[Smelly Tofu]

Wah I saw some of Jang ri in's basher at the beginning of the thread already...my comments, she has great potential...but sm are such dicks, they shouldn't have labelled her 'Chinese boA' it would cause controversial issues between fans...and yeah made her like a shadow...SM surely has the woreset idea to start her off...

overall she's great, i like, hopfully I'll like her more in the future...lol when was she born??...as in what months and days...

[yongwonhi]

yeah, i don't really care about the surgery thing, but her nose definitely looks different.

thanks for the part 2 mv thing... but all i see is cars and people and guns. haha. :X

[eiskaffee]

thanks for the clips ~~~~~~~~~~~~
can't wait to see their perf.on music wave.

[KuYA II]

yay!! music wave clip perf ^^

the performance is really good and i can hear from the clip that she is improving slowly ^^

[idealise]

The Music Wave performance was still kind of painful. >_< But then that was before her most recent Inkigayo performance, so it's expected.

[Ceres]

her voice is great! I enjoyed watching her perfs with Xiah, but he obviously has more experience/control over his voice... his notes were much more pleasing to the ear... Jang Ri In needs to control her voice... and she seems very nervous live... she nailed some of her really high notes quite well, but it's always the last two "Timeless" notes that she messes up on- either screams or goes heavily off-key! I hope she can nail her Timeless performances lol but of course Xiah sounds better during live, he has more experience and she gets all the hard, super high notes lol I hope she can get those high notes in her performances later on

[miss':bella]

I dont find her that great at all. ㅡㅡ;;

[DejaWu]

my random thoughts on the two current topics of jang ri in:

re: take 7
hmmm. i'm not sure to what or to whom the 'suspicions' are referring. if they are referring to lee soo man, then i'm not surprised. lee soo man had investigations surrounding him years ago concerning shady dealings between his company and other big companies in regards to the promotion of his artists. basically, it was thought that lee soo man paid big money (which is illegal) under the table to get his artists on more tv shows and to gain more airplay. amount of airplay dedicated to each artist is supposed to be dependent on ONLY listeners' requests. honestly, i think lee soo man has done several of these under-the-table-dealings. he seriously does an EXTRAORDINARY job of promoting his artists -- they're seriously like EVERYWHERE (super junior, tvxq, boa). promotion is one of the biggest factors in determining the sink or swim of celebs -- amazing performers with inadequate advertising are NOT going to get anywhere; average performers can make a solid name for themselves with the help of good publicity. it's funny how the public is always suspicious of lee soo man, yet he remains the top dog in the music industry. he obviously has a talent for creating lovable artists that young girls cannot seem to keep themselves from obsessing over. and that is his key to success.
so, with all that said -- i'm not surprised that jang ri in always lands near the top in charts. though it's true that she is a less than stellar performer (for whatever reasons anyone wants to conjure up), she is a prodigy of sm entertainment and that is why she is where she is at today. there's so much talk about this girl since she has the title of being the 'chinese boa.' this is clearly an advertising technique to incite the curiosity of those who are avid fans of k-pop. her biography on her official website uses such elevated statements such as '...she has developed breathing with a diverse range of music,' 'blossoming her talents...,' 'reborn as an attractive r&b singer,' '...extends over all the kinds of dances with her natural flexibility and a sense of rhythm' -- there's more, but too much for me to type... the first time i read it, i got the impression that she was some phenomenal 16-year-old blessed with godsent talents in every area of the performing arts. whoever wrote it makes me wanna gag with their misleading exaggeration. [on a side note, i would looove to see her play the violin since she supposedly received the best grade when she was in middle school.]
but anyway, i don't really doubt the statistics that pushed her into take 7. any sm follower has surely heard and downloaded 'timeless'; any jang ri in fan has probably seen all her pictures and searched for her info online. she has so much support from her fans. i think she has a strong fan base -- i would say even PRIOR to her debut, she had acquired many fans. i guess we'll see where she goes from here.

re: plastic surgery
i think this is a big issue in the korean entertainment industry. i feel like every new celeb (especially female) that comes out gets questioned with this topic. if i just looked at jang ri in without looking at any before pictures, i would think she's natural. as for all those before pictures floating online, i actually doubt the credibility of those. she really does not look like those before pictures; i think it might be another chinese sm trainee. there's only been one picture (taken from the korean celeb photos area of soompi) that i've seen that i think is her (on the right):

if that's her, her face has slimmed down a 'lil, losin' the baby chub. the rest of her features look about the same. i'm just guessin' that's her, but who knows.
i think sm trainees have a reputation for undergoing plastic surgery. but i personally don't believe that. i think sm chooses ppl who are good-looking to begin with -- if you audition for sm, they highly discourage makeup because they want to see how you really look. sm has good stylists -- they can transform ppl.

