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#251 User is offline   ronmexico 

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 08:55 PM

QUOTE(Edward @ Oct 9 2006, 12:46 AM) View Post

Hi Ron, I really appreciate this thread, it is by far the most helpful one in the college students sub-forum. But, I have a good question for you, and I'm sure more than a few of us are in similar situations.

So, I'm currently a Sophomore at the UW, I have a 3.2 GPA exactly and I have 85 credits (5 shy of being Junior status). So, my goal is to get into the University of Washington Law School, except I have so many anxiety attacks because I feel like my GPA is so crappy. It used to be a 3.57 but I slacked off (you know how it goes) and it dived down to a 3.2 and I feel like I can't really do much in these next couple of years left in my Undergraduate education to bump that GPA up. So.. do people with 3.2 GPAs get into Law School frequently, especially the UW Law School? I'm guessing they don't, unless they have VERY high LSAT scores. I don't know if you know anything about the UW Law School, but it is my dream and I will completely die if I don't get admitted!

Cliche question but I'd appreciate it. Thank you for your time!


If you could get a 169 or so, you would probably have a pretty decent shot. You should be able to see UW's applicant grid here, although it's not especially helpful. You still have an entire year to get your GPA up, though, before you apply. There's no reason to feel like you're stuck with a 3.2. And there are plenty of law schools you could get into with a 3.2, especially if you do well on the LSAT.

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Oh and by the way, I'm an English Major, which I heard is a very very good major when applying to Law School. Any truth to this?


No. It's no better or worse than any other major.

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#252 User is offline   GONG! 

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 10:03 PM

I will be attending the UBC school of Law in the near future. Notice how I say 'WILL', not 'I might'. I am already saving up my bribe money.


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Posted 19 October 2006 - 12:29 AM

QUOTE(GONG! @ Oct 17 2006, 11:03 PM) View Post

I will be attending the UBC school of Law in the near future. Notice how I say 'WILL', not 'I might'. I am already saving up my bribe money.

LOL
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#254 User is offline   haewonx 

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 09:15 AM

I'd like to go to Law school and do something "corporate"- but that is so naïvely vague. My FATHER (hah) wants me to major in accounting (in ud college, yes I'm that FRESH :]), as do I. Will this open up a lot of options in law school, and what are potential fields of study?
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#255 User is offline   ronmexico 

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 11:39 AM

Majoring in accounting could be helpful if you want to go into tax law. That's probably the only real advantage it would give you. Generally, as I've said, it doesn't make a difference what you major in.
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:47 PM

So, I'm about to pay over a grand on Kaplan LSAT prep classes but I can't bring myself to press the button to complete the transaction. All of a sudden a million doubts are running through my mind. "Do I really want to go to law school?" If I take these LSAT classes I'm basically committing totally, to my parents at least, to becoming a lawyer. I'm also committing a decent amount of money, that could be spent on a lovely shopping spree, and a lot of time, four hours of my life every week for three and half months. My whole college career has been about making my resume/application to law school look the best.. countless internships, busting my ass double majoring in economics and political science, and trying my best to graduate on time. However, my GPA sucks and is only going to go down the drain after this semester because I've learned that I really am not a math person at all! What to do? I want to work as a lawyer in Hong Kong, finance or corporate, but that's hard if I don't get into a top 20 law school. Maybe I should just go to law school in Hong Kong? But even then I'd still need a decent GPA, CUHK requires a B, but they don't require LSAT scores. I really need a 4.0 next semester and I think it will happen.. I'm taking two gen-ed lit classes and three polisci classes, no math or econ!

So my GPA right now is actually bordering lining a 3.0 and will sink after this semester, math really isn't for me. But if all goes well I will graduate double majoring polisci and econ, a minor in Chinese, and a certificate in international relations. I've also done two semesters of internships, heavily on student activism, and I could get a MA state rep and a hott shot professor to write some recommendations to me. But I know law school is all about numbers, unless my parents hit the jack pot, and I basically have two more semesters to make my GPA all beautiful, unless I decide to not commit suicide and do a 5-year route instead. I did however score a 165 on my practice LSAT exam, somehow God enlightened me that Saturday morning and I pray God does again in June and for the rest of my school days.

