only thing that ties into each of them is having the same villains, etc. The only time when they mention previous episodes, which they ALWAYS do with animes, is when they're just having another random episode where the characters are reminiscing.
Therefore, it does not have a storyline.

A story that has a storyline.
Example:
FullMetal Alchemist. Two brothers try to find their father after the tragic accident of the death of their mother and having their body parts/body taken away. They encounter the military, become part of it (well, mostly Ed), and with their help use alchemy to help in crime solving, battles, running away from a State Alchemist killer, etc. The characters involved even in one episode of the anime still ties into the ending with that whole homunculus and changing bodies issue. They find their father blah, then comes the movie, etc.

LucasBunny. Come on. Seriously. You're freaking 20 and you DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THESE THINGS?
=______="
Or supposedly 20.
God knows that any person would want to shoot themselves if they had your type of reasoning.