[~neh~long~]

IMO. i don't mind if she DID have something done to her face... but i really doubt she did...
ah! excited about music wave perf!! ><

[Cheeseburgerplease]

my random thoughts on the two current topics of jang ri in:

re: take 7
hmmm. i'm not sure to what or to whom the 'suspicions' are referring. if they are referring to lee soo man, then i'm not surprised. lee soo man had investigations surrounding him years ago concerning shady dealings between his company and other big companies in regards to the promotion of his artists. basically, it was thought that lee soo man paid big money (which is illegal) under the table to get his artists on more tv shows and to gain more airplay. amount of airplay dedicated to each artist is supposed to be dependent on ONLY listeners' requests. honestly, i think lee soo man has done several of these under-the-table-dealings. he seriously does an EXTRAORDINARY job of promoting his artists -- they're seriously like EVERYWHERE (super junior, tvxq, boa). promotion is one of the biggest factors in determining the sink or swim of celebs -- amazing performers with inadequate advertising are NOT going to get anywhere; average performers can make a solid name for themselves with the help of good publicity. it's funny how the public is always suspicious of lee soo man, yet he remains the top dog in the music industry. he obviously has a talent for creating lovable artists that young girls cannot seem to keep themselves from obsessing over. and that is his key to success.
so, with all that said -- i'm not surprised that jang ri in always lands near the top in charts. though it's true that she is a less than stellar performer (for whatever reasons anyone wants to conjure up), she is a prodigy of sm entertainment and that is why she is where she is at today. there's so much talk about this girl since she has the title of being the 'chinese boa.' this is clearly an advertising technique to incite the curiosity of those who are avid fans of k-pop. her biography on her official website uses such elevated statements such as '...she has developed breathing with a diverse range of music,' 'blossoming her talents...,' 'reborn as an attractive r&b singer,' '...extends over all the kinds of dances with her natural flexibility and a sense of rhythm' -- there's more, but too much for me to type... the first time i read it, i got the impression that she was some phenomenal 16-year-old blessed with godsent talents in every area of the performing arts. whoever wrote it makes me wanna gag with their misleading exaggeration. [on a side note, i would looove to see her play the violin since she supposedly received the best grade when she was in middle school.]
but anyway, i don't really doubt the statistics that pushed her into take 7. any sm follower has surely heard and downloaded 'timeless'; any jang ri in fan has probably seen all her pictures and searched for her info online. she has so much support from her fans. i think she has a strong fan base -- i would say even PRIOR to her debut, she had acquired many fans. i guess we'll see where she goes from here.

re: plastic surgery
i think this is a big issue in the korean entertainment industry. i feel like every new celeb (especially female) that comes out gets questioned with this topic. if i just looked at jang ri in without looking at any before pictures, i would think she's natural. as for all those before pictures floating online, i actually doubt the credibility of those. she really does not look like those before pictures; i think it might be another chinese sm trainee. there's only been one picture (taken from the korean celeb photos area of soompi) that i've seen that i think is her (on the right):

if that's her, her face has slimmed down a 'lil, losin' the baby chub. the rest of her features look about the same. i'm just guessin' that's her, but who knows.
i think sm trainees have a reputation for undergoing plastic surgery. but i personally don't believe that. i think sm chooses ppl who are good-looking to begin with -- if you audition for sm, they highly discourage makeup because they want to see how you really look. sm has good stylists -- they can transform ppl.

lol that picture isnt jang ri in.. but i gotta say they look alike .. that girl is another trainne from SM. she's a year younger than jang.. she's also a model.. and rumor to be in the girl band super girls

[KuYA II]

I dont find her that great at all. ㅡㅡ;;

really? then I don't find sunmin that great at all too ^____^

my opinion =P


anywho, zhang li yin is improving really well in her performances and i'm sure she will definitely nail all the high notes and whatnot.

zhang li yin fighting!! ^^

[Cloud]

i decided after watching and hearing many rehearsals and performances, that "Timeless" is just a hard song for her to sing...
and while recording, SM did sort of fix it up for her a lot.

but I have a feeling that she'll sing 'Y' really well.
and I was listening to her sing "Miduhyo" even though it was like barely 10 seconds...
she sang it really well.

so yeah..

and it's so obvious that she did not have plastic surgery...

also the TAKE 7 thing,
she has a good song that's been out long before she performed it,
JUNSU is part of the song
and SUJU.
like everyone said.

anyway that's all.