Sorry for my little rant, I needed to get it out.

So my questions are..

- Will law schools look at individual grades or just concentrate on my overal and major GPA?
- Do internships count for anything or it really about about #s?
- Should I bother double majoring?
- Is there a big different between LSAT classroom and LSAT extreme? I wanted to take the $1800 (classroom + 5 hours tutoring) class but I can't find it online.
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 12:36 PM

I apologize for the naive question (because I am absolutely sure this question has been answered somewhere in this 13 page thread), but at what importance and value does law school place on a student's GPA and LSAT score, and what other aspect of a student's application does law school admission committees consider?

*tacking on after numerous of hours*

I'm currently an electronics engineer on the fence about law school (really on the fence.. my other two options are engineering graduate school or going into the industry). Do you have any clue about what it is like to be a patent attorney? What are the hours? workload? social web? etc? I think I've heard that doing patent law can be the equivalent of driving your head against the table 30 thousand times a day.

In an ideal world, I would love to work "part time" (from what I've heard-- I may be mistaken-- that is regarded as about 40 hours a week for attorneys). I definitely don't want to say that I wouldn't go into law if patent attorneys spend upwards to 70 hours a week, but I really would love to do other things in my life besides being a lawyer.

And just two more questions:

1. What is it like being a law student? What are your hours like?
2. What is the main differences between the education of a top 14 school and the rest?
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#258 User is offline   ronmexico 

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE(missxmoody @ Nov 28 2006, 09:47 PM) View Post

- Will law schools look at individual grades or just concentrate on my overal and major GPA?
- Do internships count for anything or it really about about #s?
- Should I bother double majoring?
- Is there a big different between LSAT classroom and LSAT extreme? I wanted to take the $1800 (classroom + 5 hours tutoring) class but I can't find it online.


They will look primarily at your overall GPA. They're not going to focus on individual grades unless you have some really terrible ones that stand out.

Internships really don't count for very much.

Double majoring probably won't help in admissions, and if you think it will hurt your GPA, it'll hurt your chances.

I honestly don't know how much the classroom courses are going to help you if you can already manage a 165 on the practice tests. I mean, that's not much lower than the score you need to *teach* the classes at some places. I've mentioned the Logic Games Bible and the prep tests before, and that was certainly what I found most effective.

QUOTE(TrungyBoi @ Nov 29 2006, 03:36 PM) View Post

I apologize for the naive question (because I am absolutely sure this question has been answered somewhere in this 13 page thread), but at what importance and value does law school place on a student's GPA and LSAT score, and what other aspect of a student's application does law school admission committees consider?

*tacking on after numerous of hours*

I'm currently an electronics engineer on the fence about law school (really on the fence.. my other two options are engineering graduate school or going into the industry). Do you have any clue about what it is like to be a patent attorney? What are the hours? workload? social web? etc? I think I've heard that doing patent law can be the equivalent of driving your head against the table 30 thousand times a day.

In an ideal world, I would love to work "part time" (from what I've heard-- I may be mistaken-- that is regarded as about 40 hours a week for attorneys). I definitely don't want to say that I wouldn't go into law if patent attorneys spend upwards to 70 hours a week, but I really would love to do other things in my life besides being a lawyer.

And just two more questions:

1. What is it like being a law student? What are your hours like?
2. What is the main differences between the education of a top 14 school and the rest?


Your LSAT (first) and your GPA (second, except at a handful of schools) are going to be the most important aspects of your application by far. After that, your personal statement might make a difference. If you have significant work experience (full-time, not a campus job or something), that could certainly help. Beyond that, unless there is something really exceptional in your record, the schools probably won't put too much weight on anything.

Being a law student is what you make of it. You can be insane and work 100 hours a week, make a 200-page outline for each course and take each practice exam five times. Or you can skim the casebook, study from a commercial outline and skip most of your classes. It's up to you.

I don't think there's a big difference in the "education" you get at a top 14 compared to anywhere else. The schools all have roughly the same curriculum. The major difference is in your job prospects, especially in terms of where you can get a job. As I've said, the top 14 are more "national" schools, which means the name carries further and you're not limited to the local market. The atmosphere is also probably different for much the same reason; you don't need to be in the very top of your class to get a good job, so there is less competition and pressure.

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 01:12 PM

I know you're sort of mentioned this but i wanted to specify something. i am currently double majoring in two of the hardest majors at my college. i've been able to maintain about a 3.7 - 3.8 (after this semester), and i will be graduating in three years. i know you said that double majoring won't help...but will the fact that i was able to maintain a high gpa in both of my majors and the fact that i will be finishing them both in three yeras give me any boost?

thanks...appreciate it smile.gif
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 02:55 PM

^^
No
Then theres the gray area
But you need a really high LSat score
And a decent gpa
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Posted 21 December 2006 - 04:55 PM

I figure this be the place to ask this question.

Do you need to graduate from college as an undergrad to go to Law School? Like to get into the law program at Columbia University. Is Law School a graduate school thingy so you would need to graduate and get a degree from a college then apply to go? is that the process?

and thanks. From what i have read in here the information is very useful.
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#262 User is offline   ronmexico 

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 09:17 PM

Yes, it's a graduate program, so you need a college degree. A lot of people apply as college seniors, but you need to graduate to enroll in law school.
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Posted 22 December 2006 - 11:33 PM

QUOTE(ronmexico @ Dec 22 2006, 12:17 AM) View Post
Yes, it's a graduate program, so you need a college degree. A lot of people apply as college seniors, but you need to graduate to enroll in law school.


if i remember correctly from the other pages...ron, u go to comlubia? is thier any fast pace program so you can get into it earlier? or any fast track program for law thier?
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Posted 22 December 2006 - 11:46 PM

Nope, not that I know of. Certainly not at Columbia. There are a few six-year programs, but almost nobody does them.
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Posted 23 December 2006 - 12:08 AM

can you tell me more of this 6 year program? i want to call the school...but its kinda nerve racking.
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#266 User is offline   ronmexico 

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 12:04 PM

Columbia doesn't really have one. They supposedly have agreements with several schools to admit maybe one or two students as juniors each year, but almost nobody does this. Like I said, it's pretty much going to take 7 years unless you graduate college early.
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Posted 24 December 2006 - 06:51 PM

How'd you know you wanted to go to law school and become a lawyer? For the status symbol? the high income?
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 09:24 PM

Wow, you're really amazing for doing all of this for us in addition to getting into COLUMBIA..freaking genius T___T

Anyways, I'm currently a Junior in HS, and am planning on taking some summer courses at Stanford, but I can't decide on exactly which courses to take, but I do know for sure that I want them to be a little something extra for me to put on my college resume, which will soon help me get into 1 of the top 14.

Here are the classes they offer: http://summer.stanford.edu/highschool/curriculum.asp

I'm planning on some polisci, history, econ, or philosophy classes (as you've mentioned in a previous post), but under those categories are a number of classes, and I can't decide on which ones to take. Could you please help me decide, taking into consideration which of the offered classes would look most impressive on my college and law school applications?

Thank you so much! And I'm sorry if I'm taking up too much of your time ><
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Posted 02 January 2007 - 09:40 PM

Whichever classes you take in those subjects will be fine. You don't need to worry too much about course selection, especially for a summer course before you're in college. Schools are going to be more concerned with your GPA than with the courses you took. Personally, if it were my choice, I would take the Logic, Reasoning & Argumentation class, but that's just because I never got around to taking a class like that in college. But you should just pick whatever you like best. smile.gif
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Posted 04 January 2007 - 07:20 PM

do you have any advice on improving the LR section? i went through the LRB several times, but i still consistently miss 4 or 5 per section. it's mostly assumption questions that i miss. if you remember any strategies, please advise.
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