[mandi_]

^Where can i see her sing miduhyo??


I dont think this has been posted, sorry if it has. I found it interesting, it explains why Jang Ri In has only been performing on SBS and MBC.

Zhang Li Yin signed only to SBS & MBC

In the "DICON 2006 Entertainment Industry International Conference" held in Seoul on the 18th, Lee Soo Man, director of SM Entertainment, gave a one-hour talk in the section "The Strategy to Boost Earnings in the Entertainment Industry", with his topic being "The Present and Future of Korean Entertainment".

According to Lee Soo Man, the first Korean wave exported the best of Korean products, including H.O.T., BoA, the movie "Swiri", the drama serial "Dae Jang Geum". The second Korean wave concentrated on joint projects with other countries, including KangTa&Vanness, Super Junior, and the movies "Battle of Wits" (Super Junior's Shiwon acts in this) and "The Promise". Korea is now at the second stage of the Korean wave, and will be moving into the third Korean wave, the representative of which is Zhang Li Yin, a Chinese singer who is debuting in Korea.

Currently, HanKyung (from Super Junior) and Zhang Li Yin both carry out activities while holding E-6 (entertainment industry) passports. Foreign artistes carrying out promotional activities have limitations in terms of location and other factors. HanKyung's passport only allows him to work under SBS and KBS, while Zhang Li Yin's allows her to work only with SBS and MBC.

credits: chii @ http://timeless.cjb.net/

[idealise]

DejaWu: Nope, that's not her. I think it's Stella Kim? One of the rumoured Super Girls, like Cheeseburgerplease said.

I dont find her that great at all. ㅡㅡ;;

I'm still kind of disappointed with her lives, but I'm still waiting for her to move on beyond Timeless. I think the studio enhanced her voice WAY too much on that song. And even for her lives, they're using backup vocals to support her on the highest note, I think.

[sundubu <3]

you know i didn't think she did too great on her first 2 live performances like most people but after i realized it was the same song justin and kelly sang before, i went on youtube and looked for their live version. Timeless is actually a pretty hard song to sing... if you listen to kelly sing it, her high notes are kinda like the way ri in sings hers... it's a little shaky, a little sharp and not entirely pleasing to the ear. Of course, kelly is still the better singer but yeah, i think jang ri in is doing well enough for her debut. when she gains enough experience in front of an audience and isn't as nervous/stiff anymore, i'm sure she'll blow everyone's mind away with her singing.

[Cloud]

^ wow is that true?
i had no idea that passports had those kinds of limitations..
that is SOOO weird and bizarre... (well at least to me)
i can't imagine why it's those companies and why it's different for the two of them...

and her singing miduhyo... hm...
http://guestms.cafe24.com/zboard/zboard.ph...sc&no=50700

http://blog.naver.com/lovelyyhjj/28698385
^ I think you can hear it better here. it's the fourth one down.
and it's around 1:20 ish

[xkiseki]

newbie zhang liyin is horrible live.... but hey, whow ouldn't be nervous. 16 years old, debuting in a foreign country singing in a foreign tongue. and there's been so much hype about her, she must be scared witness right now plus i'm sure she knew that having junsu by her side, he would probably end up stealing most of the spotlight (from the females) even if he's mainly only there to sing back up. (like seriously, listen to the song, she's louder than him the entire time).

poor girl. i'm sure she'll get better sining live

[yongwonhi]

idealise: I think Stella's the one in the middle left. x_X

That isn't ZLY on the right? I always thought it was her haha.

[suejin115]

OMG. i heard her sing miduhyo and even though it was short, she was REALLY good.

[damifino]

The shakiness one could pass off as being nervous and even being a bit off tune one could pass off as it being really noisy on stage with the music and fans and her not being used to having a earpiece to keep in tune, but the fact that she has a hard time hitting certain notes? She's like that on the MP3 also although not as badly. There are a couple of times in the MP3 version of the song that make me cringe from her straining her voice. I think the song just isn't within her natural range. She isn't a horrible singer or anything, but her voice just isn't that impressive to me. I've actually never heard BoA sing, but I know that she's famous and maybe the overly hyped comparison made many people expect too much from Jang Ri In at such a young age. I'm sure with a better selection of songs within her vocal range and more stage experience she'll do fine because right now, not only isn't she hitting the right notes, her stage presence is practically nil. She seems so stiff on stage.